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imadude3imadude3 Member Posts: 825 Arc User
so looking at the command ships, seeing there are three ships for every faction this time, like people have been asking for, for so long!
so im scrolling through the comments on the post, expecting to find most people saying that they are happy that there will finally be a ship for each class, tac, engi, and sci, but what do i find? people complaining that they do not like the design, or people complaining that they cannot upgrade their ships to T6, hell, there was even one post complaining that the Scimi, Oddy, and Bortas cannot use command abilities.

we finally get a pack that satisfies all the things lacking for Romulans and Klingons, which is sci ships and more ships in general, here they come with a pack that does not favor the feds, but instead is equal to both feds, roms, and KDFs, and you guys STILL find TRIBBLE to complain about.
you guys are clearly impossible to satisfy, i bet that, even if they fixed every bug in the game AND balanced PvP to be good, you guys will probably STILL find something to complain about :rolleyes:
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  • gfreeman98gfreeman98 Member Posts: 1,200 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    imadude3 wrote: »
    ...you guys are clearly impossible to satisfy, i bet that, even if they fixed every bug in the game AND balanced PvP to be good, you guys will probably STILL find something to complain about :rolleyes:
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  • bobtheskull99bobtheskull99 Member Posts: 706 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    uh, welcome to the forum
  • matthian1701matthian1701 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    These forums are worthless for serious information. Come here to laugh - nothing more.

    If you want good STO discussion, go to r/sto at Reddit. Criticism is fine there, and well-thought out and civil criticism there is upvoted all the time. The OMG CRAPTIC U SUCK EVERYTHING U DO IS A SLAP IN THE FACE nerd rage (like you find here on the official forums) is downvoted into oblivion, and don't have to read it.

    Devs even post on r/sto all the time because they know every comment they make won't be twisted into something bad, and they won't be ganged up on and personally insulted like they are here.
  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    imadude3 wrote: »
    so looking at the command ships, seeing there are three ships for every faction this time, like people have been asking for, for so long!
    so im scrolling through the comments on the post, expecting to find most people saying that they are happy that there will finally be a ship for each class, tac, engi, and sci, but what do i find? people complaining that they do not like the design, or people complaining that they cannot upgrade their ships to T6, hell, there was even one post complaining that the Scimi, Oddy, and Bortas cannot use command abilities.

    we finally get a pack that satisfies all the things lacking for Romulans and Klingons, which is sci ships and more ships in general, here they come with a pack that does not favor the feds, but instead is equal to both feds, roms, and KDFs, and you guys STILL find TRIBBLE to complain about.
    you guys are clearly impossible to satisfy, i bet that, even if they fixed every bug in the game AND balanced PvP to be good, you guys will probably STILL find something to complain about :rolleyes:

    Please tell me where in the News Release for T6 Command Battlecruisers that there's going to be Science Vessels. Or Carriers. Or Escorts. Or a Bird of Prey for the KDF... These are all Cruisers. And it doesn't fix the gaps of ships in the KDF and Romulans.

    I eagerly await your illuminating answers.
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  • imadude3imadude3 Member Posts: 825 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    These forums are worthless for serious information. Come here to laugh - nothing more.

    If you want good STO discussion, go to r/sto at Reddit. Criticism is fine there, and well-thought out and civil criticism there is upvoted all the time. The OMG CRAPTIC U SUCK EVERYTHING U DO IS A SLAP IN THE FACE nerd rage (like you find here on the official forums) is downvoted into oblivion, and don't have to read it.

    Devs even post on r/sto all the time because they know every comment they make won't be twisted into something bad, and they won't be ganged up on and personally insulted like they are here.

    i will look into that, thank you very much :)
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  • reginamala78reginamala78 Member Posts: 4,593 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    People want the ships that they purchased just a few years ago, advertised as exactly the same purpose, to live up to that purpose, especially since one of those ships is named Enterprise, rather than be expected to buy something new. And they want things to look nice. Doesn't sound hard-to-satisfy to me.
  • imadude3imadude3 Member Posts: 825 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    Please tell me where in the News Release for T6 Command Battlecruisers that there's going to be Science Vessels. Or Carriers. Or Escorts. Or a Bird of Prey for the KDF... These are all Cruisers. And it doesn't fix the gaps of ships in the KDF and Romulans.

    I eagerly await your illuminating answers.

    no it does not fix the gap between ship numbers of the KDF/ROM and FED, but we both know that will never happen, and for the sci part, i am simply talking out of experience, since they have always added a ship for each class with these bundles (dyson, scimi, oddy, bortas, andorian, all have at least one ship that is focused on sci over anything else)
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  • imadude3imadude3 Member Posts: 825 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    People want the ships that they purchased just a few years ago, advertised as exactly the same purpose, to live up to that purpose, especially since one of those ships is named Enterprise, rather than be expected to buy something new. And they want things to look nice. Doesn't sound hard-to-satisfy to me.

    i would just like to input, that the "look nice" part cannot really be used as an argument since beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. when the Avenger came out, the thread was full of people saying that it was ugly, but i thought it was gorgeous :D
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  • crusader2007crusader2007 Member Posts: 1,883 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    imadude3 wrote: »
    so looking at the command ships, seeing there are three ships for every faction this time, like people have been asking for, for so long!
    so im scrolling through the comments on the post, expecting to find most people saying that they are happy that there will finally be a ship for each class, tac, engi, and sci, but what do i find? people complaining that they do not like the design, or people complaining that they cannot upgrade their ships to T6, hell, there was even one post complaining that the Scimi, Oddy, and Bortas cannot use command abilities.

    we finally get a pack that satisfies all the things lacking for Romulans and Klingons, which is sci ships and more ships in general, here they come with a pack that does not favor the feds, but instead is equal to both feds, roms, and KDFs, and you guys STILL find TRIBBLE to complain about.
    you guys are clearly impossible to satisfy, i bet that, even if they fixed every bug in the game AND balanced PvP to be good, you guys will probably STILL find something to complain about :rolleyes:

    You must be new around here...and reading ALL the posts...wow you must LIKE being here.

    Anyway welcome to the jungle!!!





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  • cromarty1cromarty1 Member Posts: 138 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    imadude3 wrote: »
    so looking at the command ships, seeing there are three ships for every faction this time, like people have been asking for, for so long!
    so im scrolling through the comments on the post, expecting to find most people saying that they are happy that there will finally be a ship for each class, tac, engi, and sci, but what do i find? people complaining that they do not like the design, or people complaining that they cannot upgrade their ships to T6, hell, there was even one post complaining that the Scimi, Oddy, and Bortas cannot use command abilities.

    we finally get a pack that satisfies all the things lacking for Romulans and Klingons, which is sci ships and more ships in general, here they come with a pack that does not favor the feds, but instead is equal to both feds, roms, and KDFs, and you guys STILL find TRIBBLE to complain about.
    you guys are clearly impossible to satisfy, i bet that, even if they fixed every bug in the game AND balanced PvP to be good, you guys will probably STILL find something to complain about :rolleyes:

    thay have failed to fix any of the above things you speek of that's why complaining continues even quiting now to find a game not broken is better than a game that more time spent dealing with whats broken then enjoying the game
  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    imadude3 wrote: »
    no it does not fix the gap between ship numbers of the KDF/ROM and FED, but we both know that will never happen, and for the sci part, i am simply talking out of experience, since they have always added a ship for each class with these bundles (dyson, scimi, oddy, bortas, andorian, all have at least one ship that is focused on sci over anything else)

    You don't understand... these are all CRUISERS. These packs are essentially going to be the 2015 version of 2014's DSD pack. Those were all Sci Vessels.

    These BattleCRUISERS are all going to have Cmdr Hybrid Command/ENG stations. Not Cmdr Hybrid TAC or SCI stations. All Engineering. This does not cover the gaps in ship types in the KDF and Rom T6 list.

    Surely your "Experience" saw all this?
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    imadude3 wrote: »
    ...people should not be allowed to have opinions...

    Nah, I'm going to have to disagree there.

    Oh, and can folks stop calling them Battle Cruisers? They're Flight-Deck Cruisers. Hangar, Attract Fire-Shield Frequency Modulation...tada, Flgiht-Deck Cruisers. Battle Cruiser? No Hangar, no Attract Fire - they sport Shield Frequency Modulation, Strategic Maneuvering, and Weapon System Efficiency. Yeah, I'm a stickler for things like that...

    ...which also means not only did Feds have Cruisers and Dreadnought Cruisers, then picked up a Battle Cruiser, but they now also have Flight-Deck Cruisers.

    So yeah, it's closing the gap...of the ships the Feds don't have. :rolleyes:

    EDIT (BEEEEEG EDIT): I just realized something, lol. I totally missed it originally. They can't be Flight-Deck Cruisers...they can mount DCs. So much like the Eclipse Intel Cruiser was its own thing, these Command Battle Cruisers are their own thing...bits and pieces put together, eh? Wonder if the KDF boats will have cloaks and the Rom boats will have battle cloaks...

    ...but yeah, I take it back - these aren't FDCs...they're their own thing. Tricky, Cryptic, tricky...I'll get you next time!
  • reginamala78reginamala78 Member Posts: 4,593 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    imadude3 wrote: »
    i would just like to input, that the "look nice" part cannot really be used as an argument since beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. when the Avenger came out, the thread was full of people saying that it was ugly, but i thought it was gorgeous :D

    I haven't seen one positive comment yet about the Klingon ships, and far more negative than positive about the Fed ones. Compare to the response to say, the Guardian or the Mat'ha or the Samsar, and I think you can generally say some are 'good looking' and some aren't.

    And honestly Cryptic could have simply attached these new Command boffs and Inspiration mechanics to T6 Fleet versions of the Odyssey/Bortasqu/Scimitard and people would have been deafening themselves with the cheering. Instead, this.
  • dongemaharudongemaharu Member Posts: 544 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    So imadude is upset that some people don't find these ships to be attractive. Ok. Well, I want imadude to be happy with my artistic sensibilities, so what can I do to make these ships look less boring? Really. I wish I had no standards of design. Life would be so much easier. How can I be a clone and have the same artistic vision as imadude? I simply must know.
  • vladdievladdie Member Posts: 117 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    I'm just confused d why people are whining about the aesthetic flair if the Klingon ships. Since when has the KDF ever put style over performance? Their ships are ugly but they work and are easily maintained.
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  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    /sarcasm

    Yes, how dare people have their own personal tastes and don't like something you like!!!

    /sarcasm
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  • groomofweirdgroomofweird Member Posts: 1,045 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    Throwing caution to the wind here but I'm totally happy with the new ships. Three shiny new ships for each faction? Each filling a specific career role?
    Yup, totally happy with that, +1 and zero complaints from me :)
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  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    vladdie wrote: »
    I'm just confused d why people are whining about the aesthetic flair if the Klingon ships. Since when has the KDF ever put style over performance? Their ships are ugly but they work and are easily maintained.

    You may be surprised how classic the canon KDF ships are well liked. Vor'Cha, D-7/K'Tinga, Negh'Var, and the B'Rel have an avid following. When you browse around for Star Trek models out there, you'll see these canon ships well represented. Most especially the B'Rel.
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  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    Nah, I'm going to have to disagree there.

    Oh, and can folks stop calling them Battle Cruisers? They're Flight-Deck Cruisers. Hangar, Attract Fire-Shield Frequency Modulation...tada, Flgiht-Deck Cruisers. Battle Cruiser? No Hangar, no Attract Fire - they sport Shield Frequency Modulation, Strategic Maneuvering, and Weapon System Efficiency. Yeah, I'm a stickler for things like that...

    ...which also means not only did Feds have Cruisers and Dreadnought Cruisers, then picked up a Battle Cruiser, but they now also have Flight-Deck Cruisers.

    So yeah, it's closing the gap...of the ships the Feds don't have. :rolleyes:

    Well, that's what it says on their news release, VD. It's what they're officially called :cool:

    "We’re very excited to announce the brand new Tier 6 Command Battlecruisers that will be released soon."

    Hehe
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    vladdie wrote: »
    I'm just confused d why people are whining about the aesthetic flair if the Klingon ships. Since when has the KDF ever put style over performance? Their ships are ugly but they work and are easily maintained.

    KDF ships tend to look like warships, awesome imho - not like the poopsquirt Fed boats...
    ...these look like somebody's mommy or daddy bought them generic Lego as a child and it traumatized them.
    Well, that's what it says on their news release, VD. It's what they're officially called :cool:

    "We’re very excited to announce the brand new Tier 6 Command Battlecruisers that will be released soon."

    Hehe

    Yeah, I went to read the blog...started reading it...and had a WTF moment. :(
  • jarvisandalfredjarvisandalfred Member Posts: 1,549 Bug Hunter
    edited February 2015

    And honestly Cryptic could have simply attached these new Command boffs and Inspiration mechanics to T6 Fleet versions of the Odyssey/Bortasqu/Scimitard and people would have been deafening themselves with the cheering. Instead, this.

    Oh my god the forums if there was a T6 scimitar? Please, there's enough complaints about the T5 on. And then all the complaints 'I just paid for this bundle and for the T5-U Tolkens, and now I have to rebuy it at T6 (a valid complaint, I grant)? You should know, there's no pleasing the forums.
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    I do have to admit, lol, I didn't watch the KDF GIF long enough...there are some variations that are so lolgasm that they make the base configurations look pretty good. ;)
  • farmallmfarmallm Member Posts: 4,630 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    The Fed ships and Romulan ships look great. I could buy one in the future. Love the feature where you can create your own looks.

    However the KDF, looks like something from a Lego movie. Or someone beat to death with an Ugly Stick. So I will never buy that junk. They should kept the same idea like the Mogh. Good thing I hadn't bought one yet. I will buy it over this TRIBBLE.

    Looks is really an opinion. I don't want my KDF warrior flying around in some pile of rubbish.
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  • raptorzsraptorzs Member Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    With respect. I think the ships look great. Gives me ideas for some fun designs... however at $30 per ship, $60 per set per faction? and a generous $120 dollars for the whole set....? Those ships are too expensive. Even if I was a "whale" the price tag is just ridiculous... I would rather Cryptic fix the game and some of the bugs. But what do I know. This puts this ship out of the range of my budget and considering the grind and latest issues with marks and dilithium weekend... For those who want it good for you, for the rest (I speak mostly for myself...) I'll stick to what I have. That is all
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  • nimbullnimbull Member Posts: 1,564 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    I'm actually happy they're releasing 3 ships for KDF and 3 for Romulans. Bout damn time really and they should have done this when they initially released Delta Rising. They didn't, but it is nice to see they're starting to do it the right way. I hope they keep that up and go back and update the intell offerings equally.
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  • reginamala78reginamala78 Member Posts: 4,593 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    Oh my god the forums if there was a T6 scimitar? Please, there's enough complaints about the T5 on. And then all the complaints 'I just paid for this bundle and for the T5-U Tolkens, and now I have to rebuy it at T6 (a valid complaint, I grant)? You should know, there's no pleasing the forums.

    Oh there's no doubt it would be stupidly broken, more absurd than this game already is. But if they did a T6 upgrade to the Bortasqu and Odyssey and didn't included the 'Tard, all the 'Tard pilots would flip out, and to be fair it IS the Rom flagship. I mean I have zero respect for 'Tards and 'Tard pilots, but fair is fair even when its unpleasant, and I really do think people would be thrilled if they could simply upgrade their Odysseys and Bortasqus for just a 5U token and Fleet Module and put those starbase shipyards to use rather than the 'buy everything again!' idiocy Cryptic is trying to push.
  • lucho80lucho80 Member Posts: 6,600 Bug Hunter
    edited February 2015
    imadude3 wrote: »
    you guys are clearly impossible to satisfy, i bet that, even if they fixed every bug in the game AND balanced PvP to be good, you guys will probably STILL find something to complain about :rolleyes:

    Lol, if they did those 2, I would be happy.

    As for the ships, they look fine to me visually, but we haven't seen the stats yet. Regardless, not something I would buy. I don't want to catch a VD.
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    lucho80 wrote: »
    I don't want to catch a VD.

    VirusDancer says, "Don't catch a VD this VD!" ;)
  • sonnikkusonnikku Member Posts: 77 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    It seems no matter how much Cryptic nerfs dil/ec/marks/neurals or how many bugs they introduce or leave in the game or how much gameplay they convert into grinds that the players are just never satisfied.
  • erei1erei1 Member Posts: 4,081 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    imadude3 wrote: »
    i bet that, even if they fixed every bug in the game AND balanced PvP to be good, you guys will probably STILL find something to complain about :rolleyes:
    Except instead of fixing bugs and balance PVP (not that I care much about pvp, but whatever), they are releasing ships. Which is something entirely different.

    Basically, you meet someone who is very hungry and complain about that. As a good guy, you give him water. Since he is still hungry, he keeps complaining, and you argue he will never be happy.


    Anyway, since you rant against rants, do you think I can open rant against rant against rant threads ? So you might open rant against rant against rants against rants threads.
    I enjoy this kind of thread. It's like farting in the air to fight the wind. It's poetic, childish and completely useless.
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