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4 hours every day = 8k Dilithium
wardcalis
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Thats basically what Geko said in his recent interview with Priority One podcast. He said the Dilithium is set up in the game and fully designed to be rewarded in the following manner.
"480 Dilithium for every 15 minutes of play." This means to reach the daily cap of 8k you would play for more than 4 hours a day.
I dunno about the rest of you my but my weekly play is about 15 hours a week combined across all of my characters.
And even though he didn't give specific numbers on on exp he claimed ot was to be a time gate the same way Dil is.
I can understand Dil being time gated, after all it can be directly converted to Zen, even though I think 480=15min is rather ridiculous. But not exp. I honestly think that once you hit 60 you should have something like 6 times the normal exp income rate until you have at least 1 primary spec tree filled. Because it's rather ridiculous how long it takes to fill out those spec trees. I don't think I've ever gotten more 3 points in a week. And anytime I got 2 a week was because I was off work. I'm very lucky If I get 1 point a week. They should introduce a 'rested exp' for this system slimier to other major MMOs. it would help this kind of system tremendously without being easily breakable.
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Argala is fast yes but annoying in how many runs need to be done to level. Takes something like 12-15 runs to level and according to Geko it takes "10 minutes" to run. Also according to Geko it is "double rewarding". So lets do some math.
15 runs x 10 minutes x2 to put it back at normal. this means at level 60 you should expect it to take 3 hours and 20 minutes to gain a spec point. and frankly thats not even the current reality. I don't farm Argala myself, I might 4-6 runs of it a week, hence why it is taking me so long to gain spec points. But still that seems tedious at best. I personally think an hour per point would be much better.
"480 Dilithium for every 15 minutes of play." This means to reach the daily cap of 8k you would play for more than 4 hours a day.
I dunno about the rest of you my but my weekly play is about 15 hours a week combined across all of my characters.
And even though he didn't give specific numbers on on exp he claimed ot was to be a time gate the same way Dil is.
I can understand Dil being time gated, after all it can be directly converted to Zen, even though I think 480=15min is rather ridiculous. But not exp. I honestly think that once you hit 60 you should have something like 6 times the normal exp income rate until you have at least 1 primary spec tree filled. Because it's rather ridiculous how long it takes to fill out those spec trees. I don't think I've ever gotten more 3 points in a week. And anytime I got 2 a week was because I was off work. I'm very lucky If I get 1 point a week. They should introduce a 'rested exp' for this system slimier to other major MMOs. it would help this kind of system tremendously without being easily breakable.
EDIT:
Argala is fast yes but annoying in how many runs need to be done to level. Takes something like 12-15 runs to level and according to Geko it takes "10 minutes" to run. Also according to Geko it is "double rewarding". So lets do some math.
15 runs x 10 minutes x2 to put it back at normal. this means at level 60 you should expect it to take 3 hours and 20 minutes to gain a spec point. and frankly thats not even the current reality. I don't farm Argala myself, I might 4-6 runs of it a week, hence why it is taking me so long to gain spec points. But still that seems tedious at best. I personally think an hour per point would be much better.
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AAA+ Would approve comment again.
Sadly Geko's position didn't change afaik ... Geko =/= D'Angelo ... best you could hope for is, that the EP - Lead Designer relationship, might change "for the better" ...
It's "you GRIND for 4 hours every day or you are wrong".
May not seem like much like it's own, but it adds up overtime and I don't really mind; I'm not in this to hit the cap on anything
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
It's just slow-but-steady
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
But I see a great nerf coming to doffing, in the form of sector block removal. My last great source of income is doffing. If I have to spend 15 minutes for 480 dil, I won't play much anymore. That's one less source of content for the whales and casuals to play with.
We don't know exactly what will happen; no reason to panic this early.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Bit of hyperbole there, "panic". Not panicking here, just looking at relevant past behavior and making a prediction. They've been systematically attacking every form of income in the game for months, and yet when I suggest they'll do it again I'm panicking. Heh.
Doffing seems ripe for a nerf, no? [rhetorical question]
Anyway, I'll concede we don't know anything yet, so my comment about a doffing nerf is pure speculation. My apologies for leading the conversation off topic.
1) Some folks have a really screwed up view of the STO group's organizational chart.
Executive Producer
-various team Leads
--various team Members
2) 480 Dil for 15 minutes of play at the Normal level would go back to Cryptic's Golden Rule of 15 Minute's Effort and 15 Minute's Reward. That's at Normal. More effort...more reward. That's nothing new.
But still, I don't see those same past actions as 'attacks' on the currencies, so I don't really agree on that point (for me, it takes a 'bit' more evidence to count as such, for a lot of things). Also probably because I usually don't mind the effects of nerfs; why let something so trivial (either separately or a ton of them combined) be a big deal? But that's just me - of course there are exceptions, yet still
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Why would you think that? "Turn in contraband" is a 4 hour mission and rewards 2k dil. That's 125 dil per 15 mins.
Anyways I could take a doffing nerf if they put doffing and R&D on Gateway. Like the professions in NW.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Only if you are doing only one thing at a time to gain Dilithium... If you play it smart, you'd be incorporating Doff missions, ground BZ dailies and the mining dailies...
Hell, it's more than possible - especially KDF side - to reach Dilithium cap through Doffing alone...
I get a ton of contraband from doffing so if I need Dil I can get 20K refined in 4 hours. more if I try to meet the cap on one or two toons.
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Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Yes, and that's why they're baking the doffing nerf. And they will sweeten up that bitter pill with a revamped sector space lol.
10 characters here.4 fed 6 KDF My KDF gets about 15 tp 20 contraband (Ive gotten crits and gotten upwards of 40 on one toon before), per collection of 20 missions. I then split em up across the toons.
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Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Well I'm a total F2Per, so any change of time vs reward which is not in my favor hurts my preferred style of play. I suppose it's just a bias I have against such moves, I perceive them as attacks. Sure, it's a game and if they make it not worth my time I'll go. But again, that's less content for the whales/casuals to experience.
As with most changes since the launch of DR, I feel pretty ambivalent about any plans the devs have.
Which suggests to me that the incredibly low effort vs reward doffing system is over rewarding by a lot.
You're crazy if you don't think they're interested in capping that spigot, not when they're working so hard to Scrooge the rest of the game.
Scrooge the game? Heaven forbid Cryptic try and turn a dollar off their product, not to mention pay the actors that have been reprising their roles of late...
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.