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Cryptic can do no right
prierin
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One of the things I have learned by spending (far too many) hours on these forums is that it doesnt matter what Cryptic Devs say or do. Unless they give EVERYTHING away for free or wave the white flag and allow any and all exploits as functional game content, they can never win with some people. Keep in mind, I am not 100% on Cryptics side. There are plenty of genuine issues that need to be addressed and I am, as always, hopeful that the new change in leadership will see that some of these are, in fact, finally addressed.
As far as the dilithium issue, I agree, for the most part, that given the raw dependence on refined dilithium for just about EVERYTHING in the game it should defiantly NOT be nerfed. On top of that, the daily refined limit should go from 8K to 10K minimum. I do not want to believe that Cryptic is attempting to force cash sales by making Dil such a high demand in-game item and lower the capabilities of gaining said item in-game. That would be a complete bowl of steaming bantha fodder.
But that aside, it seems every time Cryptic posts/releases anything the forums light up like a Christmas tree with WTF comments and a tsunami of negativity.
Is there anything Cryptic can do, aside from giving everything away for free, they can do that will finally place the naysayers in a corner with nothing to complain about?
I doubt it.
This is the nature of a F2P game, folks. The overall gameplay remains free but it is dependant on the cash sales to keep it afloat. I dont appreciate bold cashgrabs, etc. any more than the next guy, and if this were still a sub game we wouldnt have these issues so were pretty much left with a single slice of cake like it or eat it, but you cant have both.
As far as the dilithium issue, I agree, for the most part, that given the raw dependence on refined dilithium for just about EVERYTHING in the game it should defiantly NOT be nerfed. On top of that, the daily refined limit should go from 8K to 10K minimum. I do not want to believe that Cryptic is attempting to force cash sales by making Dil such a high demand in-game item and lower the capabilities of gaining said item in-game. That would be a complete bowl of steaming bantha fodder.
But that aside, it seems every time Cryptic posts/releases anything the forums light up like a Christmas tree with WTF comments and a tsunami of negativity.
Is there anything Cryptic can do, aside from giving everything away for free, they can do that will finally place the naysayers in a corner with nothing to complain about?
I doubt it.
This is the nature of a F2P game, folks. The overall gameplay remains free but it is dependant on the cash sales to keep it afloat. I dont appreciate bold cashgrabs, etc. any more than the next guy, and if this were still a sub game we wouldnt have these issues so were pretty much left with a single slice of cake like it or eat it, but you cant have both.
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Noone would ever complain if they did the following:
- bug fixes
- balance fixes
- pvp updates (leaderboard, matchmaking)
Nerfing things, after nerfing things, after nerfing stuff ... on the other hand ... of course everyone is happy ...
Here is the thing, Cryptic has decided, that they need to make a whole bunch of unpopular changes in a very short span.
Now, if they had sprinkled these changes in, while actually doing something good to the game, you would see FAR less complaining on the forums.
The problem is, this game is poorly managed, and on the path its on right now, it's going to crash in a burning pile of smelly pig poo.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
*you come to the obvious conclusion that they hate everything about the game and Cryptic and PWE and life and that it impossible to do anything that will ever make them remotely happy*
I see your logic there. It's just not very good.
Much of the complaints recently have been about changes to a system that wasn't really complained about in the first place (i.e. converting marks to dil), which all by itself makes your entire premise faulty.
It's generally not a good idea to make broad generalizations on these forums.
Right, Cryptic keeps nerfing everything into the ground and turning the game into a constant uphill grind..
But it's the players fault.
With twisted and backward logic like that, you should apply to be a Dev.. you would fit right in.
you have to admit the OP has a point
can't help but notice that among all the rage about the "dil nerf" there's not one thread pointing out the ESD and Bajor bug fixes (umless my daily completion earlier today was a fluke) I know its a small thing by comparison but I would have thought SOMEONE would have said something
Secondly, I never blamed the players. I *would* never blame the players.
Lastly, Im not the one painting with broad strokes here. EVERY decision Cryptic makes, from nerfs to free ships to what have you, is received by complaints, usually by the same people.
I dont like nerfs and I dont like working game content to suddenly be called an exploit. I DONT like the fact that nearly every aspect of this game is dependent upon dilithium which seems to be getting harder and harder to obtain without spending real cash (which I refuse to do). However, I am not about to race off with the rabble rousers every time Cryptic opens their mouth.
There are many, myself included, who want increased and transparent communication from Cryptic. The new leadership has taken the reins on this and has actively put pout a statement. Granted, it was concerning a potential nerf and received appropriate flameage. My point, however, is just how long can we expect this kind of communication if everything said results in a towering inferno on the forums?
Are you serious ? Yes every decision is received by complaints, but some decisons are received with "one" or "few" complaints (Sector Space Revamp i.E.), while others set the Forums on fire ... if you're just putting them all together, without any distinction, that's the textbook definition of "painting with broad strokes" ...
I think that in this, Mr. Ricossa has passed the first test.
The second and critical long-run test will be a sustained turnaround in communication, quality and player experience, to show that this is a permanent commitment and one that will be backed by action.
But disappointed as I am in what has happened, Cryptic's handling of it *does* at least seem...out of step with prior patterns, and not in a bad way.
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As you say. I'm not going to get into a senseless debate over semantics here.
Cryptic can do right, and often hit the ball out of the park. The content recently has been spectacular. But when the number of bugs (Yeah, I just clicked emergency power to shields before I entered a STF so that they'd show up sometime in the game) actually prevent you from enjoying said game you pay for (I do), the criticism is worth it and warranted.
I would say he has NOT.
It is well within his power to honour the old 'deal' for one last time (he extended the 'new deal' for an extra week after all)
I would say he has no more ethics than the last EP - he should have made 'good' on what was 'promised' (differing blog posts non-withstanding) and at the very least allow players to cash in thier tokens this weekend.
I know I had this situation in retail where there would be a foul up and for whatever reason I was not able to revert whatever had happened completely (sometimes in my line of work material or time costs were the culprit...other times it was systems-enforced restrictions on employees' powers to give discounts or alter transactions)--but when that occurred I had to do what was done here which was take personal responsibility for the error, acknowledge the validity of the customer's feelings, and try to do *something* meaningful to fix it even if there was a reason for not remedying the whole thing.
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Right now I'll give him the benefit of a doubt, and I don't think it was "his decision" anyway ... he's probably still busy gettin used to his new job ...
Assuming he is still dealing with "old TRIBBLE", I think he did wonderful ...
You're probably mixing it up with the Bonus Mark Weekend, and since they nerfed that just a few months ago ... it was kind of predictable ... still doesn't make it right, though ...
PS : Oh boy 3 people supporting Ricossa already ... I guess this Thread isn't going too well for the OP ... since "Mr. Ricossa is part of Cryptic, and can "do no right" ...
Is it that much of a problem? Is everyone hoarding tokens in that number that it makes it that much difference? You can still only refine 8K per day, drop by the Voth BZ for some 8K dil in 20mins and done. Unless of course you are doing a full years worth of Dil quota in one event...
I definitely don't defend Cryptic, but Ricossa's response to the situation has been professional and fast. Something I've not seen from STO's Management before.
"You don't have to do something again and again and again repetitive that doesn't have much challange, that's just a general good gameplay thing."
I'd say he's made some good steps, if not necessarily the right ones.
After all, he's already done two things the previous EP didn't - made a timely response, and offered a not insignificant gesture of good will in the form of extending a weekend event - and not just any weekend event, but arguably the most valuable one.
D'Angelo wouldn't have said word one about it, let alone extended the event. Absolute best case, we'd've gotten a pre-written apology through another dev, or maybe Smirk.
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Fair enough, everyone is entitled to their opinion. I'm not going to bother commenting on any further threads regarding this, as Askray has decided they are 'tedious' and is now closing them.
I guess the discussion is over.
They could start by getting their things right when they state the changes. Or even state things well a week ahead a time at least so that if things do change they have the time to actually change the update information before it actually goes up. I mean thats like me going to my work and have 3 people do a presentation and then tell them at the last min to change a few things to make it look better.
I have a feeling that's exactly what happened here. Someone up top wanted changes and expected the people who are suppose to make those changes do them and make the appropriate changes to the information. What happen was those changes where applied, but not communicated for the others to understand the presentation.
That said, I don't really endorse the complete ******* attitude towards Cryptic's developers, nor the refusal to accept that some nerfs actually did make sense - including the Dilithium one, which was essentially just fixing an exploit.
Yes there was some things that where expected, but sometimes the way they apply those things are not communicated well or not even communicated at all. Would you like it if I tell you something on the same day then change my mind and tell you something else instead and expect you to accept it/do it.
The idea I am getting from cryptic is "either accept it or leave attitude" I have seen many games with this same attitude and just about everyone of them have died and been forgotten.
A moderator called Askray just closed a thread discussing how many people are or have stopped donating real money. There were amost 30 posts so far
Sorry that you think our concerns are "Tedious". I am starting to feel the same about this game, and your comment does not help.
No it is not tedious Askray. This is the final straw, and your actions make me more determined not to donate a damn cent to this game.
The post was meant to guage in a single thread how your paying customers are feeling, and as you can see before you closed the thread ... not happy. You want to stick your head in the sand and pretend this does not exist ... fine.
You want to call a thread discussing something your EP personally apologised for this evening "tedious". Not only insulting but you obviously are not consulting with the damage control team there at Cryptic right now.
+20 karma my exact point.
Why isn't karma a thing here......
I think I've been fairly forward about my attitudes on both sides of the F2P fence.
F2P is nice because it brings in revenue and because it can keep players from completely quitting even when they don't pay. The downside seems to be that it micromanages your gameplay.
Subs are nice because of the incentive structure on developers to let players have a lot of autonomy of style, to support diverse playstyles, and generally to cater to whatever gets players to stick around. The downside is that it's socially disruptive when they don't and it costs real money, which can be divisive or which can lose you when you get bored.
With a few provisos, I'd like a true hybrid game where all content is free to access but where paying a subscription absolves a player from all behavior management/timegating on the part of developers. I don't for a second think that would be easy to design or manage but I think true F2P/sub hybrid is POSSIBLE and WORTHWHILE.
A genuine hybrid approach would be a fresh change. However, I can't think of a single real example of such a creature. Can you?
Apparently, you "can do no right", either :P