JHSS vs JHAS Stats

razorwalker · March 2015

OK, after getting the JHSS, I decided before doing my video on the new ship to see just how well stat wise they compared to each other. The results are surprising. Check the link to see for yourself, but the JHAS is indeed a little better than the new JHSS. Both ships are on the same captain, same loadouts, same traits, same abilties, 0 points in Mastery, same boff's and same location outside ESD moving at full impulse (not MAX). The ONLY differences are the ships themselves.

http://s42.photobucket.com/user/tre_razor/media/JHSSvsJHAS_zpsxiv7u5yf.jpg.html

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peterconnorfirst · March 2015

Thy for info.

I can think of no reason why stuff like ship wide critical hit chance as well as severity should be different at all under your described conditions.

Could somebody explain?

razorwalker · March 2015

True, I didn't get the consoles in the same slots on both ships, but as you said, it makes no difference on the stats. As to why the Crit and Acc are different, that I'm not sure about either. True, you do get access to the Hybrid Intel/Command seating, but IMO it's just not worth the amount to get that seat. There will be other ships to come along in the C-store with the Hybrid seating and for a fixed price. Took WAY too many boxes for me to get that ship. If I didn't do videos on STO and ships, I would have never bothered. On the upside, I DID get a ton of R&D mats and Lobi :eek:

razorwalker · March 2015

peterconnorfirst wrote: »

Thy for info.

I can think of no reason why stuff like ship wide critical hit chance as well as severity should be different at all under your described conditions.

Could somebody explain?

Your welcome.

meimeitoo · March 2015

Way I heard it, new ship Trait (basically, Infinite CRF) is wicked!

phantrosity · March 2015

Did you check if boff traits were being applied properly?

IE: does the crit go up and down as expected?

razorwalker · March 2015

meimeitoo wrote: »

Way I heard it, new ship Trait (basically, Infinite CRF) is wicked!

I'll be testing that out real good and have a video up on Saturday on the JHSS, so I'll let you know

razorwalker · March 2015

phantrosity wrote: »

Did you check if boff traits were being applied properly?

IE: does the crit go up and down as expected?

Yes, I did activate all boff abilities before and after the screen shots and gave a good 5 minutes in between to make sure that everything reset to normal for accurate numbers. Yeah, I made THAT mistake before, lol

peterconnorfirst · March 2015

Im a big big fan of the original JHAS (and dont want to start any discussion why other ships are better). To put it simply its my most favourite ship in 3 years of sto.

The JHSS is the first craft Id consider worth getting in a long long time (and I dont want to start a discussion about falling for any miserable money grabbing strategies either).

But sorry. Those mentioned stats differences for criticals are unacceptable and should not happen under the same load out. Neither to the JHSS disadvantage or its benefit.

I would simply miss the game fundamentals for that one entirely.

Would be cool if any other owner of both ships could verify. Not that I dont believe you OP, Im really grateful for your experiment.

But could the new Bug simply be buged?

razorwalker · March 2015

peterconnorfirst wrote: »

Im a big big fan of the original JHAS (and dont want to start any discussion why other ships are better). To put it simply its my most favourite ship in 3 years of sto.

The JHSS is the first craft Id consider worth getting in a long long time (and I dont want to start a discussion about falling for any miserable money grabbing strategies either).

But sorry. Those mentioned stats differences for criticals are unacceptable and should not happen under the same load out. Neither to the JHSS disadvantage or its benefit.

I would simply miss the game fundamentals for that one entirely.

Would be cool if any other owner of both ships could verify. Not that I dont believe you OP, Im really grateful for your experiment.

But could the new Bug simply be buged?

I completely agree with you and welcome anyone that has both to try the same thing and see if the results are the same. I've been known to be wrong in the past :eek: But completely understand and take zero offense to the request for others to post results

mrsedna · March 2015

peterconnorfirst wrote: »

Im a big big fan of the original JHAS (and dont want to start any discussion why other ships are better). To put it simply its my most favourite ship in 3 years of sto.

The JHSS is the first craft Id consider worth getting in a long long time (and I dont want to start a discussion about falling for any miserable money grabbing strategies either).

But sorry. Those mentioned stats differences for criticals are unacceptable and should not happen under the same load out. Neither to the JHSS disadvantage or its benefit.

I would simply miss the game fundamentals for that one entirely.

Would be cool if any other owner of both ships could verify. Not that I dont believe you OP, Im really grateful for your experiment.

But could the new Bug simply be buged?

Its the same bug not new bug but with better boff stations.

hyperionx09 · March 2015

Could the JHSS just have a different passive bonus than the JHAS?

Not referring to Mastery levels either; but the basic bonuses that all ships come with. Such as Raiders with their Flanking bonus, or Escorts with a +10 or so to Weapons.

a3001 · March 2015

razorwalker wrote: »

I'll be testing that out real good and have a video up on Saturday on the JHSS, so I'll let you know

I also eagerly await the results of the trial runs. I've been contemplating on whether or not to get the new strike ship, and an independent player shakedown recommendation is always welcomed, atleast by me.

peterconnorfirst · March 2015

mrsedna wrote: »

Its the same bug not new bug but with better boff stations.

Thats what it's supposed to be. If you read the opening post there seem to be some serious indications however that it is not.

And in case of 500.000.000 EC ships I'd like to know why.

zulisvel · March 2015

razorwalker wrote: »

OK, after getting the JHSS, I decided before doing my video on the new ship to see just how well stat wise they compared to each other. The results are surprising. Check the link to see for yourself, but the JHAS is indeed a little better than the new JHSS. Both ships are on the same captain, same loadouts, same traits, same abilties, 0 points in Mastery, same boff's and same location outside ESD moving at full impulse (not MAX). The ONLY differences are the ships themselves.

http://s42.photobucket.com/user/tre_razor/media/JHSSvsJHAS_zpsxiv7u5yf.jpg.html

Interesting. So it really comes down to how badly you want the trait, console, and extra LtCmd Power.

Thanks for the heads up.

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razorwalker · March 2015

mattjohnsonva wrote: »

Can you unload all consoles/weapons etc and (not sure if you can do this) set boffs to none on each ship so there is nothing that interacts with it at all, that way we should see if there is an inate difference. I think you said neither ship had mastery or was that they both have full mastery?

Think Bort should look at this.

Sure, I can do this. Sadly, not right now. I just started a video rendering and I can't run STO while my video software is running. Was about to head to bed. I'll check back in the morning and if no one else has done it, will gladly log in and strip both down to the bulkheads. Will also remove traits, Rep Abilities, doff's everything I can from my captain and get stats again, then upload those to this thread

humblesheep · March 2015

razorwalker wrote: »

I completely agree with you and welcome anyone that has both to try the same thing and see if the results are the same. I've been known to be wrong in the past :eek: But completely understand and take zero offense to the request for others to post results

Checked mine, the JHAS and JHSS have identical Acc, CRTH and CRTD, so it doesn't look like a global bug (no pun intended).

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peterconnorfirst · March 2015

humblesheep wrote: »

Checked mine, the JHAS and JHSS have identical Acc, CRTH and CRTD, so it doesn't look like a global bug (no pun intended).

Ah cool, thank you for that info.

The game is laggy. In my experience it often takes some time when gear is exchanged for the stats to adjust.

Nevertheless thx 4 the thread OP. I look forward to your video.

mrsedna · March 2015

peterconnorfirst wrote: »

That’s what it's supposed to be. If you read the opening post there seem to be some serious indications however that it is… not.

And in case of 500.000.000 EC ships I'd like to know why.

Its the same ship model and this was promised as upgrade for t5 jhas users....it IS the same ship but they call it "new" to rip more money from the few people left paying for their greed machine.

Next "new" T6 ships will be all the lockbox ships people have.

peterconnorfirst · March 2015

mrsedna wrote: »

Its the same ship model and this was promised as upgrade for t5 jhas users....it IS the same ship but they call it "new" to rip more money from the few people left paying for their greed machine.

Next "new" T6 ships will be all the lockbox ships people have.

The problem seems to have been cleared up to a non global bug if you have followed the thread.

Thank you for providing aditional information and voicing your opinion about the promotion.

mrsedna · March 2015

peterconnorfirst wrote: »

The problem seems to have been cleared up to a non global bug if you have followed the thread.

Thank you for providing aditional information and voicing your opinion about the promotion.

are you working for cryptic or you are just one of the last 3 fanboys left?Either way no one gives a single s.... about your opinion.

peterconnorfirst · March 2015

mrsedna wrote: »

are you working for cryptic or you are just one of the last 3 fanboys left?Either way no one gives a single s.... about your opinion.

My posting history should answer your questions best and spares me the time to respond to you in more detail.

That be said, its very honest of you to point out this entire communities perception of my opinions while constantly replying to my posts yourself.

mrsedna · March 2015

peterconnorfirst wrote: »

My posting history should answer your questions best and spares me the time to respond to you in more detail.

That be said, its very honest of you to point out this entire communities perception of my opinions while constantly replying to my posts yourself.

you do realize that right now saying you are a dev or a fanboy is synonym to scammer right?

btw I mailed few of these threads to some game reviewers.Im sure they will love to make few vids about this.

narthais · March 2015

Doubt it, these forums are pretty par for the course when it comes to MMO's really, try reading the WoW forums sometime, the rage there whenever blizzard make a change is astonishing. admittedly many other MMO forums aren't constantly plagued by bug reports, but still, the attitude of about 10% of the very vocal minority of players is about the same.

peterconnorfirst · March 2015

mrsedna wrote: »

you do realize that right now saying you are a dev or a fanboy is synonym to scammer right?

btw I mailed few of these threads to some game reviewers.Im sure they will love to make few vids about this.

Heh, we really seem to have met on wrong terms. About 650 posts of mine have been made in the past 4 moth in order to point out my general dissatisfaction with the current state of the game. You will find my opinion towards the jhss promo in one of the recent ones as well as the fact that I dont intend to discuss it further under this OPs thread in an already quoted post.

It was meant as information exchange and that way I'll treat it.

Also thy a bunch for claiming me to be a dev or a cryptic fan boy. A cool laugh to get the weekend started.

mrsedna · March 2015

narthais wrote: »

Doubt it, these forums are pretty par for the course when it comes to MMO's really, try reading the WoW forums sometime, the rage there whenever blizzard make a change is astonishing. admittedly many other MMO forums aren't constantly plagued by bug reports, but still, the attitude of about 10% of the very vocal minority of players is about the same.

I'm sure you don't see Blizard editing their blogs ( from http://1drv.ms/1H1c8VG to http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/sta...k-ship-returns ) trying to scam people.Also you don't see them selling the same thing twice each time as new.There is a difference between opinion and facts.What they did now is Scam...they made people spend money by promising something and later editinging .That is the definition of scam.Oh and btw have you seen how many LTS people got permabanned in the last 2 days?

Please google to see what the past devs who worked for cryptic have to say about sto and about geko.You will find some really interesting things and also you will find why they do these stunts.

tarastheslayer · March 2015

I have a feeling the stat differences are down to a display bug. I generally find with a number of my ships that if you remove any gear or boffs or whatever and then re-slot them, the stats don't always return to normal, I've also had instances where my regeneration rates count up really slowly from something small to the more likely values for no real reason. I only say this bug simply because I find it is the more common.

virusdancer · March 2015

tarastheslayer wrote: »

I have a feeling the stat differences are down to a display bug. I generally find with a number of my ships that if you remove any gear or boffs or whatever and then re-slot them, the stats don't always return to normal, I've also had instances where my regeneration rates count up really slowly from something small to the more likely values for no real reason. I only say this bug simply because I find it is the more common.

There are all sorts of fun 'n twisted stat calculation issues in the game. Some of them are even about the precedence of slotting various gear.

Slot A -> B -> C and you get X.
Slot B -> C -> A and you get Y.

But the calculations/recalculations cause various issues with folks zoning, folks respawning, etc, etc, etc - where their stats just aren't what they're meant to be.

It's annoying.

JHSS vs JHAS Stats

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