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platewearingbird
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Currently building a particle gen build (275+ particle, 128 combat aux), and I have questions on something.
What is the deal with reversed TCR. Everyone swears but it, but it seems VERY situational to actually use.
For one, you gotta be close to use it.
For two, using it on clumps of ships make a huge mess, and this only seems effective to do the same thing as regular TCR: getting ships away from something, like nanite spheres.
For three, you've now done tons of damage to ships, which instead of exploding a safe distance away are now exploding nigh on top of you.
For four, it is VERY unsafe to use in some situations, like CCA where a reversed TCR shoves tons of exploding shards into your face.
And finally, there is little to do as supplementary damage, since they are moving erratically or getting towed, leaving your fore weapons completely useless compared to a GW.
If you're using a reversed TCR, why are you using it and how? It seems very impractical compared to Tyken's (which ticks at the same rate of damage) or Tachyon beam (which is getting a shield strip buff and boosted by Deteriorating secondary deflectors).
What is the deal with reversed TCR. Everyone swears but it, but it seems VERY situational to actually use.
For one, you gotta be close to use it.
For two, using it on clumps of ships make a huge mess, and this only seems effective to do the same thing as regular TCR: getting ships away from something, like nanite spheres.
For three, you've now done tons of damage to ships, which instead of exploding a safe distance away are now exploding nigh on top of you.
For four, it is VERY unsafe to use in some situations, like CCA where a reversed TCR shoves tons of exploding shards into your face.
And finally, there is little to do as supplementary damage, since they are moving erratically or getting towed, leaving your fore weapons completely useless compared to a GW.
If you're using a reversed TCR, why are you using it and how? It seems very impractical compared to Tyken's (which ticks at the same rate of damage) or Tachyon beam (which is getting a shield strip buff and boosted by Deteriorating secondary deflectors).
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It's easy to avoid warp core breaches (have Evasive ready) if I need to. I'm sure others will add more.
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275 is very low, but workable. Please be advised any form of dps via PrtG is locked behind Particle Manipulator (lv 15 R&D Sci trait) and without it you will do no where near the amount of damage you would. Rough napkin math I'd guess a 66% reduction in damage. Because of the way particle manipulator works, you can gain 100% crit on all exotic at 400 PrtG. Some people say the sweet spot is in the 350-375 range for investment vs damage. I always saw it as tac consoles. If you have 5, you use 5. 450-500 constant is achievable with full upgrades. 700's with temp buffs/doff/sb buffs etc. Also Aux level only effects TBR if you have nukara Aux:offense slotted.
You do have to be close to use it, which allow you to build around this fact. There are many complimentary abilities and weapons to go with this. EWP is 100% crit due to Particle Manipulator. With a ship cycling EptE/EptS (EptE/EptA for prtg boost in pve) you should be able to both tank and outmaneuver any problems with eating explosions.
In response to 2, TBR build are not about CC as much as they are about effective damage. You are 100% ignoring shields. If you want to cc things, invest into grav gens and a gw + aftershock build. I'm not saying you can't use TBR as CC, however, its primary function with the reversal doff is damage. With full intel tree, scans, analysis, gather intel, debuffs, flanking, etc you can see tbr ticks go into the 30-35k range in pve.
In response to 3, see two paragraphs above and get familiar with abilities such as doffed a2d, polarize hull, and brace for impact.
In response to 4, absolutely correct. If I ever had to do CCA on my sci, I would switch to a torpedo spread with gravi torp (pre delta) and grav well + aftershock setup. I have done CCA with TBR pull a few times, its not difficult if you are properly rotating abilities, but I'm sure the pug group didnt appreciate it much :P
In response to the final point, there are many things that actually do compliment the damage. 8472 torp's debuff to movement speed and Particle Emissions Plasma torp for the plasma disable give you free "pull strength" during procs. EWP allows you to pull things behind you while doing extra damage via the ewp ticks. The delta 3 piece gives you the most bull**** ability in the game, Isokinetic Cannon which gets a lovely boost from your PrtG and gains 100% crit via Particle Manipulator. Nukara and Tractor Beam Mines can also be used to compliment the build.
Here is a link to a more pvp centric scryer build that was so boring to play, that its essentially the reason I uninstalled the game. It can give you a baseline of what to expect a high PrtG ship wants to run, however some of the boff skills are a bit more pvp oriented due to players ability to fight back....until hit by ionic turbululz/emp.
Please note, for the amount of time and resources you will expend to build a ship around tbr...you could build scims for 3 chars and just faw....and do more damage, but thats a conversation for another thread. Disclaimer, I have not played on holodeck since late december, only tribble recently so I have no idea of any interaction of command skill/boff vs PrtG builds. Par for the course was buff prtg every update though, either directly or indirectly, so I would imagine there are more items/skills to compliment TBR builds.
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The CC is nice to have and it gives a passive 23%(!!) Bonus to all exotic damage.
It's dirt cheap on the Exchange too.
You use TBR w/ DOff, you pull in 3 targets and only 3 targets to yourself, a central points.
You use TBR w/o DOff, you could fling any number of targets any number of directions.
Dive into the middle of a group of Spheres and pop TBR without the DOff, see how far they all get separated from each other, plus your team prefers grouped enemies always vs enemies throw away, possibly out of weapons range.
I save the repulsors for big targets who can't be pushed and for solo targets. This does mean that I don't use them as much as possible, however, I also have the borg set tractor to fill in maybe twice an ISA.
I have around 90% crit for exotic. The only way I see to get to 100 is to use solanae deflector however I will not break up my assimilated set for 10%
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
Whoawhoawhoawhoawhoawhoa 23%?!?!?!?! Good god, I almost junked the ones I dropped during my box opening spree !!!!(keys from saved up stipend zen)
Woah! thanks for the heads up! I would never even have thought of even looking at it, had nobody said anything!
Which is probably why it is so cheap. This is most likely THE most overlooked and underrated console in the entire game right now.
Must be due to the fact that up to now, special ability consoles never gave passive boosts.
Don't know what you do with your in-time game and forum reading because that's all science part gens captains talked about since it came out.
Well that'd explain a bit, I'll have to get busy on my Sci R&D and invest in a Constriction anchor.
Oh well, that's another console that I need to add to my science toons' shopping lists.
There's a place where science captains talk? All i ever see are the occasional threads on these forums...
It's nice that they are helping Scis in the post DR game but yeah, it gets pretty damned expensive.
If you like using Space Magic though, it's so worth it. Slot 2 copies of TBR and let the fun begin.
You know, I think you've sold me. Space magic is what my game is all about. Time to trade some colored traces for the tractor pull.
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
The whole set provides movement speed and turning that help change 180 degrees much faster, for the enemies you're dragging behind you with TBR. You will likely sacrifice particle gen if you equip the whole set. If you want more versatility/survival over dps, this sacrifice is valid. I use the entire Delta set, at mk xiv, and I'm happy with it.
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My opinion of reverse TBR? It's a tactician's skill. Use it wisely and be rewarded. Spamming the ability without forethought will likely have you sitting under a respawn timer. It has an awesome number of applications if you use your imagination. Here are a few:
- TBR, reverse or normal, can remove the need for FAW in many situations. For example: when surrounded by mines, fighters, Tholian webbing nodes, or other easily destructable objects. TBR can destroy these targets faster than FAW, for captains that focus on part gen and not beam weapons. My beam weapons are little more than headlights.
- Using evasive, eject warp plasma (if you can find a spot for it), and TBR together while spinning in tight circles will lock most enemies in a two/three layer cloud of death. You can use eject warp plasma without evasive to great effect.
- Reverse TBR is ok with tyken's rift, as it shares a cd with grav well. This combo is not good unless you're more focused on drain, or have the appropriate secondary deflector equipped. TBR is better when used inside a grav well, for a number of reasons.
- Using scramble sensors or intel emp will stop enemies from shooting at you while you're dragging them with TBR. Scramble sensors will apply radiation damage with the same 2nd deflector as TBR, intel emp will not.
- You can drag enemies into ambush points, for command. This is better when used in tandem with another player, not your own ambush point. Similar outcome when going through minefields.
- Enemies will not be able to casually run away from your abilities while under the affect of TBR. This point is accented with the change to turbulence.
- With practice you can control which direction your opponent is facing, in relation to you, denying them the opportunity to use all of their fore weapons and some of their skills. This is a very challenging tactic. At present, only reverse TBR has this kind of control option.