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Overwhelming force question

ryakidrysryakidrys Member Posts: 830 Arc User
edited March 2015 in Klingon Discussion
I picked up the Sar Theln. I already had the mastery trait from the Mat'Ha, overwhelming force. It supposedly adds a photonic shockwave to beam overload strikes and torp high yields too. Well, I put a bunch of beam arrays on the carrier, and wanted to see what happens with Beam Overload 3.
I didn't notice graphics for shockwaves with the BO hits, and didn't see anything in the CLR parse for it either.
Is overwhelming force only avaiable on the Mat'ha or is it useable with other ships but is bugged right now?

Thanks for your input.
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  • omega6theta1omega6theta1 Member Posts: 130 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    I just did an argala patrol and the Over-force is working... there is a visual to it that looks like an expanding red halo....do you have it active in your starship traits? sometimes the traits get unselected randomly is the reason i'm asking.

    Also i did it the patrol using the new elachi ship so the O-force in not limited to the Mat'ha.
  • ryakidrysryakidrys Member Posts: 830 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Ah, I see the little halos. Thanks for pointing it out to me.
  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,887 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Personally I've been curious if OF procs from the beam overload proc from the crafting/upgrading system.
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  • gulremalgulremal Member Posts: 153 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    It doesn't add photonic shockwave to BO but charged particle burst. Photonic shockwave is added to Torpedo High Yield.

    I used it with both BO and THY on my Mah'ta build, and tbh ability is so underwhelming despite it's name. Never really noticed any real effect on the enemies, both PvE or PvP. I guess you have to specialize heavily in skills that boost effectiveness of those abilities. Heck even with maxed flow caps, that shield drain from CPB is whateva.
  • omega6theta1omega6theta1 Member Posts: 130 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    lianthelia wrote: »
    Personally I've been curious if OF procs from the beam overload proc from the crafting/upgrading system.

    Yes, the BO Proc from the weapon does in fact cause the O-force to proc as well....

    Gulremal, I totally agree with you... As a PVE person I really do not see any effect on the enemy that gets hit, well except for the explosion that looks pretty cool. Isn't the charged particle burst supposed to affect shields?
  • atlantraatlantra Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    omega6theta1 wrote: »
    Yes, the BO Proc from the weapon does in fact cause the O-force to proc as well....

    Gulremal, I totally agree with you... As a PVE person I really do not see any effect on the enemy that gets hit, well except for the explosion that looks pretty cool. Isn't the charged particle burst supposed to affect shields?

    http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1264391&highlight=overwhelming

    I hope it don't get ignored forever... I'm sure if it was a federation trait it would have been fixed by now.
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  • eradicator84eradicator84 Member Posts: 1,116 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    O-Force works.

    Slot scorpion fighters and watch as every single torp creates a shockwave. Gets crazy when a heap of torps are wandering around looking for new targets.

    They clump up and if they all hit at once can knock an NPC ship a clear 10km away from it's initial position.

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  • r5e4w3q2r5e4w3q2 Member Posts: 341 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    ryakidrys wrote: »
    I picked up the Sar Theln. I already had the mastery trait from the Mat'Ha, overwhelming force. It supposedly adds a photonic shockwave to beam overload strikes and torp high yields too. Well, I put a bunch of beam arrays on the carrier, and wanted to see what happens with Beam Overload 3.
    I didn't notice graphics for shockwaves with the BO hits, and didn't see anything in the CLR parse for it either.
    Is overwhelming force only avaiable on the Mat'ha or is it useable with other ships but is bugged right now?

    Thanks for your input.

    If I am remembering correctly, it will not show up in any damage parser because the BO Particle Burst is classified as a drain not as damage, so the damage parsers don't count it.
  • ryakidrysryakidrys Member Posts: 830 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    r5e4w3q2 wrote: »
    If I am remembering correctly, it will not show up in any damage parser because the BO Particle Burst is classified as a drain not as damage, so the damage parsers don't count it.

    That's why I asked the question. I was looking for clarification on the trait's effect with beam weapons. I was expecting to see something like kinetic damage effect in the parse but I had the wrong effect in mind. The actual effect with beams is a drain and drains won't show in the combat log parses.
    On the pluse side, I'm using it with dominion polaron beam arrays, high flow caps skill and a couple of flow capacitor consoles too, so I should have some good shield drains periodically.

    I was originally interested in setting up a transphasic mine/ torpedo build using 2-piece KHG and 2-piece breen using the new warp core, but I had a beam setup I was able to easily transfer over from another ship without retraining any bridge officers so I thought I'd start there since the carrier has subsystem targeting too.

    Thank you, everyone, for all the information.
  • atlantraatlantra Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    The Trait's Beam overload mechanic doesn't work. It's just a light show. The particle animation happens, but that's it. No shields drain or uncloaking on any cloaked targets. Beam overload someone who's popping in and out of enhanced battle cloak. NOTHING HAPPENS TO THEM. I'm speaking English right? Do I even exist? :( The beam overload particle bursts does completely NOTHING. I've tested it over 240 times with 360 Flow cap skill.

    It's broken and no one pays attention.
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    FIX IT NOW.
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  • ryakidrysryakidrys Member Posts: 830 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    atlantra wrote: »
    The Trait's Beam overload mechanic doesn't work. It's just a light show. The particle animation happens, but that's it. No shields drain or uncloaking on any cloaked targets. Beam overload someone who's popping in and out of enhanced battle cloak. NOTHING HAPPENS TO THEM. I'm speaking English right? Do I even exist? :( The beam overload particle bursts does completely NOTHING. I've tested it over 240 times with 360 Flow cap skill.

    It's broken and no one pays attention.
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    It's broken and no one pays attention.
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    FIX IT NOW.

    I skimmed through several of the release notes and didn't see anything about overwhelming force....you may be correct.
  • tankfox23tankfox23 Member Posts: 100 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    It's a kdf ability so no one at cryptic cares. It's pretty lousy in my opinion too.

    I would be a lot happier with reciprocity. Instead I get a trait that benefits cannons, I use beams, and another that even if it worked, I don't use bo or torpedoes. So also useless.

    I turned it off. At least now I can go back to my jhdc and its elite scorpions. The ability was a hinderance spreading mobs all over the map.
  • carnivottcarnivott Member Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    The last post here was over a couple of months ago. Has Overwhelming Force been fixed yet?
  • icsairgunsicsairguns Member Posts: 1,504 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    unfortunately it is broken. just too bad it wasnt the torp proc that was broken instead. i mean what BS . why would we want to push the enemy further away from us? just love it when you got a mess of spheres in a grave well and some nugget happens to proc one off and scatter them all to hell and back .
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  • coldicephoenixcoldicephoenix Member Posts: 344 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    omega6theta1 wrote: »
    I just did an argala patrol and the Over-force is working... there is a visual to it that looks like an expanding red halo....do you have it active in your starship traits? sometimes the traits get unselected randomly is the reason i'm asking.

    Also i did it the patrol using the new elachi ship so the O-force in not limited to the Mat'ha.

    Also I think those halos change color based on your beam. If disruptor its an expanding blue sphere halo thingy. If AP, its red. I havent tried it on other color weapons but I assume its changes based on the weapon color
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  • dova25dova25 Member Posts: 475
    edited March 2015
    Well it should be fixed it is not fair to leave it broken
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