Unfortunately, the people who really matter in the company don't even see these threads.
I feel super sorry for the community managers... They are really just the bait for all the flames.
Come on, what "news" do these threads really hold for the developers?
It would be quite obvious to anyone on the dev team that players don't want to earn less Dilithium for turning in marks on Dilithium events.
Why do they do it anyway?
Because they want players to play the game actively on dilithium weekends. They want us to get into the queues, they want us to do into war zones, and all that. They don't want you sitting to automate your mark-turn-ins all day and hop characters, while some other players that specificially came back to the game for an event like this find only empty queues and battle zones.
The only thing that could convince them to do otherwise if the change actually hurts player numbers. But if it actually leads to more queue and zone activity and to get some players to be retained for longer...
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As long as it's free to play, they are entitled to everything they don't pay for. An entitlement is something earned. When there is no fixed cost to earn it, other than time, one is entitled to it by simply showing up to the game and pushing buttons. They take nothing for granted. They simple take what is granted to them freely. In the past, they were freely granted 50% bump ups on turned in marks. That grant was revoked. They didn't like. For the record, I don't like it either. I saved up thousands myself. I still got my refining cap. It's all I am granted to begin with. (I really hate this word too) That is exactly what I am entitled to.
Well said. Its nice to see some logic and common sense for a change.
At the same time Cryptic are entitled to change the conditions of their service, and to turn a profit on their product/service which these people are taking for granted...
The problem arises when those with an entitlement mentality believe that Cryptic do not have the right to change the conditions of the FREE service they provide, and then take to the forum, zone chat etc, cursing out Cryptic for their actions as if Cryptic have some how robbed those players of something...
When these people are NOT paying, they have no reason to behave as if they have been robbed... They have not spent money to be robbed of...
This is where their sense of entitlement becomes a problem... In their minds they truly believe they are entitled to every aspect of STO without spending any money, which is true, but they then apparently believe that Cryptic are NOT entitled to change their product in a way which increases STO's profitability...
Hate to break it to you but people who are milking a F2P title for all it's worth, simply because they can and have done for however long, who then rant and rave because something changes that reduces their ability to play for free, really don't have much to cry about...
If they honestly feel they are right to then slag Cryptic off, that's beyond being reasonable and a blatant entitlement mentality...
They're akin to welfare bludgers who cry foul when ever the government tries to get them working... Such people are happy to leech of the tax payer, but refuse to put in anything themselves...
Same thing with STO, those F2P players who outright refuse to spend money, then complain when Cryptic try and turn a dollar, really have no basis for their complaints...
Same thing with STO, those F2P players who outright refuse to spend money, then complain when Cryptic try and turn a dollar, really have no basis for their complaints...
Here is what your not getting bro the players who play the game as free to play give the people who pay to play a reason to pay for the game. If you take out the free to play players then you mind as well drop the F2P title.
Believe it or not free to play players still do bring in revenue even if they never paid a single dime on the game at all. The idea is to have others pay for them which is where the dil exchange comes into play.
At the same time Cryptic are entitled to change the conditions of their service, and to turn a profit on their product/service which these people are taking for granted...
The problem arises when those with an entitlement mentality believe that Cryptic do not have the right to change the conditions of the FREE service they provide, and then take to the forum, zone chat etc, cursing out Cryptic for their actions as if Cryptic have some how robbed those players of something...
When these people are NOT paying, they have no reason to behave as if they have been robbed... They have not spent money to be robbed of...
This is where their sense of entitlement becomes a problem... In their minds they truly believe they are entitled to every aspect of STO without spending any money, which is true, but they then apparently believe that Cryptic are NOT entitled to change their product in a way which increases STO's profitability...
Hate to break it to you but people who are milking a F2P title for all it's worth, simply because they can and have done for however long, who then rant and rave because something changes that reduces their ability to play for free, really don't have much to cry about...
If they honestly feel they are right to then slag Cryptic off, that's beyond being reasonable and a blatant entitlement mentality...
They're akin to welfare bludgers who cry foul when ever the government tries to get them working... Such people are happy to leech of the tax payer, but refuse to put in anything themselves...
Same thing with STO, those F2P players who outright refuse to spend money, then complain when Cryptic try and turn a dollar, really have no basis for their complaints...
In as much as it is possible, both are true. I didn't mean to imply you are wrong, just that I see their point as well. Here is why. I can only speak for myself here but although I didn't like it, I agreed with what he said they did it for. I shrugged and cashed them in anyway. My opinion is simply that I can only refine 8500 a day. Even with double rewards, it just changes the time I spend on it. I still stop at 8500 or slightly above if I don't want to bother with it tomorrow. But, again, that's just me.
I'm honestly beginning to feel that these recent changes, and I'm more referring to the changes to STFs and the like, are more akin to punishments for the players than anything. They don't really make much sense. Who thinks cutting rewards down for STFs, giving them a longer cooldown to do them again, and making them even harder at the same time means people will start flocking to do them?
As a player who's been here near-constantly since beta, I've gotta say...that's not really giving me much incentive to invest in playing that content.
Here is what your not getting bro the players who play the game as free to play give the people who pay to play a reason to pay for the game. If you take out the free to play players then you mind as well drop the F2P title.
Believe it or not free to play players still do bring in revenue even if they never paid a single dime on the game at all. The idea is to have others pay for them which is where the dil exchange comes into play.
Not quite what I was meaning, and I understand the benefits of F2P players playing along side paying players...
I was more making the point that it's a bit rich of those people who never pay a cent to then arch up when Cryptic change the conditions of their F2P service, in order to increase revenue... As I said, some actually seem to have the mentality that Cryptic are some how robbing them by adding dilithium sinks... They're not paying to begin with, how can Cryptic be taking money off them!?
They're still getting their game for free, yet feel entirely righteous in their, in some cases outright abuse, and criticism of Cryptic for doing so...
In as much as it is possible, both are true. I didn't mean to imply you are wrong, just that I see their point as well. Here is why. I can only speak for myself here but although I didn't like it, I agreed with what he said they did it for. I shrugged and cashed them in anyway. My opinion is simply that I can only refine 8500 a day. Even with double rewards, it just changes the time I spend on it. I still stop at 8500 or slightly above if I don't want to bother with it tomorrow. But, again, that's just me.
I can fully understand such people being frustrated about changes to a free service that seem to restrict their access to that free service... I really can...
I just really don't agree with the attitude that some F2P players have when they jump onto the forums, or zone chat, and then rant and rave about how Cryptic have some how ripped them off...
The current changes to the dilithium event are a prime example... These people have lost nothing - NOTHING - physically with the change, yet to read some posts, you'd think Cryptic had just taken money out of their wallets...
At the same time Cryptic are entitled to change the conditions of their service, and to turn a profit on their product/service which these people are taking for granted...
The problem arises when those with an entitlement mentality believe that Cryptic do not have the right to change the conditions of the FREE service they provide, and then take to the forum, zone chat etc, cursing out Cryptic for their actions as if Cryptic have some how robbed those players of something...
When these people are NOT paying, they have no reason to behave as if they have been robbed... They have not spent money to be robbed of...
This is where their sense of entitlement becomes a problem... In their minds they truly believe they are entitled to every aspect of STO without spending any money, which is true, but they then apparently believe that Cryptic are NOT entitled to change their product in a way which increases STO's profitability...
Hate to break it to you but people who are milking a F2P title for all it's worth, simply because they can and have done for however long, who then rant and rave because something changes that reduces their ability to play for free, really don't have much to cry about...
If they honestly feel they are right to then slag Cryptic off, that's beyond being reasonable and a blatant entitlement mentality...
They're akin to welfare bludgers who cry foul when ever the government tries to get them working... Such people are happy to leech of the tax payer, but refuse to put in anything themselves...
Same thing with STO, those F2P players who outright refuse to spend money, then complain when Cryptic try and turn a dollar, really have no basis for their complaints...
Why are you so interested in Cryptic's profit margin? Are you a Cryptic/PWE employee? Family or friend of a Cryptic/PWE employee? Own a large amount of PWE stock perhaps?
Why are you so interested in Cryptic's profit margin? Are you a Cryptic/PWE employee? Family or friend of a Cryptic/PWE employee? Own a large amount of PWE stock perhaps?
None of the above... I understand and accept that, as a business, Cryptic have a right to turn a profit and, if they don't, they will shut down the servers...
My interest in their profits only goes so far as them keeping the lights on so that I can continue to play a game I actually enjoy...
It is not misplaced "entitlement" to expect what one is promised. It is reasonable expectation. And we F2P players do lose our time and emotional investment, even if we don't pay money. For the record our hours of game time represent opportunity costs (since some seem to measure all things in **** terms like that). And our emotional investment is something we could be spending elsewhere on a company willing to earn it.
Free-to-play represents people for the pay-to-play types to play with - an essential service for a MMO game. That's their contribution to the game. How incredibly dense and arrogant will you be when there is no one left to play with? If all you ever do is deride and vilify the people you play with, don't be surprised if they stop playing with you - no matter how much spending power you sink into an empty game.
The only real sense of entitlement I see in all this, is the sense of entitlement those who vilify free-to-play types exhibit, as if you have some moral higher ground from which to pitch vitriol at others. You don't. You just aren't that special. Maybe the F2P players should start charging the P2P players for their time. Maybe that will clean up your miserable, self-righteous, sanctimonious attitude.
Cryptic does not have "a right to turn a profit." They have a right to *try.*
Companies try to turn a profit by appealing to some consumers or other. Game companies seek to provide the product (entertainment) the consumer will pay for.
That's how it really works. So put aside your cereal box definition of "entitlement" and try looking at the real situation..
Not quite what I was meaning, and I understand the benefits of F2P players playing along side paying players...
I was more making the point that it's a bit rich of those people who never pay a cent to then arch up when Cryptic change the conditions of their F2P service, in order to increase revenue... As I said, some actually seem to have the mentality that Cryptic are some how robbing them by adding dilithium sinks... They're not paying to begin with, how can Cryptic be taking money off them!?
They're still getting their game for free, yet feel entirely righteous in their, in some cases outright abuse, and criticism of Cryptic for doing so...
I can fully understand such people being frustrated about changes to a free service that seem to restrict their access to that free service... I really can...
I just really don't agree with the attitude that some F2P players have when they jump onto the forums, or zone chat, and then rant and rave about how Cryptic have some how ripped them off...
The current changes to the dilithium event are a prime example... These people have lost nothing - NOTHING - physically with the change, yet to read some posts, you'd think Cryptic had just taken money out of their wallets...
The only thing that is going on here is miss communication as always or no bother to communicate at all. Cryptic has become famous for this now and it's also my only issue with them. If they would simplely tell us exactly how things will go not wait at the last min just as though we are just to accept it and be fine with it. "they just wanna do the updates and not tell us about it until its updated "then say oh just deal it"" Then they just #close-web-browser and move on with their day.
I know some people can't hold in their personal feels about a company and like to take their stream of justice and put out the fire of trinity. (if you get the joke)
i was also disappointed. I worked hard to get rep up on one of my toons. The increase would have helped get a piece of gear. However some of you are right about content being played. Dino hunting still remains one of the ways to get dilithium during the event if you don't have client crashes keeping you from finishing...
It is not misplaced "entitlement" to expect what one is promised. It is reasonable expectation. And we F2P players do lose our time and emotional investment, even if we don't pay money. For the record our hours of game time represent opportunity costs (since some seem to measure all things in **** terms like that). And our emotional investment is something we could be spending elsewhere on a company willing to earn it.
Sorry, but you do not 'lose your time and emotional investment' because the manner in which the developer chooses to profit from their game changes... Your 'time and emotional investment' are still there, as it was before what ever change was made... To rant and rave that you can no longer get things for free as easily as you did before smacks of entitlement... You're still have the items you got for free, and are still not being forced to pay, not real money, for new items...
The only real sense of entitlement I see in all this, is the sense of entitlement those who vilify free-to-play types exhibit, as if you have some moral higher ground from which to pitch vitriol at others. You don't.
I don't vilify F2P players... I have vilified (to use your term) the entitled behaviour of certain F2P players, there is a marked difference...
You just aren't that special. Maybe the F2P players should start charging the P2P players for their time. Maybe that will clean up your miserable, self-righteous, sanctimonious attitude.
That is just hilarious... Truly, best laugh I've had all day...
If your time is so valuable to you, maybe you shouldn't be wasting it on internet spaceships?
The only real sense of entitlement I see in all this, is the sense of entitlement those who vilify free-to-play types exhibit, as if you have some moral higher ground from which to pitch vitriol at others. You don't. You just aren't that special. Maybe the F2P players should start charging the P2P players for their time. Maybe that will clean up your miserable, self-righteous, sanctimonious attitude.
Man so close then that last paragraph killed it all for you.......... oh well....
I was more making the point that it's a bit rich of those people who never pay a cent to then arch up when Cryptic change the conditions of their F2P service, in order to increase revenue... As I said, some actually seem to have the mentality that Cryptic are some how robbing them by adding dilithium sinks... They're not paying to begin with, how can Cryptic be taking money off them!?
They're still getting their game for free, yet feel entirely righteous in their, in some cases outright abuse, and criticism of Cryptic for doing so...
In the end, the F2P crowd IS paying. They're paying by being present, playing and thereby creating the infrastructure and the setting for the crowd that's paying real money. I've a close relative who has worked for two of the larger-sized, browser-based F2P games and he explained that this is how they view their F2P player base. The F2P-dude is paying, by creating the EC/doffs/boffs/items via farming/drops, with which he enables the "payer" to take shortcuts, he's paying by creating an opponent or team-mate for the "payer" in the queues.
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Come on, what "news" do these threads really hold for the developers?
It would be quite obvious to anyone on the dev team that players don't want to earn less Dilithium for turning in marks on Dilithium events.
Why do they do it anyway?
Because they want players to play the game actively on dilithium weekends. They want us to get into the queues, they want us to do into war zones, and all that. They don't want you sitting to automate your mark-turn-ins all day and hop characters, while some other players that specificially came back to the game for an event like this find only empty queues and battle zones.
The only thing that could convince them to do otherwise if the change actually hurts player numbers. But if it actually leads to more queue and zone activity and to get some players to be retained for longer...
At the same time Cryptic are entitled to change the conditions of their service, and to turn a profit on their product/service which these people are taking for granted...
The problem arises when those with an entitlement mentality believe that Cryptic do not have the right to change the conditions of the FREE service they provide, and then take to the forum, zone chat etc, cursing out Cryptic for their actions as if Cryptic have some how robbed those players of something...
When these people are NOT paying, they have no reason to behave as if they have been robbed... They have not spent money to be robbed of...
This is where their sense of entitlement becomes a problem... In their minds they truly believe they are entitled to every aspect of STO without spending any money, which is true, but they then apparently believe that Cryptic are NOT entitled to change their product in a way which increases STO's profitability...
Hate to break it to you but people who are milking a F2P title for all it's worth, simply because they can and have done for however long, who then rant and rave because something changes that reduces their ability to play for free, really don't have much to cry about...
If they honestly feel they are right to then slag Cryptic off, that's beyond being reasonable and a blatant entitlement mentality...
They're akin to welfare bludgers who cry foul when ever the government tries to get them working... Such people are happy to leech of the tax payer, but refuse to put in anything themselves...
Same thing with STO, those F2P players who outright refuse to spend money, then complain when Cryptic try and turn a dollar, really have no basis for their complaints...
Here is what your not getting bro the players who play the game as free to play give the people who pay to play a reason to pay for the game. If you take out the free to play players then you mind as well drop the F2P title.
Believe it or not free to play players still do bring in revenue even if they never paid a single dime on the game at all. The idea is to have others pay for them which is where the dil exchange comes into play.
In as much as it is possible, both are true.
... this one must have been pre-approved then ...
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
As a player who's been here near-constantly since beta, I've gotta say...that's not really giving me much incentive to invest in playing that content.
Not quite what I was meaning, and I understand the benefits of F2P players playing along side paying players...
I was more making the point that it's a bit rich of those people who never pay a cent to then arch up when Cryptic change the conditions of their F2P service, in order to increase revenue... As I said, some actually seem to have the mentality that Cryptic are some how robbing them by adding dilithium sinks... They're not paying to begin with, how can Cryptic be taking money off them!?
They're still getting their game for free, yet feel entirely righteous in their, in some cases outright abuse, and criticism of Cryptic for doing so...
I can fully understand such people being frustrated about changes to a free service that seem to restrict their access to that free service... I really can...
I just really don't agree with the attitude that some F2P players have when they jump onto the forums, or zone chat, and then rant and rave about how Cryptic have some how ripped them off...
The current changes to the dilithium event are a prime example... These people have lost nothing - NOTHING - physically with the change, yet to read some posts, you'd think Cryptic had just taken money out of their wallets...
Why are you so interested in Cryptic's profit margin? Are you a Cryptic/PWE employee? Family or friend of a Cryptic/PWE employee? Own a large amount of PWE stock perhaps?
None of the above... I understand and accept that, as a business, Cryptic have a right to turn a profit and, if they don't, they will shut down the servers...
My interest in their profits only goes so far as them keeping the lights on so that I can continue to play a game I actually enjoy...
Free-to-play represents people for the pay-to-play types to play with - an essential service for a MMO game. That's their contribution to the game. How incredibly dense and arrogant will you be when there is no one left to play with? If all you ever do is deride and vilify the people you play with, don't be surprised if they stop playing with you - no matter how much spending power you sink into an empty game.
The only real sense of entitlement I see in all this, is the sense of entitlement those who vilify free-to-play types exhibit, as if you have some moral higher ground from which to pitch vitriol at others. You don't. You just aren't that special. Maybe the F2P players should start charging the P2P players for their time. Maybe that will clean up your miserable, self-righteous, sanctimonious attitude.
Companies try to turn a profit by appealing to some consumers or other. Game companies seek to provide the product (entertainment) the consumer will pay for.
That's how it really works. So put aside your cereal box definition of "entitlement" and try looking at the real situation..
The only thing that is going on here is miss communication as always or no bother to communicate at all. Cryptic has become famous for this now and it's also my only issue with them. If they would simplely tell us exactly how things will go not wait at the last min just as though we are just to accept it and be fine with it. "they just wanna do the updates and not tell us about it until its updated "then say oh just deal it"" Then they just #close-web-browser and move on with their day.
I know some people can't hold in their personal feels about a company and like to take their stream of justice and put out the fire of trinity. (if you get the joke)
Then I salute you.
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Sorry, but you do not 'lose your time and emotional investment' because the manner in which the developer chooses to profit from their game changes... Your 'time and emotional investment' are still there, as it was before what ever change was made... To rant and rave that you can no longer get things for free as easily as you did before smacks of entitlement... You're still have the items you got for free, and are still not being forced to pay, not real money, for new items...
I don't vilify F2P players... I have vilified (to use your term) the entitled behaviour of certain F2P players, there is a marked difference...
That is just hilarious... Truly, best laugh I've had all day...
If your time is so valuable to you, maybe you shouldn't be wasting it on internet spaceships?
Man so close then that last paragraph killed it all for you.......... oh well....
In the end, the F2P crowd IS paying. They're paying by being present, playing and thereby creating the infrastructure and the setting for the crowd that's paying real money. I've a close relative who has worked for two of the larger-sized, browser-based F2P games and he explained that this is how they view their F2P player base. The F2P-dude is paying, by creating the EC/doffs/boffs/items via farming/drops, with which he enables the "payer" to take shortcuts, he's paying by creating an opponent or team-mate for the "payer" in the queues.