So here's the real problem for Bugship fans- when a JHAS pilot says "I Killed so-and-so" the reaction is "Yeah, so? You're flying a bug, of course you won that fight."
reason is, the base stats were (up to Season 9) good enough that any skill that might be there, is masked by how good the ship is. It's not an accomplishment to get kills with a Bug, it's an embarassment to be defeated while flying one.
and when someone who says that a escort which can use a2b epte3 (because hey thats less defense) is worse than jhas i have to remind that person to check his nOOblet post for bs .
listing ships with cruiser boff slots that can a2b easly ...yea lol
thought you were busy asking for more broken TRIBBLE for cruisers.Your idea of a game now fits well...look at the queues.
shield mod sure helps since s7 everything goes through shields ...especially beams thanks to kirks who cried for more dps from cruisers .
speed tanking is noted when its about bug ships ...escorts which can a2b epts3 don't count cuz "I dont have a bug ,TRIBBLE you for having one"....awesome logic ,but QQing about bugs gets you in the nOOblet category.
what is it with you and cruisers, you think im some kind of cruiser only guy? for the last 2 years im in escorts/raiders/destroyers 75% of the time, and 20% of the time DHC battle cruisers for the lulz.
if i were to set up a dueling escort, the last thing it would have is AtB. it would have conn doffs, damage control doffs and highish aux AtD, cause mobility and on target uptime is everything, not soaking a ton of shots in your EPtS3 buffed shields.
AtB escorts and cruisers are slow, durable and mostly self sufficient for puging solo, they cant touch the mobility of pure AtD escorts. jesus its super sad i have to explain this to you, i though you were gud, but naw, your just hyper defensive whenever the bug gets brought up like your trying to convince yourself.
what is it with you and cruisers, you think im some kind of cruiser only guy? for the last 2 years im in escorts/raiders/destroyers 75% of the time, and 20% of the time DHC battle cruisers for the lulz.
if i were to set up a dueling escort, the last thing it would have is AtB. it would have conn doffs, damage control doffs and highish aux AtD, cause mobility and on target uptime is everything, not soaking a ton of shots in your EPtS3 buffed shields.
AtB escorts and cruisers are slow, durable and mostly self sufficient for puging solo, they cant touch the mobility of pure AtD escorts. jesus its super sad i have to explain this to you, i though you were gud, but naw, your just hyper defensive whenever the bug gets brought up like your trying to convince yourself.
yea they are slow ....Im sure you can also use epte 3 on a bug.Are there 3 posts between that and "but bug has more defense and defense counts" post?
trolling or just trolling?
no you are not cruiser only.You are the main Kirk who cried for "cruisers should do more damage than escorts " over the years.Hey look that happens now if you dont count the broken vaper TRIBBLE.Your idea of game works now brilliant...the queue is full.
Yes bug was all around best escort in game for quite awhile.
However it did not have all these new funky powers that intel ships have,,it was just faster and turned better and had good DPS, ( i know thats what everyone complains about, ok i can understand that) however it did NOT have special powers that no other ships had,,,intel ships do,,,chain disables,,SSs,,ionic,,viral torps, and i know im not naming them all, thats just off the top of my head, plus many of them have cloak now too.
I could only imagine what some of you would say if bug got a cloak, and SSs,,nevermind the cheesy chain disables.
Yes bug was all around best escort in game for quite awhile.
even i said that when I won the bug in the winter event I kept it because it was a upgrade to my patrol escort i used over the years.I still used the patrol escort for awhile and I killed bug ships with it .The difference between that patrol escort and bug is not like the difference between the bug and xindi or other TRIBBLE which is escort and cruiser at the same time.
I cleaned the cnh map with my xindi escort only by spamming spacebar and turning with my mouse (not keys ,just mouse) .It was really hard to keep the targets in the firing range ...that was the hardest part.I guess that is skillZ and fun now and since fun is relative I nolonger play this TRIBBLE.Funny how the queue is empty and those 3 people that still play think the game is fine and everyone else is crazy.
Hilarious. When i flew Fleet Aquarius in PvP people were pissing themselves from laughter when they saw it is indeed aquarius. And i used it with 2 DHC 1 DDB, 3 cluster mines and full omega set. hahaha.
I know you were not a fleet pug stomper, indeed, you were one of us very few that played PUG side on daily basis no matter what and vs whom.
I only ever respected fellow puggers who can pug it in epic fashion and without crying. and there were under 10 such people in game.
Triple Wells, dual Bugs premade pugstompers will forever live on as worst crybaby noobs STO has ever seen.
Honor. can't. be. bought. ****.you.very.much.
But on Bug, stats are stats. Can't be twisted.
@Maximus
Yes, if a Bug was outmaneuvered and killed by any other escort prior to Xindi, it was Bug pilot fault.
And anything that had 5 fore weapons (scimi, andorian) were just a slow trucks that a bug circles twice before those trucks can even change direction.
Granted, scimi could take bug by surprise(because skill i mean, scimi cloak, but that was really tricky to do.
But this game is a ghost to me, Sharx you wont see me logged in.
This new ship is a HUGE CASH COW - saying it isnt...your either working for cryptic or are a huge fanboy still sucking the Teat of PWE and its money grabbing share holders, I'd happily still pay money into the game if they listened to the fan base and actually made worth while changes.
Well, I still log in, and play. I just don't play PvP anymore.
I found myself in shock how much i enjoy ground content. I find it has potential. Much more then space has(or had).
Let's be honest for just a nanosecond here.
Wells, Bug and Voth to an extent were biggest cash cows ever.
And you and others remember those times with nostalgia.
Let's get one more thing straight. C-store ships were never PvP cash cows, only lobi ones were.
I remember very recent pre-DR discussions when some notable fleet PvPers called any C-store ship a liability.
Yep. so this kind of contradicts itself, right?
Nothing changed, well, except for that now c-store ships can beat lobi ships by more people and more frequently.
People here at forums didn't even made such brutal statements when R&D super BS hit.
nope. Only when DR came then the riots started.
Yet R&D did worse things to PvP then DR ever did. But even R&D wasn't the worst thing for PvP.
By peoples reactions now , one would think pre-R&D and pre-DR PvP was balanced. But it was not.
For me, worst thing that ever happened to PvP, ship side, was release of Wells.
I don't care about new lobi ship at all. My t5 ships were always more then enough to kill any NPC or player known to man on my own terms. I never invested much in a PvP ship, I rarely even switched equipment and boff skills between PvE and PvP.
I played around, and I don't feel betrayed as I imagine someone that invested much in his ship's power feels.
I find it funny that people that leave the game "because of grind" come back every major event to: guess what? to grind. I don't see them playing episodes, which are BTW good.
So, yeah, developers of this game don't want to talk to PvPers. They see stats and see that people like to grind. Seeing just a few replies in every thread one can understand why they don't even register what is happening on this side of black hole, but that bad blood is primarily fault of Cryptic because they have ignored large portion of most avid game supporters for such a long time.
yea they are slow ....Im sure you can also use epte 3 on a bug.Are there 3 posts between that and "but bug has more defense and defense counts" post?
trolling or just trolling?
EPtS3 on a bug? what? incoherent or just incoherent?
being out of your opponent's fireing arc counts more then defense score and resistance.
not getting shot > getting shot
he with the highest turn rate and impulse mod is best at that. bug has always had that, but like i said, 5th fore weapon, you don't need to be on target near as much. goal posts are changed, bug finally loses top dueling spot.
no you are not cruiser only.You are the main Kirk who cried for "cruisers should do more damage than escorts " over the years.Hey look that happens now if you dont count the broken vaper TRIBBLE.Your idea of game works now brilliant...the queue is full.
you apparently didn't hear me right. i just say AtB is not op, it just allows all the also rans to compete. and cruisers should probably be better at DPS pressure, a farily ineffective form of damage dealing outside of pve, wile escorts better at spiky damage, a wildly more dangerous form of damage dealing in pvp.
you apparently didn't hear me right. i just say AtB is not op, it just allows all the also rans to compete. and cruisers should probably be better at DPS pressure, a farily ineffective form of damage dealing outside of pve, wile escorts better at spiky damage, a wildly more dangerous form of damage dealing in pvp.
sure a2b is not op , geko is a good game designer and the queue is full....totally agree with that.
You cant get higher than HEs 2, or epts 2 on a bug.
You cant get higher than aux2damp 1 on a bug.
You cant get higher than RSP 1 on a bug.
If anything, why is mobius not considered OP?? It had decent turn and speed, good DPS, and higher sci abilities. And now it has a 5th tac console.
I will admit that the insane speed values some ships have now in arena are just nuts,,its quite annoying, i never have mastered how to fly and shoot properly at insane speeds constantly. What makes me madder is defense values have gone up, and even with high acc i often miss my target. I have an elachi setup, all DHCs have acc x3,,,my ship has something like 38% bonus acc,,plus i have the space ability that stacks acc,,,plus my DBB is accx4,,,yet its nothing for me to miss peeps 50% of the time,,especially with my DBB/BO shot, i have even ran nukara part console which would make DBB at accx5 plus ship bonus acc and STILL miss peeps almost half the time i shoot it, something is wrong with that.
You cant get higher than HEs 2, or epts 2 on a bug.
You cant get higher than aux2damp 1 on a bug.
You cant get higher than RSP 1 on a bug.
If anything, why is mobius not considered OP?? It had decent turn and speed, good DPS, and higher sci abilities. And now it has a 5th tac console.
I will admit that the insane speed values some ships have now in arena are just nuts,,its quite annoying, i never have mastered how to fly and shoot properly at insane speeds constantly. What makes me madder is defense values have gone up, and even with high acc i often miss my target. I have an elachi setup, all DHCs have acc x3,,,my ship has something like 38% bonus acc,,plus i have the space ability that stacks acc,,,plus my DBB is accx4,,,yet its nothing for me to miss peeps 50% of the time,,especially with my DBB/BO shot, i have even ran nukara part console which would make DBB at accx5 plus ship bonus acc and STILL miss peeps almost half the time i shoot it, something is wrong with that.
hey don;t tell him that ...let him find out alone
bug has most speed and then "epte3 is faster than epte 1" and then bug has most speed and then not getting shot > getting shot .....logic ftw
sure a2b is not op , geko is a good game designer and the queue is full....totally agree with that.
if this was pre even LoR, and the ques were as dead as they are now, pvp as ruined as it is now, and all you could really point to was AtB, you you just might have actually made a valid point! i recall PVP being downright prosperous in those day, funny that.
but AtB hasn't killed or even damage pvp for the what 3 years its been out. and hey, thanks to it you can use any low turn rate escort with decent eng seating, or any cruiser and be a decent threat and have decent durability with it, have fun using practically anything without deeply self nerfing yourself
STO pvp the last 2 or 3 years without AtB is pvp with maybe 10 ships even viable, the rest unusably bad and good for nothing. like EVERYTHING regarding STO pvp balance, when it it all sorta works out in the end, its always only by accident.
I wonder how you didn't get banned. Is it my fault for being hated by Cryptic or what? Not that i'm complaining, quite an honor to see they have to use bans like if we are in a dictatorship cause I've stated the obvious truth twice.
bug has most speed and then "epte3 is faster than epte 1" and then bug has most speed and then not getting shot > getting shot .....logic ftw
I see what hes saying about not getting shot as much as a defense.
But bug was not unstoppable.
If you have a bug, or another escort and 1 on 1 a bug, what do you do against a ship trying to do circles around you?
Easy, use a tractor beam, and chroniton mines.
Play a little defense while setting your "speed trap" then hammer his TRIBBLE.
I remember playing bug pilots 1 on 1 in my bug and they would have 2 RCS and it took me a few times of that to figure out why they ran circles around me,,instead of doing the same, i tried to equip things that would slow them down, or hell use sub jump to get behind them after buffing up.
if this was pre even LoR, and the ques were as dead as they are now, pvp as ruined as it is now, and all you could really point to was AtB, you you just might have actually made a valid point! i recall PVP being downright prosperous in those day, funny that.
but AtB hasn't killed or even damage pvp for the what 3 years its been out. and hey, thanks to it you can use any low turn rate escort with decent eng seating, or any cruiser and be a decent threat and have decent durability with it, have fun using practically anything without deeply self nerfing yourself
STO pvp the last 2 or 3 years without AtB is pvp with maybe 10 ships even viable, the rest unusably bad and good for nothing. like EVERYTHING regarding STO pvp balance, when it it all sorta works out in the end, its always only by accident.
the pvp went down when they released the undine escort/cruiser which worked the best with a2b faw dem.Yes a2b killed pvp.Spacebar spam was the thing that killed both casual and premades.
btw we all know a2b means a2b with doffs...don't act like people say a2b alone without doffs.Having everything on global cd only by spamming spacebar is broken.You wanted that and you have that ...now go que up and play pvp .
I wonder how you didn't get banned. Is it my fault for being hated by Cryptic or what? Not that i'm complaining, quite an honor to see they have to use bans like if we are in a dictatorship cause I've stated the obvious truth twice.
wait. We are in a dictatorship.
Your not the first person to get a few days of forum vacation. If you did get a life time ban you wouldn't be the first one there either. You wouldn't even be the first person life banned for a post that didn't get edited, and was responded to by employees. lol
Its no dictatorship though, its simple its there private forums they can do what they want. The fact that they let us come back with new identities is what makes it all laughable.
ever using FPB on a bug. a skill requiring you to be shot to be effective, on the best speed tanking escort, and not instead on something like the best damage soaking escort, that has at elast more then 1(2) sci console, and at least a LTC sci.
lol, edna will take what support he can get though, regardless if its about a bunch of non shortcomings or about how NOT to play to the bugs strengths what so ever.
Your not the first person to get a few days of forum vacation. If you did get a life time ban you wouldn't be the first one there either. You wouldn't even be the first person life banned for a post that didn't get edited, and was responded to by employees. lol
Its no dictatorship though, its simple its there private forums they can do what they want. The fact that they let us come back with new identities is what makes it all laughable.
It's like if as soon as I log in on Lag Industries I abuse of my fleet leader rank to shut up everyone who doesn't share my ideas, kick them permanently and stuff. Thing is I don't do it because having higher privileges doesn't make me more important than those who are below me. In this case deva are perpetrating a dictatorship. killing threads which critique buggy and broken content, because "they're made for trolling".
Same goes on Teamspeak, I don't kick people for what they say... except gio, he's repeatedly kicked by everyone because.... it's the reason why we keep him in Lag.
I miss more my avatar than else honestly. I love my avatar!
the pvp went down when they released the undine escort/cruiser which worked the best with a2b faw dem.Yes a2b killed pvp.Spacebar spam was the thing that killed both casual and premades.
i literally never noticed them, they were so insignificant. but i didn't play in the karrat sandbox much, and dueling a beam boat? thats doing it wrong, and your own fault.
btw we all know a2b means a2b with doffs...don't act like people say a2b alone without doffs.Having everything on global cd only by spamming spacebar is broken.You wanted that and you have that ...now go que up and play pvp .
if i mention AtB, it should of course be assumed i mean w/ tech doffs.
and PVP is dead because everything introduced with DR. mk14 weapons, neutronic torp, iso cannon, tier 6 ships, SS, OSS, IT. literally nothing to do with AtB, many just run reciprocity instead, more pure DR related ruination. its hilarious to hear about the AtB bogyman in 2015 lol.
It's like if as soon as I log in on Lag Industries I abuse of my fleet leader rank to shut up everyone who doesn't share my ideas, kick them permanently and stuff. Thing is I don't do it because having higher privileges doesn't make me more important than those who are below me. In this case deva are perpetrating a dictatorship. killing threads which critique buggy and broken content, because "they're made for trolling".
Same goes on Teamspeak, I don't kick people for what they say... except gio, he's repeatedly kicked by everyone because.... it's the reason why we keep him in Lag.
I miss more my avatar than else honestly. I love my avatar!
Should give an hint for some :P
Sounds like this is your first forum experience. lol.
Rule #1 of forum posting: Your own standards do not apply.
It also sounds like you're the only one passing critique on Cryptic. Forum was always full of it.
Edna was banned like 4 times a month on average.
Sounds like this is your first forum experience. lol.
Rule #1 of forum posting: Your own standards do not apply.
It also sounds like you're the only one passing critique on Cryptic. Forum was always full of it.
Edna was banned like 4 times a month on average.
He told me; about 7 permanently banned alts, makes us look like amateurs lol
I'm not the only one passing critique, but result was the same. Honestly, I don't know if I ahould laugh or what for the reply Smirk wrote to me on Twitter: "everyone should get a five days vacation from forums once per month".
who's going to send him on holiday? five days of freedom of speech.
I can see your point sharx about the wells...i remember every man and his dog scrambling for that ship, and it still was expensive before i stopped playing.
All points are valid, bug ship was OP because of its speed and turn rate and the 5 tac consoles...that was it.
This new ship has science ship level shield modifier, larger than most escorts turn rate, 45k? hull at lvl 60 and 5 tac 4 eng 2 sci consoles? ohh and not forgetting 5 fore weapons.....
Sorry this isnt a contender against a bug ship. This is a TRIBBLE all the past escorts, this ones gnna kick TRIBBLE....
I have no desire to pull others from the game, Cryptic sadly just sicken me with what has happened, I'm not one of those players that returned to grind, I stuck with my convictions. I never moaned about OP powers, the only thing I ever moaned about consistently was Cryptics Crappy Game engine that couldnt Render Eject Warp Plasma Correctly.
I loved this game, poured hours of my time, a lot of my disposable income because I liked the work being done (I was a lockbox junky). I enjoyed playing pug matches in different ships, playing 10v10's, premade matches, tournaments...everything that made this community great...cryptic took that...swallowed it whole and **** out DR and the RnD system....
This is no longer a game (I played the missions, copy and paste work...) PvE in this game bored me and had no effort (how do they make NPC's harder? Add a **** tonne of hit points...).
I'm tired of debating with people as well. Some day, you guys may feel like me and I'll welcome you into whatever community I'm apart of then...maybe someone will make this game great again? its possible if the license gets sold off....until then you will not see me logged into STO
Far from being a "disgruntled bug pilot"...I'm a disgruntled lover of star trek...and of Star Trek Online....PvP is what I enjoyed andi could not have done it competitively until I got my toons ready, would of taken me 6 months to get just 1 toon maxed out.... and I loved nothing more than to fill any roll that was needed.
The Elachi S'golth has a better shield mod at 1.3; both the Contortrix and Adapted Destroyer sport a 1.1; the Hazari Destroyer has a 1.15 mod going for it.
This was from another thread as well...regarding that 1.2 Shield Mod.
please compare their stats to this ship...I beg you...
any way, what do I care any more....have fun while you can if you can, I dont want to take that away from you, this long slippery road started a long time ago, I was apart of it....and look at what has become of our pvp...
And if Beameddown...you were caprica 6? that MVAM Transphasic escort (yes when you jumped on the transphasics before everyone jumped on the band wagon...) I remember pvp'ing you, and enjoyed that refreshing escort whilst it was unique for a time....good memories...
If that wasnt you then whoever it was....bravo!
I'm off to fly my spitefire....need to take these jerries down so i can have my Tea and Crumpets! Tally-Hooooo!
please compare their stats to this ship...i beg you...
That's from a thread from KDF players complaining that the Manasa is basically giving Feds the Mat'Ha with access to better Starship Traits. Cause consider what the stats on a Fleet Mat'Ha would be, eh?
I already reposted that earlier in this thread, I believe - but here's what a comparison of a Manasa and a Fleet Mat'Ha would look like.
The Manasa would have +26.5% Shield Mod, -50 Crew, +3 Turn, +0.1 Impulse, -5 Weapon Power, +10 Engine Power, +5% Defense, -15% CrtD, and no Cloak.
Manasa +Defense
Fleet Mat'Ha +Offense
And well, with all the bleed...how much does that Shield Mod matter? The +5% Defense with diminishing returns on Defense vs. Accuracy matters how much?
But uh, +5 Weapon Power, +15% CrtD, and the ability to Ambush...?
It's like being a Fed and going to ESD too often softens the brain or something...
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and when someone who says that a escort which can use a2b epte3 (because hey thats less defense) is worse than jhas i have to remind that person to check his nOOblet post for bs .
Risian corvette was not in s9.
what is it with you and cruisers, you think im some kind of cruiser only guy? for the last 2 years im in escorts/raiders/destroyers 75% of the time, and 20% of the time DHC battle cruisers for the lulz.
if i were to set up a dueling escort, the last thing it would have is AtB. it would have conn doffs, damage control doffs and highish aux AtD, cause mobility and on target uptime is everything, not soaking a ton of shots in your EPtS3 buffed shields.
AtB escorts and cruisers are slow, durable and mostly self sufficient for puging solo, they cant touch the mobility of pure AtD escorts. jesus its super sad i have to explain this to you, i though you were gud, but naw, your just hyper defensive whenever the bug gets brought up like your trying to convince yourself.
yea they are slow ....Im sure you can also use epte 3 on a bug.Are there 3 posts between that and "but bug has more defense and defense counts" post?
trolling or just trolling?
no you are not cruiser only.You are the main Kirk who cried for "cruisers should do more damage than escorts " over the years.Hey look that happens now if you dont count the broken vaper TRIBBLE.Your idea of game works now brilliant...the queue is full.
lol
Yes bug was all around best escort in game for quite awhile.
However it did not have all these new funky powers that intel ships have,,it was just faster and turned better and had good DPS, ( i know thats what everyone complains about, ok i can understand that) however it did NOT have special powers that no other ships had,,,intel ships do,,,chain disables,,SSs,,ionic,,viral torps, and i know im not naming them all, thats just off the top of my head, plus many of them have cloak now too.
I could only imagine what some of you would say if bug got a cloak, and SSs,,nevermind the cheesy chain disables.
even i said that when I won the bug in the winter event I kept it because it was a upgrade to my patrol escort i used over the years.I still used the patrol escort for awhile and I killed bug ships with it .The difference between that patrol escort and bug is not like the difference between the bug and xindi or other TRIBBLE which is escort and cruiser at the same time.
I cleaned the cnh map with my xindi escort only by spamming spacebar and turning with my mouse (not keys ,just mouse) .It was really hard to keep the targets in the firing range ...that was the hardest part.I guess that is skillZ and fun now and since fun is relative I nolonger play this TRIBBLE.Funny how the queue is empty and those 3 people that still play think the game is fine and everyone else is crazy.
Hilarious. When i flew Fleet Aquarius in PvP people were pissing themselves from laughter when they saw it is indeed aquarius. And i used it with 2 DHC 1 DDB, 3 cluster mines and full omega set. hahaha.
@Edna
I know you were not a fleet pug stomper, indeed, you were one of us very few that played PUG side on daily basis no matter what and vs whom.
I only ever respected fellow puggers who can pug it in epic fashion and without crying. and there were under 10 such people in game.
Triple Wells, dual Bugs premade pugstompers will forever live on as worst crybaby noobs STO has ever seen.
Honor. can't. be. bought. ****.you.very.much.
But on Bug, stats are stats. Can't be twisted.
@Maximus
Yes, if a Bug was outmaneuvered and killed by any other escort prior to Xindi, it was Bug pilot fault.
And anything that had 5 fore weapons (scimi, andorian) were just a slow trucks that a bug circles twice before those trucks can even change direction.
Granted, scimi could take bug by surprise(because skill
@Parker
Well, I still log in, and play. I just don't play PvP anymore.
I found myself in shock how much i enjoy ground content. I find it has potential. Much more then space has(or had).
Let's be honest for just a nanosecond here.
Wells, Bug and Voth to an extent were biggest cash cows ever.
And you and others remember those times with nostalgia.
Let's get one more thing straight. C-store ships were never PvP cash cows, only lobi ones were.
I remember very recent pre-DR discussions when some notable fleet PvPers called any C-store ship a liability.
Yep. so this kind of contradicts itself, right?
Nothing changed, well, except for that now c-store ships can beat lobi ships by more people and more frequently.
People here at forums didn't even made such brutal statements when R&D super BS hit.
nope. Only when DR came then the riots started.
Yet R&D did worse things to PvP then DR ever did. But even R&D wasn't the worst thing for PvP.
By peoples reactions now , one would think pre-R&D and pre-DR PvP was balanced. But it was not.
For me, worst thing that ever happened to PvP, ship side, was release of Wells.
I don't care about new lobi ship at all. My t5 ships were always more then enough to kill any NPC or player known to man on my own terms. I never invested much in a PvP ship, I rarely even switched equipment and boff skills between PvE and PvP.
I played around, and I don't feel betrayed as I imagine someone that invested much in his ship's power feels.
I find it funny that people that leave the game "because of grind" come back every major event to: guess what? to grind. I don't see them playing episodes, which are BTW good.
So, yeah, developers of this game don't want to talk to PvPers. They see stats and see that people like to grind. Seeing just a few replies in every thread one can understand why they don't even register what is happening on this side of black hole, but that bad blood is primarily fault of Cryptic because they have ignored large portion of most avid game supporters for such a long time.
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EPtS3 on a bug? what? incoherent or just incoherent?
being out of your opponent's fireing arc counts more then defense score and resistance.
not getting shot > getting shot
he with the highest turn rate and impulse mod is best at that. bug has always had that, but like i said, 5th fore weapon, you don't need to be on target near as much. goal posts are changed, bug finally loses top dueling spot.
you apparently didn't hear me right. i just say AtB is not op, it just allows all the also rans to compete. and cruisers should probably be better at DPS pressure, a farily ineffective form of damage dealing outside of pve, wile escorts better at spiky damage, a wildly more dangerous form of damage dealing in pvp.
sure a2b is not op , geko is a good game designer and the queue is full....totally agree with that.
You cannot get higher than FBP 1 on a bug.
You cant get higher than HEs 2, or epts 2 on a bug.
You cant get higher than aux2damp 1 on a bug.
You cant get higher than RSP 1 on a bug.
If anything, why is mobius not considered OP?? It had decent turn and speed, good DPS, and higher sci abilities. And now it has a 5th tac console.
I will admit that the insane speed values some ships have now in arena are just nuts,,its quite annoying, i never have mastered how to fly and shoot properly at insane speeds constantly. What makes me madder is defense values have gone up, and even with high acc i often miss my target. I have an elachi setup, all DHCs have acc x3,,,my ship has something like 38% bonus acc,,plus i have the space ability that stacks acc,,,plus my DBB is accx4,,,yet its nothing for me to miss peeps 50% of the time,,especially with my DBB/BO shot, i have even ran nukara part console which would make DBB at accx5 plus ship bonus acc and STILL miss peeps almost half the time i shoot it, something is wrong with that.
hey don;t tell him that ...let him find out alone
bug has most speed and then "epte3 is faster than epte 1" and then bug has most speed and then not getting shot > getting shot .....logic ftw
if this was pre even LoR, and the ques were as dead as they are now, pvp as ruined as it is now, and all you could really point to was AtB, you you just might have actually made a valid point! i recall PVP being downright prosperous in those day, funny that.
but AtB hasn't killed or even damage pvp for the what 3 years its been out. and hey, thanks to it you can use any low turn rate escort with decent eng seating, or any cruiser and be a decent threat and have decent durability with it, have fun using practically anything without deeply self nerfing yourself
STO pvp the last 2 or 3 years without AtB is pvp with maybe 10 ships even viable, the rest unusably bad and good for nothing. like EVERYTHING regarding STO pvp balance, when it it all sorta works out in the end, its always only by accident.
wait. We are in a dictatorship.
I see what hes saying about not getting shot as much as a defense.
But bug was not unstoppable.
If you have a bug, or another escort and 1 on 1 a bug, what do you do against a ship trying to do circles around you?
Easy, use a tractor beam, and chroniton mines.
Play a little defense while setting your "speed trap" then hammer his TRIBBLE.
I remember playing bug pilots 1 on 1 in my bug and they would have 2 RCS and it took me a few times of that to figure out why they ran circles around me,,instead of doing the same, i tried to equip things that would slow them down, or hell use sub jump to get behind them after buffing up.
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the pvp went down when they released the undine escort/cruiser which worked the best with a2b faw dem.Yes a2b killed pvp.Spacebar spam was the thing that killed both casual and premades.
btw we all know a2b means a2b with doffs...don't act like people say a2b alone without doffs.Having everything on global cd only by spamming spacebar is broken.You wanted that and you have that ...now go que up and play pvp .
that was season 9....I read that somewhere....it cant be season 7.
Your not the first person to get a few days of forum vacation. If you did get a life time ban you wouldn't be the first one there either. You wouldn't even be the first person life banned for a post that didn't get edited, and was responded to by employees. lol
Its no dictatorship though, its simple its there private forums they can do what they want. The fact that they let us come back with new identities is what makes it all laughable.
banning dynamic ip is the way to go lol
ever using higher then PEtE1
ever using FPB on a bug. a skill requiring you to be shot to be effective, on the best speed tanking escort, and not instead on something like the best damage soaking escort, that has at elast more then 1(2) sci console, and at least a LTC sci.
ever wasting a LTC slot on AtD
even using RSP on a speed tank
lol, edna will take what support he can get though, regardless if its about a bunch of non shortcomings or about how NOT to play to the bugs strengths what so ever.
It's like if as soon as I log in on Lag Industries I abuse of my fleet leader rank to shut up everyone who doesn't share my ideas, kick them permanently and stuff. Thing is I don't do it because having higher privileges doesn't make me more important than those who are below me. In this case deva are perpetrating a dictatorship. killing threads which critique buggy and broken content, because "they're made for trolling".
Same goes on Teamspeak, I don't kick people for what they say... except gio, he's repeatedly kicked by everyone because.... it's the reason why we keep him in Lag.
I miss more my avatar than else honestly. I love my avatar!
Should give an hint for some :P
i literally never noticed them, they were so insignificant. but i didn't play in the karrat sandbox much, and dueling a beam boat? thats doing it wrong, and your own fault.
and PVP is dead because everything introduced with DR. mk14 weapons, neutronic torp, iso cannon, tier 6 ships, SS, OSS, IT. literally nothing to do with AtB, many just run reciprocity instead, more pure DR related ruination. its hilarious to hear about the AtB bogyman in 2015 lol.
Sounds like this is your first forum experience. lol.
Rule #1 of forum posting: Your own standards do not apply.
It also sounds like you're the only one passing critique on Cryptic. Forum was always full of it.
Edna was banned like 4 times a month on average.
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He told me; about 7 permanently banned alts, makes us look like amateurs lol
I'm not the only one passing critique, but result was the same. Honestly, I don't know if I ahould laugh or what for the reply Smirk wrote to me on Twitter: "everyone should get a five days vacation from forums once per month".
who's going to send him on holiday? five days of freedom of speech.
All points are valid, bug ship was OP because of its speed and turn rate and the 5 tac consoles...that was it.
This new ship has science ship level shield modifier, larger than most escorts turn rate, 45k? hull at lvl 60 and 5 tac 4 eng 2 sci consoles? ohh and not forgetting 5 fore weapons.....
Sorry this isnt a contender against a bug ship. This is a TRIBBLE all the past escorts, this ones gnna kick TRIBBLE....
I have no desire to pull others from the game, Cryptic sadly just sicken me with what has happened, I'm not one of those players that returned to grind, I stuck with my convictions. I never moaned about OP powers, the only thing I ever moaned about consistently was Cryptics Crappy Game engine that couldnt Render Eject Warp Plasma Correctly.
I loved this game, poured hours of my time, a lot of my disposable income because I liked the work being done (I was a lockbox junky). I enjoyed playing pug matches in different ships, playing 10v10's, premade matches, tournaments...everything that made this community great...cryptic took that...swallowed it whole and **** out DR and the RnD system....
This is no longer a game (I played the missions, copy and paste work...) PvE in this game bored me and had no effort (how do they make NPC's harder? Add a **** tonne of hit points...).
I'm tired of debating with people as well. Some day, you guys may feel like me and I'll welcome you into whatever community I'm apart of then...maybe someone will make this game great again? its possible if the license gets sold off....until then you will not see me logged into STO
Far from being a "disgruntled bug pilot"...I'm a disgruntled lover of star trek...and of Star Trek Online....PvP is what I enjoyed andi could not have done it competitively until I got my toons ready, would of taken me 6 months to get just 1 toon maxed out.... and I loved nothing more than to fill any roll that was needed.
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no way...I say nerf jhas. 1.3<1 .A2b epte3 < epte1 ,6 forwards weapons and 5tac consoles < 4 front weapon slots and 5 tac consoles.
the game is fine and great...those who left are stupid because more < less.
please compare their stats to this ship...I beg you...
any way, what do I care any more....have fun while you can if you can, I dont want to take that away from you, this long slippery road started a long time ago, I was apart of it....and look at what has become of our pvp...
And if Beameddown...you were caprica 6? that MVAM Transphasic escort (yes when you jumped on the transphasics before everyone jumped on the band wagon...) I remember pvp'ing you, and enjoyed that refreshing escort whilst it was unique for a time....good memories...
If that wasnt you then whoever it was....bravo!
I'm off to fly my spitefire....need to take these jerries down so i can have my Tea and Crumpets! Tally-Hooooo!
(we need to find multiplayer for this old cook of a game : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlPzDrxPNzQ)
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That's from a thread from KDF players complaining that the Manasa is basically giving Feds the Mat'Ha with access to better Starship Traits. Cause consider what the stats on a Fleet Mat'Ha would be, eh?
I already reposted that earlier in this thread, I believe - but here's what a comparison of a Manasa and a Fleet Mat'Ha would look like.
The Manasa would have +26.5% Shield Mod, -50 Crew, +3 Turn, +0.1 Impulse, -5 Weapon Power, +10 Engine Power, +5% Defense, -15% CrtD, and no Cloak.
Manasa +Defense
Fleet Mat'Ha +Offense
And well, with all the bleed...how much does that Shield Mod matter? The +5% Defense with diminishing returns on Defense vs. Accuracy matters how much?
But uh, +5 Weapon Power, +15% CrtD, and the ability to Ambush...?
It's like being a Fed and going to ESD too often softens the brain or something...
By the way why the hell hasnt this thread been closed yet? Bluegeek, dont make me swear even more or call smirk a buffoon again...
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