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sovereign47
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I don't know if there was topic about this before and currently I'm not in the mood for searching it, but I would like to know why there is no option for (long) curly hair. Thanks to this I can't make one of my boffs to look like Sikozu from Farscape and while I'm really close to it, it's just not her without long curly/wavy hair 
So I would appreciate if devs would give us that option in the closer future
So I would appreciate if devs would give us that option in the closer future
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Really? That has to be one of the most stupid and idiotic posts I have ever read. Very troll worthy.
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Maybe you could go for her Peacekeeper wars look? http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/farscape/images/b/ba/Sikozu2.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20090519061511 ? Maybe not I don't know
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Well it certainly don't seem that hard to me. I mean besides everything else that already can be done, this seems like some minor problem, but I'm not much into 3D rendering so I could be wrong of course. However I do hope they'll introduce that option in the (closer) future.
Nah, I'm not quite fond of that look. She's much better with long wavy hair as seen in show
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Anyways... I believe you Taco. Perhaps with some experimentation a solution can be discovered. Whoever did the elegant hair did a pretty good job.
Alternatively, you could make curls in "paint" and use a large hair piece.. may result in not looking good.
I've not seen many characters with curls in other games, and the ones that do usually due to the characters that appear in other media.
Actress Alex Kingston has similar curls as seen in ER and Doctor Who. As her Doctor Who Character River Song appeared in Doctor Who: The Eternity Clock, the Devs at Supermassive Games tied her hair back. Check Steam or PSN if you want more info. (There was a ER game, it was released after Kingston's character left.)
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Can you imagine the lag a bunch of naked hairy toons in one instance would create!!
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Creating pre-rendered, predetermined hair that moves and looks naturally is challenging enough--and that's when you have full control over the artistic pipeline and have the freedom to go back and tweak the rigging or make frame-by-frame adjustments if necessary, and take as much time rendering as needed.
To make it an option in a video game, you generally have to build that into the game engine to begin with, and it needs to be designed so that it can do all of the above procedurally in realtime. This is extremely computationally expensive, to say nothing of the man hours that go into developing it.
It is not impossible--honestly, Japanese video game makers tend to put a lot more emphasis on natural-looking hair movement on their characters and manage it quite well--but it is also not free. The performance impact tends to scale exponentially when you have a lot of characters on-screen at once--say, social zones.
I'm a big fan of natural-looking hair on my characters, and I'd still probably turn off that graphics option in an MMO for performance reasons.
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In other words, exactly what I wrote. Priority is not given to representation of curly-haired people. It's not considered an important enough problem to solve, or at least live up to the old maxim that anything worth doing is worth doing badly.
Taco just corroborated what I wrote, except he said it isn't racist to not consider unequal representation a problem.
No one asked for flowing locks. More curly texture on static lumps was requested, just like you already do for the New Style Elegant on females, the unisex short Afro, and the various Klingon dreads. But equal representation isn't considered important, and that is the issue at hand.
And then a skyrim modder did it by himself. This is just a beta version before it was finished. It looks a lot better now.
So explain why a professional development team can't outdo a modder.
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This is so easy to explain, even I can do it.
Modders have effectively unlimited time and the ability to focus on doing one single thing and doing it right. The modder in question intentionally and specifically set out to do one thing - curly hair. No timetable, no budget constraints (or budget at all) to worry about, no bosses to worry about, and only as many other projects as they want to tackle.
A professional game company has none of those luxuries. Budget constraints, set time frames to work on things, other projects that need doing, bosses breathing down their necks... it's a completely different ball game. Not to mention the potential problems all that animation and texture and mesh work would have on a multiplayer game - something you don't have to worry about with a single-player experience like Skyrim. Slowdown everywhere. Hell, I'm curious to see how Skyrim would cope with 100 or so Merida-haired NPC's in, say, Whiterun, which I don't think is much smaller in total than ESD... Somehow I doubt it'd be pretty without a monster rig.
If given carte blanche, curly physics'd hair would be totally doable for STO's character artists and animators, but it's just not practical given the realities of company work and of how MMO's work.
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Typical reactionary. You talk around the cause of the oppression of curly-haired people in order to pretend the "realities of company work" are not decided by management in the first place. That is the issue being discussed: unnecessary systemic inequality by design. That is, the management does not deem it worth company time and money to equally represent all of humanity in their game. It took ages for proper African and east Asian complexion and facial features, even though Star Trek had African and Asian main characters from the beginning. Star Trek is, in fact, THE preeminent world pioneer of race and gender equality activism in a television franchise, especially in the United States. Curly-haired people want to be represented too. It's the last acceptable prejudice in game culture, even beyond blatant ubiquitous misogyny, and it's behavior unworthy of Star Trek.
I repeat, no one asked for animated hair. That was something injected into the conversation to muddle the issue. sovereign47 asked for curly hair that is static like all the other hair types currently in the game. They already have static Klingon dreads. Just add bangs and unlock it for all species to have long curly hair in STO. Obviously. :mad:
We, the curly-haired of the Earth, deserve much better in the context of a Star Trek game. The idea that anything Star Trek would exclude a vast amount of human types, and even go so far as to introduce new aliens first, proves that the dev bosses are likely straight-haired people who don't know what it's like to be curly-haired, and evidently must not care. This isn't the world Gene envisioned.