I never got the impression that Kirk was overly security conscious or concerned with a high degree of precaution. Quite the opposite it would seem
I mean we are talking about the same character who got people killed by failing to raise shields when he was advised to do so in Wrath of Khan
"Eh, what's the worst that can happen..."
...Oh, baby, you know, I've really got to leave you / Oh, I can hear it callin 'me / I said don't you hear it callin' me the way it used to do?...
- Anne Bredon
And the actor of the character also thought up, wrote, directed and stared in Star Trek 5 even when the entire Trek population of this dimension said hell no.....
JJ ya off the hook. :cool:
He also wrote a novel in which his character was resurrected from an unfitting death by some roundabout mess involving V'ger and the Borg and time travel that's up there with some of Jean Gray's resurrections.
Guy writes his own fan fiction. I've never been sure if that's adorable or sad, but it's all just really unreadable.
He also wrote a novel in which his character was resurrected from an unfitting death by some roundabout mess involving V'ger and the Borg and time travel that's up there with some of Jean Gray's resurrections.
Guy writes his own fan fiction. I've never been sure if that's adorable or sad, but it's all just really unreadable.
He also "wrote" some moderately-received sci-fi that was in fact ghostwritten by Ron Goulart (you could tell not only by the style, but also because when the protagonists had to go undercover, they went by the names of the heroes of Goulart's Star Hawks).
Khan was genetically engineered to be much smarter than the average human, wasn't he? But Kirk viewed him as an aboriginal. Someone who he did not see as a threat until later in the episode. After Khan had already proven he was at least the intellectual equal of 'modern' man. With all those tendencies towards conquest and a thirst for power...ahem...augmented. Starfleet isn't primarily a military organization. Although it can mimic one pretty well. So the rules about information sharing are probably not as restrictive as, say, the US Department of Defense.
Calling Kirk a numptie(Whatever the Hell that is) implies he isn't as intelligent as he thinks is. Who among us does not have the same fault to some degree?
A six year old boy and his starship. Living the dream.
Khan was genetically engineered to be much smarter than the average human, wasn't he? But Kirk viewed him as an aboriginal. Someone who he did not see as a threat until later in the episode. After Khan had already proven he was at least the intellectual equal of 'modern' man. With all those tendencies towards conquest and a thirst for power...ahem...augmented. Starfleet isn't primarily a military organization. Although it can mimic one pretty well. So the rules about information sharing are probably not as restrictive as, say, the US Department of Defense.
Calling Kirk a numptie(Whatever the Hell that is) implies he isn't as intelligent as he thinks is. Who among us does not have the same fault to some degree?
Utterly irrelevant. We're not the ones being scrutinized... We're not in command of a vessel capable of slagging a planet. Kirk, however, was... ToS had no concept of canon and played hard and loose with the rules, and plot issues like this highlight that...
Utterly irrelevant. We're not the ones being scrutinized... We're not in command of a vessel capable of slagging a planet. Kirk, however, was... ToS had no concept of canon and played hard and loose with the rules, and plot issues like this highlight that...
Completely relevant. Kirk was a human being. His story was written by human beings. All human beings, even you, have misjudged someone somewhere during their life.
Go ask the Captain of an Ohio class ballistic missile submarine whether or not he can slag a planet. I'm guessing he would say, 'Yes.'
A six year old boy and his starship. Living the dream.
In the TNG episode Rascals, the class computer could not show Picard the schematics/security information he wanted. Given how user-appropriate software is described in the TNG Technical Manual, as soon as he used his access code, the computer should've shifted to an appropriate LCARS display and given him what he wanted. The fact that it couldn't, suggests that "It's all just information, let's share it..." was not an ethos the Enterprise operated under... :cool:
IIRC, Riker - who Picard had given command of the ship - had also locked out all controls basically, so the Ferengi could not gain access to it - nor could anyone else.
And the terminal in the school may have required this computer lockout to be ended to behave in any way different than a school terminal for children.
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He also "wrote" some moderately-received sci-fi that was in fact ghostwritten by Ron Goulart (you could tell not only by the style, but also because when the protagonists had to go undercover, they went by the names of the heroes of Goulart's Star Hawks).
I'm just going to say that while it may be a little...ah, fawning over Captain Kirk, I prefer the Shatnerverse series to the VOY relaunch, Typhon Pact, and Destiny.
Mostly because VOY relaunch had the attention span of a gerbil on caffeine, Destiny went waaaaaaay too far grimdark (including breaking up some of my favorite pairings, slagging DS9, and destroying multiple planets) and ruined the Borg FOREVER (and yes, I know that makes me sound like a Transformers fan but I do loathe the very concept of catoms), and Typhon Pact proceeded to nerf the heroes into oblivion because hey, they already beat the Borg armada that outnumbers them 18 to 1, the Romulan-Breen-Tzenkethi-whoever else alliance is chump change without a serious nerfing.
In comparison, the worst Shatner did was make Kirk the effectively-unbeatable hero, and did so in a way that I found pleasantly over-the-top and relatively non-obnoxious. And Kirk was basically unbeatable anyway, so it's not TOO much of a stretch. Certainly less of a stretch than a hero ship's computers being completely unhackable by the Borg in one book and ripped through like they weren't even there by some two-bit space pirates two books later.
Completely relevant. Kirk was a human being. His story was written by human beings. All human beings, even you, have misjudged someone somewhere during their life.
Of course I have misjudged people in my life, I've also not been through a millitary academy and taught a series of protocols I'm expected to follow while commanding a vessel... You can't compare a civilian's experiences to those of a trained military officer and judge them by the same standard... And once more, whatever anyone else may do is irrelevant, because Kirk ks the one under the microscope: His actions and their repercussions.
IIRC, Riker - who Picard had given command of the ship - had also locked out all controls basically, so the Ferengi could not gain access to it - nor could anyone else.
And the terminal in the school may have required this computer lockout to be ended to behave in any way different than a school terminal for children.
You're absolutely right there, I'd forgotten about that... Of course, Picard should still have had clearance codes above Riker's operational command authority, because he was still Jean-Luc Picard, in full command of his adult mental faculties, not Jean-Luc Picard totally regressed to a child. But of course, that wouldn't've made for such an entertaining story
If I remember, Picard went to Riker and had him unlock the terminal, but it still responded at a child-appropriate level, and Guinan observed that is was a child's computer, and that Picard had to remember to use it at a child's level... That's what makes me think that they were hardwired into a safe-mode, which no amount of command clearance authority would have overriden to full LCARS status..
You're absolutely right there, I'd forgotten about that... Of course, Picard should still have had clearance codes above Riker's operational command authority, because he was still Jean-Luc Picard, in full command of his adult mental faculties, not Jean-Luc Picard totally regressed to a child. But of course, that wouldn't've made for such an entertaining story
If I remember, Picard went to Riker and had him unlock the terminal, but it still responded at a child-appropriate level, and Guinan observed that is was a child's computer, and that Picard had to remember to use it at a child's level... That's what makes me think that they were hardwired into a safe-mode, which no amount of command clearance authority would have overriden to full LCARS status..
Let's just note right now that Riker was the WORST guy to leave in charge of a ship...
In fact, Human XOs have terrible track records at that sort of thing. Riker and his abject command incompetence, Chakotay the offensive ethnic stereotype and his incredible ability to lose shuttles...yakkk, I'm sticking with Vulcans and Klingons.
I'm just going to say that while it may be a little...ah, fawning over Captain Kirk, I prefer the Shatnerverse series to the VOY relaunch, Typhon Pact, and Destiny.
Mostly because VOY relaunch had the attention span of a gerbil on caffeine, Destiny went waaaaaaay too far grimdark (including breaking up some of my favorite pairings, slagging DS9, and destroying multiple planets) and ruined the Borg FOREVER (and yes, I know that makes me sound like a Transformers fan but I do loathe the very concept of catoms), and Typhon Pact proceeded to nerf the heroes into oblivion because hey, they already beat the Borg armada that outnumbers them 18 to 1, the Romulan-Breen-Tzenkethi-whoever else alliance is chump change without a serious nerfing.
In comparison, the worst Shatner did was make Kirk the effectively-unbeatable hero, and did so in a way that I found pleasantly over-the-top and relatively non-obnoxious. And Kirk was basically unbeatable anyway, so it's not TOO much of a stretch. Certainly less of a stretch than a hero ship's computers being completely unhackable by the Borg in one book and ripped through like they weren't even there by some two-bit space pirates two books later.
It was when I realized that the novels weren't considered canon that I stopped reading them, although I have included homages to two of my favorite TNG novels in my own writing.
Also, I saw the Shatnerverse as just a massive ego trip (and as described upthread, he was basicaly writing his own fanfiction) so they got dropped as well... The last Trek novel I read was by Peter David (once one of my favorite Trek authors, and someone I felt had been cheated by not being allowed to write an episode or two) but I found it highlighted the nepotism of the characters so much, it showed me that it really was time to let the TNG crew retire in literature as well as in moving picture... (I forget what it was called, but it was the one that had Seven working with Geordi, Mad Kathy got turned into the new Borg Queen, and Pluto got consumed by a Borg Megacube: At that point, I actually stopped reading it and felt the author had Jumped the Shark )
Let's just note right now that Riker was the WORST guy to leave in charge of a ship...
In fact, Human XOs have terrible track records at that sort of thing. Riker and his abject command incompetence, Chakotay the offensive ethnic stereotype and his incredible ability to lose shuttles...yakkk, I'm sticking with Vulcans and Klingons.
To be fair to Humans, Shelby did a good job as first officer, as did Max Burke... Riker was just an incompetent sleaze, and Chakotay, Mr Badass Freedom Fighter, was just a poseur in a leather jacket, who was utterly undermined as a badass by how quickly and willingly he became Mad Kathy's B**ch... He was just one notch up on the Minion Scale from sitting on the floor in front of her in a gimp suit while she drummed her fingers on the top of his head while making command decisions... That's no first officer...
It was when I realized that the novels weren't considered canon that I stopped reading them, although I have included homages to two of my favorite TNG novels in my own writing.
Also, I saw the Shatnerverse as just a massive ego trip (and as described upthread, he was basicaly writing his own fanfiction) so they got dropped as well... The last Trek novel I read was by Peter David (once one of my favorite Trek authors, and someone I felt had been cheated by not being allowed to write an episode or two) but I found it highlighted the nepotism of the characters so much, it showed me that it really was time to let the TNG crew retire in literature as well as in moving picture... (I forget what it was called, but it was the one that had Seven working with Geordi, Mad Kathy got turned into the new Borg Queen, and Pluto got consumed by a Borg Megacube: At that point, I actually stopped reading it and felt the author had Jumped the Shark )
It was an ego trip, but it was a FUN ego trip...
Oh, THAT novel...it was beyond stupid. IIRC Mad Kathy got killed, which was the only good part...
As to Chakotay: My problem isn't his complete inability to question Janeway's crazy orders while questioning the few reasonable ones she gave, but the fact that he was one giant racist caricature.
And if there's one thing I really loathe, it's racist caricatures of Native Americans. This country's f*cked them over enough, at least let the various nations have their cultural identities instead of mashing them all into one guy who claims to be a Mayan from South America, grew up in a tepee, believes in spirit animals, uses hallucinogenic stuff for rituals, gives ADULTS dream catchers, and wears a Maiori tattoo from NEW ZEALAND.
Not one of those traits is consistent with the others, BTW.
And that's before we get to the epic pile of racist sh*t that is "Tattoo". Wherein Chakotay finds out that his ancestors were half-animal savages before magic space white men taught them how to be human.
Oh, THAT novel...it was beyond stupid. IIRC Mad Kathy got killed, which was the only good part...
Yup, really changed my view of Peter David from someone who's work I admired (still have the two novels he signed for me in storage somewhere) to someone scraping the barrel to get a paycheque No artist should have to do that
As to Chakotay: My problem isn't his complete inability to question Janeway's crazy orders while questioning the few reasonable ones she gave, but the fact that he was one giant racist caricature.
And if there's one thing I really loathe, it's racist caricatures of Native Americans. This country's f*cked them over enough, at least let the various nations have their cultural identities instead of mashing them all into one guy who claims to be a Mayan from South America, grew up in a tepee, believes in spirit animals, uses hallucinogenic stuff for rituals, gives ADULTS dream catchers, and wears a Maiori tattoo from NEW ZEALAND.
Not one of those traits is consistent with the others, BTW.
And that's before we get to the epic pile of racist sh*t that is "Tattoo". Wherein Chakotay finds out that his ancestors were half-animal savages before magic space white men taught them how to be human.
I didn't know any of that until you first pointed it out, but it still doesn't really bother me (although I understand why it bothers you) It just lessens (if such a thing were possible) my respect for the writers, who IMHO, should've damnedwell known better... (especially as the original character notes for Geordi were very specific to not have him as a negative stereotype) It also explains the comment I read somewhere, which claimed Robert Beltran half-assed his way through the scripts, because he didn't like it. I first thought it just sounded like some actor being a primadonna, but given the points you've mentioned, it makes sense. But in terms of command capacity, yeah, he was basically one notch up from this (which also acurately portrays Mad Kathy's decision making process...)
Yup, really changed my view of Peter David from someone who's work I admired (still have the two novels he signed for me in storage somewhere) to someone scraping the barrel to get a paycheque No artist should have to do that
Hey, therapy for stroke recovery doesn't come cheap. The joys of being self-employed...
Hey, therapy for stroke recovery doesn't come cheap. The joys of being self-employed...
He wrote that steaming pile long before he had his stroke... And yup, I know the joys of being self-employed and stretching the pennies by eating a can of beans and sausages as a meal only too well...
I didn't know any of that until you first pointed it out, but it still doesn't really bother me (although I understand why it bothers you) It just lessens (if such a thing were possible) my respect for the writers, who IMHO, should've damnedwell known better... (especially as the original character notes for Geordi were very specific to not have him as a negative stereotype) It also explains the comment I read somewhere, which claimed Robert Beltran half-assed his way through the scripts, because he didn't like it. I first thought it just sounded like some actor being a primadonna, but given the points you've mentioned, it makes sense. But in terms of command capacity, yeah, he was basically one notch up from this (which also acurately portrays Mad Kathy's decision making process...)
LOL!
You should look up Hank Adams sometime. He's a Sioux activist, brilliant man, probably the most important Native American of the last century. He personally tore apart the "consultant" who the Voyager writers got to ensure that Chakotay was "authentic" as an epic liar, scammer, and dirtbag with no Native heritage whatsoever.
Speaking as a guy who knows multiple members of the campus Lenape heritage group and who has some knowledge of actual Native American nations (seriously, Red Cloud and Thunder Rolling in the Mountains were really cool dudes), Chakotay isn't just an offensive stereotype, he is a walking insult to every Native American ever.
You should look up Hank Adams sometime. He's a Sioux activist, brilliant man, probably the most important Native American of the last century. He personally tore apart the "consultant" who the Voyager writers got to ensure that Chakotay was "authentic" as an epic liar, scammer, and dirtbag with no Native heritage whatsoever.
Speaking as a guy who knows multiple members of the campus Lenape heritage group and who has some knowledge of actual Native American nations (seriously, Red Cloud and Thunder Rolling in the Mountains were really cool dudes), Chakotay isn't just an offensive stereotype, he is a walking insult to every Native American ever.
That was actually being generous to Mad Kathy's process (as it implies considering alternatives, which just wasn't her style at all) but I think it sumss the balance of their relationship about right
I think it is more a matter of is Kirk giving Khan the Popular Mechanics of the 23rd Century or classified documents?
KHAN: Captain, I wonder if I could have something to read during my convalescence. I was once an engineer of sorts. I would be most interested in studying the technical manuals on your vessel.
KIRK: Yes, I understand. You have two hundred years of catching up to do.
KHAN: Precisely.
KIRK: They're available to any patient on the viewing screen. Doctor McCoy will show you how to tie into the library tapes.
KHAN: Thank you, Captain. You are very co-operative.
[Bridge]
KIRK: This Khan is not what I expected of a twentieth century man.
SPOCK: I note he's making considerable use of our technical library.
KIRK: Common courtesy, Mister Spock. He'll spend the rest of his days in our time. It's only decent to help him catch up.
Looks like he gave all patients full access to the technical library.
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He also wrote a novel in which his character was resurrected from an unfitting death by some roundabout mess involving V'ger and the Borg and time travel that's up there with some of Jean Gray's resurrections.
In high school I wrote a book report on that novel mostly to goad my teacher who was really into Shakespeare when she said we could write on any book we wanted. :P
In high school I wrote a book report on that novel mostly to goad my teacher who was really into Shakespeare when she said we could write on any book we wanted. :P
She groaned but I still got a good grade.
My middle school English teacher did that. He gave us a minimum length for the book and let us do the rest. Ended up with everything from LOTR to A Clockwork Orange to a Star Wars EU novel.
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You should look up Hank Adams sometime. He's a Sioux activist, brilliant man, probably the most important Native American of the last century. He personally tore apart the "consultant" who the Voyager writers got to ensure that Chakotay was "authentic" as an epic liar, scammer, and dirtbag with no Native heritage whatsoever.
It wasn't just Voyager, either. Jamake Highwater wrote so many books, is mentioned in credits on so many historical texts, made or advised so many documentaries, that today a big part of scholarly work in Native American studies is just trying to figure out how much damage this guy and people like him did, and how much of what we know is actually real.
He even helped actual tribes reassemble histories they lost in the 17- and 1800's when their tribes were either dispersed or absorbed into larger tribes, not just destroying any real surviving history in the process but destroying an opportunity for finding what's true and what's fabricated.
A lot of people have done intellectual damage to humanity, but few have managed to so completely corrupt an entire field of study that for years after their death that field exists as much to figure out the extent of the damage they did as to find new knowledge.
In comparison, the worst Shatner did was make Kirk the effectively-unbeatable hero, and did so in a way that I found pleasantly over-the-top and relatively non-obnoxious. And Kirk was basically unbeatable anyway, so it's not TOO much of a stretch. Certainly less of a stretch than a hero ship's computers being completely unhackable by the Borg in one book and ripped through like they weren't even there by some two-bit space pirates two books later.
He also made Kirk a bit of an egotistical TRIBBLE with a lack of common sense in the Starfleet Academy novel.
Say what you will about JJ Kirk but at least he knows to go to an authority figure when he finds out either something important about the villains or that people are about to step into an evil plot of some kind.
Looks like he gave all patients full access to the technical library.
It also sounds like it was just basic tech info any regular joe would have access to. Especially since his taking over the ship was pretty much just taking engineering and turning off the life support systems to incapacitate the crew, and he still needed the crew to run the ship.
You should look up Hank Adams sometime. He's a Sioux activist, brilliant man, probably the most important Native American of the last century. He personally tore apart the "consultant" who the Voyager writers got to ensure that Chakotay was "authentic" as an epic liar, scammer, and dirtbag with no Native heritage whatsoever.
Speaking as a guy who knows multiple members of the campus Lenape heritage group and who has some knowledge of actual Native American nations (seriously, Red Cloud and Thunder Rolling in the Mountains were really cool dudes), Chakotay isn't just an offensive stereotype, he is a walking insult to every Native American ever.
Chakotay could have been saved with actually very little change, had they explicitly made him a practitioner of (for example) a 22nd-century New Age religion that included syncretisms of pagan and Native American elements. Then at least if anyone was offended, they would be getting offended at something that was clearly stated to be fiction (and the writers would get even more license by setting the point of origin for this religion in the future).
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...Oh, baby, you know, I've really got to leave you / Oh, I can hear it callin 'me / I said don't you hear it callin' me the way it used to do?...
- Anne Bredon
stargate atlantis and rodney always referring to Shepard as kirk..
and women...! :cool:
kirk was a bit off a ladies man..
so really was he a great captain?
we could go on... lol
He also wrote a novel in which his character was resurrected from an unfitting death by some roundabout mess involving V'ger and the Borg and time travel that's up there with some of Jean Gray's resurrections.
Guy writes his own fan fiction. I've never been sure if that's adorable or sad, but it's all just really unreadable.
Calling Kirk a numptie(Whatever the Hell that is) implies he isn't as intelligent as he thinks is. Who among us does not have the same fault to some degree?
Utterly irrelevant. We're not the ones being scrutinized... We're not in command of a vessel capable of slagging a planet. Kirk, however, was... ToS had no concept of canon and played hard and loose with the rules, and plot issues like this highlight that...
Completely relevant. Kirk was a human being. His story was written by human beings. All human beings, even you, have misjudged someone somewhere during their life.
Go ask the Captain of an Ohio class ballistic missile submarine whether or not he can slag a planet. I'm guessing he would say, 'Yes.'
IIRC, Riker - who Picard had given command of the ship - had also locked out all controls basically, so the Ferengi could not gain access to it - nor could anyone else.
And the terminal in the school may have required this computer lockout to be ended to behave in any way different than a school terminal for children.
I'm just going to say that while it may be a little...ah, fawning over Captain Kirk, I prefer the Shatnerverse series to the VOY relaunch, Typhon Pact, and Destiny.
Mostly because VOY relaunch had the attention span of a gerbil on caffeine, Destiny went waaaaaaay too far grimdark (including breaking up some of my favorite pairings, slagging DS9, and destroying multiple planets) and ruined the Borg FOREVER (and yes, I know that makes me sound like a Transformers fan but I do loathe the very concept of catoms), and Typhon Pact proceeded to nerf the heroes into oblivion because hey, they already beat the Borg armada that outnumbers them 18 to 1, the Romulan-Breen-Tzenkethi-whoever else alliance is chump change without a serious nerfing.
In comparison, the worst Shatner did was make Kirk the effectively-unbeatable hero, and did so in a way that I found pleasantly over-the-top and relatively non-obnoxious. And Kirk was basically unbeatable anyway, so it's not TOO much of a stretch. Certainly less of a stretch than a hero ship's computers being completely unhackable by the Borg in one book and ripped through like they weren't even there by some two-bit space pirates two books later.
Yes, and I'd also bet s**t to gold that that same Captain would not let a civilian brought abord his boat have access to classified technical specs...
If I remember, Picard went to Riker and had him unlock the terminal, but it still responded at a child-appropriate level, and Guinan observed that is was a child's computer, and that Picard had to remember to use it at a child's level... That's what makes me think that they were hardwired into a safe-mode, which no amount of command clearance authority would have overriden to full LCARS status..
Let's just note right now that Riker was the WORST guy to leave in charge of a ship...
In fact, Human XOs have terrible track records at that sort of thing. Riker and his abject command incompetence, Chakotay the offensive ethnic stereotype and his incredible ability to lose shuttles...yakkk, I'm sticking with Vulcans and Klingons.
Also, I saw the Shatnerverse as just a massive ego trip (and as described upthread, he was basicaly writing his own fanfiction) so they got dropped as well... The last Trek novel I read was by Peter David (once one of my favorite Trek authors, and someone I felt had been cheated by not being allowed to write an episode or two) but I found it highlighted the nepotism of the characters so much, it showed me that it really was time to let the TNG crew retire in literature as well as in moving picture... (I forget what it was called, but it was the one that had Seven working with Geordi, Mad Kathy got turned into the new Borg Queen, and Pluto got consumed by a Borg Megacube: At that point, I actually stopped reading it and felt the author had Jumped the Shark
It was an ego trip, but it was a FUN ego trip...
Oh, THAT novel...it was beyond stupid. IIRC Mad Kathy got killed, which was the only good part...
As to Chakotay: My problem isn't his complete inability to question Janeway's crazy orders while questioning the few reasonable ones she gave, but the fact that he was one giant racist caricature.
And if there's one thing I really loathe, it's racist caricatures of Native Americans. This country's f*cked them over enough, at least let the various nations have their cultural identities instead of mashing them all into one guy who claims to be a Mayan from South America, grew up in a tepee, believes in spirit animals, uses hallucinogenic stuff for rituals, gives ADULTS dream catchers, and wears a Maiori tattoo from NEW ZEALAND.
Not one of those traits is consistent with the others, BTW.
And that's before we get to the epic pile of racist sh*t that is "Tattoo". Wherein Chakotay finds out that his ancestors were half-animal savages before magic space white men taught them how to be human.
Yup, really changed my view of Peter David from someone who's work I admired (still have the two novels he signed for me in storage somewhere) to someone scraping the barrel to get a paycheque
I didn't know any of that until you first pointed it out, but it still doesn't really bother me (although I understand why it bothers you) It just lessens (if such a thing were possible) my respect for the writers, who IMHO, should've damnedwell known better... (especially as the original character notes for Geordi were very specific to not have him as a negative stereotype) It also explains the comment I read somewhere, which claimed Robert Beltran half-assed his way through the scripts, because he didn't like it. I first thought it just sounded like some actor being a primadonna, but given the points you've mentioned, it makes sense. But in terms of command capacity, yeah, he was basically one notch up from this (which also acurately portrays Mad Kathy's decision making process...)
LOL!
You should look up Hank Adams sometime. He's a Sioux activist, brilliant man, probably the most important Native American of the last century. He personally tore apart the "consultant" who the Voyager writers got to ensure that Chakotay was "authentic" as an epic liar, scammer, and dirtbag with no Native heritage whatsoever.
Speaking as a guy who knows multiple members of the campus Lenape heritage group and who has some knowledge of actual Native American nations (seriously, Red Cloud and Thunder Rolling in the Mountains were really cool dudes), Chakotay isn't just an offensive stereotype, he is a walking insult to every Native American ever.
That was actually being generous to Mad Kathy's process (as it implies considering alternatives, which just wasn't her style at all) but I think it sumss the balance of their relationship about right
I'll check him out, sounds like a top dude :cool:
In high school I wrote a book report on that novel mostly to goad my teacher who was really into Shakespeare when she said we could write on any book we wanted. :P
She groaned but I still got a good grade.
My middle school English teacher did that. He gave us a minimum length for the book and let us do the rest. Ended up with everything from LOTR to A Clockwork Orange to a Star Wars EU novel.
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It wasn't just Voyager, either. Jamake Highwater wrote so many books, is mentioned in credits on so many historical texts, made or advised so many documentaries, that today a big part of scholarly work in Native American studies is just trying to figure out how much damage this guy and people like him did, and how much of what we know is actually real.
He even helped actual tribes reassemble histories they lost in the 17- and 1800's when their tribes were either dispersed or absorbed into larger tribes, not just destroying any real surviving history in the process but destroying an opportunity for finding what's true and what's fabricated.
A lot of people have done intellectual damage to humanity, but few have managed to so completely corrupt an entire field of study that for years after their death that field exists as much to figure out the extent of the damage they did as to find new knowledge.
He also made Kirk a bit of an egotistical TRIBBLE with a lack of common sense in the Starfleet Academy novel.
Say what you will about JJ Kirk but at least he knows to go to an authority figure when he finds out either something important about the villains or that people are about to step into an evil plot of some kind.
It also sounds like it was just basic tech info any regular joe would have access to. Especially since his taking over the ship was pretty much just taking engineering and turning off the life support systems to incapacitate the crew, and he still needed the crew to run the ship.
Chakotay could have been saved with actually very little change, had they explicitly made him a practitioner of (for example) a 22nd-century New Age religion that included syncretisms of pagan and Native American elements. Then at least if anyone was offended, they would be getting offended at something that was clearly stated to be fiction (and the writers would get even more license by setting the point of origin for this religion in the future).
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