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  • notrealednanotrealedna Member Posts: 1,028
    edited January 2015
    beameddown wrote: »
    just about every premade fight i was in years ago involved bugs, timeships, recluses, and the match would drag on for hour+ while both teams try and make traction with 2-3 back to back nukes,

    That because the match was more balanced.You had in a perfect match equal healing/clean debuffs and damage....the kills were through skill ...aka timing and finding holes in defense...not by spamming spacebar and flying back and forth

    but hey easier to QQ about a ship thats 99% similar to fleet patrol one than actually learn to play the game.Now you got your "balanced" TRIBBLE...go play with it.

    you hated that period because it was about skill not wallet or years of grind.Now go grind ec for the next TRIBBLE released...I'm sure it will help you kill borgs :D
    beameddown wrote: »
    anyways, I dont know why I waste my time with you ed, your a pvp ghost here to just QQ about the game, complain how GREAT that era was from the past, and have no clue what to do with yourself now

    I know what you could go do with yourself;P

    The game is a ghost.Only nOOblets left collecting the new TRIBBLE for the nonexistent pvp.Ofcourse I'm wrong...the game is great and people are gone because everyone is stupid except the 3 nOOblets left in it.
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  • notrealednanotrealedna Member Posts: 1,028
    edited January 2015
    beameddown wrote: »
    taking 2-3 nukes to get A KILL is called balance in your book you F idiot! you kidding me? sci powers were a joke HELL half the powers in the game were a joke and you call that balance? F IT whats the point, I remeber reading your crys when faw boats started multipling in the cues with dem- in your book, the only weapons that were not called b.s. are dual heavies LOL

    thats a great way to have diversity in a game omg, battle rifle is the only way to get kills, theres no way you will ever kill someone with a pistol no matter how good you are with it, you will always miss your target with rocket launchers and sniper rifles, smgs cant kill anything, ITS only the battle rifle, thats it, thats balance- thats perfect pvp, everyone running around in circles with battle rifles shooting at one another, thats what sto felt like for years, playing a fps that had all these weapons in it, BUT none of them worked except 1

    I also remember many whining complaints coming from edna over opvp because of vapers as well..

    its like some of you old dino players only learned how to fight 1 way, and you got good at it, and when the game started to offer up other lethal combos, the dino players called it all cheese, b.s. tactics, spacebar mashing, etc

    hey, you know what? your right, im wrong- im the idot, it was the best time in sto and its never coming back

    guess all you can do is complain everyday about it, you got alot of practice in it

    well you kinda trying to beat Geko at BS per minute.

    thing is you against me in the same ship you loose ,bug or not bug ...but hey Im a old dino player and you are the super duper pve hero.

    That kills you slowly inside but I can't help you ...you are a pve nOOblet who thinks everyone left is stupid except you and 2-3 people who still grind.

    Now go grind for the next broken thing...don't worry borgs will never leave you.
  • maximus614maximus614 Member Posts: 162 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    beameddown wrote: »
    WTF I wrote like THREE OTHER walls of text in the time it took you to type this response out LOL!!!


    look, I get it, honestly I get it, you were a tac bug pilot, you did a tour of duty in this game when bugs were the most op b.s. in this game, how many matches can you really claim as skill? how many kills did you get where you turned that much faster, tanked that much better, hit that harder that you want to pass off as skill? then... the game changed, I was there, I remember, many of us do, as do you- you started to get killed and then, the pay to win that you paid for wasn't winning as much anymore

    sure, sure, pass it off as the game was glitchy, pass it off as the pvp was drying up, pass it off as you were BORED with the pvp, but lets face it, warrior to warrior, just the two of us, F all these other people, you know just as well as I do, that's why you left- cause you lost your pay to win that you earned and now it wasn't paying off anymore- it was CHEESE that ended the streak right? LOL! ya, its was all the broken mechanics that the game added that put others on a more even playing field that drove you off, LOL sure- I got you man, I hear ya, whatever makes you sleep better at night, you know I have met a hundred of guys just like you over the years? mmos, fps, rtps, the same thing ALWAYS, happy to do the fight when you got the rocket launcher, but complaining when your getting hit by it LOL, its a sick joke at this point, you like the easy fight, the illusion of challenge, you want that edge, you get off work, you want to kick butt, BUT! you don't want to have to work for it, and your EGO is so wrapped up in the win/loss ratio that any LOSS as viewed as unacceptable...........something must be done... so you switch games, go where the action is,

    like some sad gambler at the table that loses and then complains about the luck of others and what cards he was dealt, you got no CLUE how to come back from it, cause in the end you got no game, you got no strategy, your a cookie cutter player, you only know what others TELL you to fly, what to do, and you run that into the ground until it doesn't work anymore then complain that others are cheating, that others are bending the rules, then instead of LEARNING and ADAPTING you just move on to another game that catches your interest in a tactic that can be exploited

    I tears me up honestly inside to say these things, but F, after the day I had, after logging into this b.s. event flying from earth to Vulcan, to droza and back to earth I got no patience for another retired, jaded, ghost of pvp's past, BUG pilot that got....*crys* cheated... *sniff, sniff* out of their fun pvp experience in...sto...

    all this b.s. aside, I am sure your a cool guy, tons of experience in games, have your own war stories to tell, and their all fun to hear, but in the end, I thank you for the undeserved compliment, I DO ramble on waaay to long, always have, AND ALWAYS WILL, your a smarter man then me to move on to a games that have better graphics, better game play, and a more energized pvp population- I am a fool to spend my free time in this mess, but ... I do love star rek enough to keep me here for a little bit more time (that time is coming to an end soon, I can already feel it, I have killed so many at this point, fought so many epic matches against the best in this game, had my come back wins, my vapes, my drains, my faws, my overloads, my crits, my nukes, and so on, theres little left to do at this point except see what these new boff powers can do, but beyond that, there isn't that much left I haven't done, I have already passed along what I know to well over 100 some noobs at this point so there really isn't even a pull to teach anymore, I cant even count how many nights I spent, talking to a stranger explaining what I was doing in that match, answering their questions for hours, I feel I have given back enough that I feel satisfied over the whole experience)

    LOOK, I apologize ahead of time to taking the jab at the token "retired bug pilot angst over sto guy" but I couldn't resist, and I hope you can find it in yourself to forgive me, its my own frustration in the unbalance that has been sto for years now that I write,

    congrats on being a soon to be father, and good man for treating your women right:) we can all only hope to be as fortunate as you to have a healthy child and a loving wife

    p.s. I deserver and welcome everything you got to fire at me- all I got left to say is... gg:)



    wow,

    I fly a bug, yeah that ship that everyone claimed was so overly OP,,,all it did was turn faster, there were other ships with 5 tac consoles. As escorts go yes it was the best escort in the game, nobody is complaining cause our "p2w" ship gets beat now, this release is different from others, it isnt just a better ship that came out, they came out with all new powers and boffs for them, the bug didnt have some special powers that made it next to impossible for someone to beat,,i dont recall seeing bugs with ionic turb,,SSs,,,viral torps,,,crazy disables,,cloaks, ect ect....DR is straight up bull####
  • sharxtremesharxtreme Member Posts: 850 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    That because the match was more balanced.You had in a perfect match equal healing/clean debuffs and damage....the kills were through skill ...aka timing and finding holes in defense...not by spamming spacebar and flying back and forth

    but hey easier to QQ about a ship thats 99% similar to fleet patrol one than actually learn to play the game.Now you got your "balanced" TRIBBLE...go play with it.

    you hated that period because it was about skill not wallet or years of grind.Now go grind ec for the next TRIBBLE released...I'm sure it will help you kill borgs :D



    The game is a ghost.Only nOOblets left collecting the new TRIBBLE for the nonexistent pvp.Ofcourse I'm wrong...the game is great and people are gone because everyone is stupid except the 3 nOOblets left in it.

    You are fighting beamedown, but i have even stronger opinion about this.

    Edna, you are throwing around word n00blets a tad too much.
    You are claiming game is ghost" Yet you were online last night.
    Let's be blatantly honest like you know I am:

    You are claiming "all skill-no p2W", and yet you flew an all ACCx3 Bug for years.
    At times when Bug was 400-600 million EC. And ACCx3 DHC and MKXII purple neutronium and tac cons were 10-20mil each. Such ship flew circles around EVERY other ship. Literally.

    I fkn had ships with gear that I gathered from wherever or few advanced from fleet . Before Fleet Spire i never had MK XII tac console, and believe me, if there was MKXI as an option in Spire I would never pay double for MKXII even for tac con. By that standard every my win with blue gear in 4mil EC Fleet ship vs a Bug was 300x more skill.

    And matches were only balanced if 2 premades had same amount of lobi sci-wells, tac bugs and eng recluses(or oddiseys).
    Even in the days after DR, "pro fleet healers" still didn't use Tal shiar cruiser even it is better heal ship then recluse, because tal shiar doesn't have Spam APB3 or spam Yellowstones factor, or they simply don't want to step out of comfort zone. 2-3 exceptional players excluded, like Finn, Kira, Entrax.

    PvP is dead, we can openly talk.
    All those Scis that spammed and team-cycled TIF, theta, chroniton, SS, doffed PSW,
    spammed doffed TBR, FBP, R&D plasma torps when R&D BS started. Even more switched to T6 to add chain stuns to that.
    All those Bugs with quad DHCs switched to Xindi with 100% CrtH Beam overload when the change came.
    Not a single kill from such ship, with 500mil-1bilEC worth of equipment is skill.
    None. Zero.
    If done by a premade vs a PUG it's even negative skill, by any game with stat tracking standard.

    You can lie to yourself as much as you want, but numbers don't lie.
    If a Bug was killed by any other escort prior to Xindi release, it was Bug pilot's fault.


    Furthermore, long time fleetmaders were the first to adapt to R&D Overpower escalation.

    Then DR hit the fan. It basically balanced ships that were easily obtainable vs ships that needed
    to be grinded, fleet bought, like Lobi/promotion ships were before.

    and such realized that now ANYone can kill them, regardless, can put neutronic, 500+ partigens, ACC4/CRTD4 weapons, and all that crutch promotion/lobi gear gathered was fkn sh*t upon by a guy that obtained a t6 ship and put right skills on it.

    Yeah. Yeah.
    Even TS3 neutronic is bigger skill then Premade Pugstomping in a Bug (Daily) was before s9.

    I remember when me, few guys from DC and VC got on TS and made a team to fight PUGs. 3 games, each match was shorter then solid ISE run at same time frame.
    shorter then 2mins. i didnt even exit Alpha in one. just a constant series of explosions.
    Never dared to upload it. Let alone dared to call it skill. But maybe i should have, It showed game balance and mechanics in all it's "glory".

    Bottom line.
    One cheese won over other cheese and PvP NEVER had any balance if not balanced manually or by sheer coincidence.
    Please don't act like it had.
  • notrealednanotrealedna Member Posts: 1,028
    edited January 2015
    sharxtreme wrote: »
    wall of text i read between the lines


    I havent paid for my bug,i got it in the winter event.
    I got my accx3 polarons (which were never the best ) from Kerrat playing.I never used BO ,I never used TIF nor a2b .I had a 2xepts (no epte) build from s4 when I had a fleet patrol (you know the ship thats 99% identical to the bug).I still have that on my bug.When I won the bug I thought to sell it but it was a upgrade to my fleet patrol I used over the years.

    I do not throw the nOOblet tag at random.He IS a nOOblet...and noisy one .

    I have the xindi escort (so your b!tchin was noted but I do not use Geko's broken TRIBBLE) and I cleaned the map in CnH without dying once nor looking at my tray ...yes thats fun for you ,fly back and forth spamming spacebar.Thou I admit when I did that was damn easy since all good players left the game and the map was full of pve heroes roleplaying pvp.

    I want him to get bug and kill my bug?I want to see that ...till then QQ from a nOOblet who is only b1thing about a s4 ship.I even offer to pop his bug with my fleet patrol.I want to see how much skill comes with the bug ship.

    if you compare a ingame power with a premade then please give me whatever you are smoking.I never played a premade ,I did some pugmades with teams from opvp.When they changed the queue for solo queue I played in solo queue .
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  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    I had a fleet patrol (you know the ship thats 99% identical to the bug)

    OH PLEASE. the 2 most important factors for escort domination is positioning and speed tanking. for the longest time, no escort had even close to the bug's impulse mod and turn rate, wile also being about as durable as a cruiser. old fleet patrol is 70% the ship the bug was. what made the bug so good is that it could outmaneuver all comers, stay out of it's opponent's fireing arc, wile never having its target out of it's fireing arc. time on target with DHCs wins duels. back in the days befor 5 fore weapons at least, these ships need SIGNIFICANTLY less time on target to absolutely devastate.
  • notrealednanotrealedna Member Posts: 1,028
    edited January 2015
    OH PLEASE. the 2 most important factors for escort domination is positioning and speed tanking. for the longest time, no escort had even close to the bug's impulse mod and turn rate, wile also being about as durable as a cruiser. old fleet patrol is 70% the ship the bug was. what made the bug so good is that it could outmaneuver all comers, stay out of it's opponent's fireing arc, wile never having its target out of it's fireing arc. time on target with DHCs wins duels. back in the days befor 5 fore weapons at least, these ships need SIGNIFICANTLY less time on target to absolutely devastate.

    *facepalm*

    if people flying escorts don't even know how to turn a escort its not my fault.

    lol at your speed tanking.Hope epte 3 is enough for you and your kirk cruiser.


    nice to see that people still QQ about bugs .Wonder why the game is TRIBBLE.This should be moved to pve forums where the true knowledge is.
  • jacknm1jacknm1 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    I agree with drunk, The bug was "OP" but you cannot compare the bug with this new ship (trying to stay on topic and not start another un-ending war).

    Bug WAS good, but i didnt moan when I seen the Fleet patrol escort refit, the xindi contortrix escort. I bought the FPER...and it replaced my bug as it was better lol, I worked for everything I had just the same, played the exchange, yea spent a fair bit of money now and then because at the time I had spare income to spend.

    PvP matches were balanced, even to an extent with LoR. Premade matches with 2 - 3 nukes yae thats what it took, against good skilled players with good cross heals, cannot compare premaddes to pugs...same goes for today.

    But this game is a ghost to me, Sharx you wont see me logged in.

    This new ship is a HUGE CASH COW - saying it isnt...your either working for cryptic or are a huge fanboy still sucking the Teat of PWE and its money grabbing share holders, I'd happily still pay money into the game if they listened to the fan base and actually made worth while changes.
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  • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,498 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    lindaleff wrote: »
    You are out of date, by quite a while. The Xindi crab outclassed the Bugship a long time ago.

    Pfff.. APU to rule them all.
    This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
  • notrealednanotrealedna Member Posts: 1,028
    edited January 2015
    beameddown wrote: »
    GOOD LORD get over yourself!

    I torped your boat down plenty of times ages ago, tranny boat- Caprica 6

    I cut your ship in half a ton of times, faw/dem/point defence- Kirkinator

    I zaped you out with a tet beam boat/scort, (I couldnt resist making a tet boat after nukara rep came out, flew it for good 5-6 months in the cues fleet advanced- Before

    anyways, I am done with you notreal, Im sick of the b.s. with you, Im sick of the ego with you, and I know your just here to troll and I fell for it

    good luck with the daily QQ over sto, why a person would feel the need to keep playing a game they hate with people they dont like is BEYOND me

    but F it, suppose some folks FEED off drama

    lol more faw?

    Go lick some Geko more ,maybe you will get more broken TRIBBLE ,but remember that QQ has more effect on the pve forums .

    either way you will never have a bug ...you grinded in the wrong direction and this kills you lol :D
  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    *facepalm*

    if people flying escorts don't even know how to turn a escort its not my fault.

    lol at your speed tanking.Hope epte 3 is enough for you and your kirk cruiser.


    nice to see that people still QQ about bugs .Wonder why the game is TRIBBLE.This should be moved to pve forums where the true knowledge is.

    who's the noob here? are you just not good at using the bug to its potential or something? if you don't even use EPtE, and saying its 99% a patrol escort, thats a pretty huge indicator of that.

    the bug being better at turning is math, not know how. especially due to how cryptic handles turn rate buffing math in a non flat fashion.

    if you think speed tanking isn't a thing, you have spent to long glued to a healer in a pug stomp hug box.
  • notrealednanotrealedna Member Posts: 1,028
    edited January 2015
    who's the noob here? are you just not good at using the bug to its potential or something? if you don't even use EPtE, and saying its 99% a patrol escort, thats a pretty huge indicator of that.

    the bug being better at turning is math, not know how. especially due to how cryptic handles turn rate buffing math in a non flat fashion.

    if you think speed tanking isn't a thing, you have spent to long glued to a healer in a pug stomp hug box.

    if you remember pre s5 no one used epts + epte because there were no doffs.

    so yea if you don't know that but still quote it and talk about it like you know you are the noob here.See what you did to yourself ? :rolleyes:

    Epte 1 was buffed when kirks Qqed about their cruisers not moving like escorts.Curent epte 1 is better than old epte 3.Want to know who complained about cruisers not moving like escorts or not doing damage like escorts?

    you can still outturn a ship with more turn rate than yours ...just look at how people use their escorts.
  • maximus614maximus614 Member Posts: 162 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    sharxtreme wrote: »
    You are fighting beamedown, but i have even stronger opinion about this.

    Edna, you are throwing around word n00blets a tad too much.
    You are claiming game is ghost" Yet you were online last night.
    Let's be blatantly honest like you know I am:

    You are claiming "all skill-no p2W", and yet you flew an all ACCx3 Bug for years.
    At times when Bug was 400-600 million EC. And ACCx3 DHC and MKXII purple neutronium and tac cons were 10-20mil each. Such ship flew circles around EVERY other ship. Literally.

    I fkn had ships with gear that I gathered from wherever or few advanced from fleet . Before Fleet Spire i never had MK XII tac console, and believe me, if there was MKXI as an option in Spire I would never pay double for MKXII even for tac con. By that standard every my win with blue gear in 4mil EC Fleet ship vs a Bug was 300x more skill.

    And matches were only balanced if 2 premades had same amount of lobi sci-wells, tac bugs and eng recluses(or oddiseys).
    Even in the days after DR, "pro fleet healers" still didn't use Tal shiar cruiser even it is better heal ship then recluse, because tal shiar doesn't have Spam APB3 or spam Yellowstones factor, or they simply don't want to step out of comfort zone. 2-3 exceptional players excluded, like Finn, Kira, Entrax.

    PvP is dead, we can openly talk.
    All those Scis that spammed and team-cycled TIF, theta, chroniton, SS, doffed PSW,
    spammed doffed TBR, FBP, R&D plasma torps when R&D BS started. Even more switched to T6 to add chain stuns to that.
    All those Bugs with quad DHCs switched to Xindi with 100% CrtH Beam overload when the change came.
    Not a single kill from such ship, with 500mil-1bilEC worth of equipment is skill.
    None. Zero.
    If done by a premade vs a PUG it's even negative skill, by any game with stat tracking standard.

    You can lie to yourself as much as you want, but numbers don't lie.
    If a Bug was killed by any other escort prior to Xindi release, it was Bug pilot's fault.


    Furthermore, long time fleetmaders were the first to adapt to R&D Overpower escalation.

    Then DR hit the fan. It basically balanced ships that were easily obtainable vs ships that needed
    to be grinded, fleet bought, like Lobi/promotion ships were before.

    and such realized that now ANYone can kill them, regardless, can put neutronic, 500+ partigens, ACC4/CRTD4 weapons, and all that crutch promotion/lobi gear gathered was fkn sh*t upon by a guy that obtained a t6 ship and put right skills on it.

    Yeah. Yeah.
    Even TS3 neutronic is bigger skill then Premade Pugstomping in a Bug (Daily) was before s9.

    I remember when me, few guys from DC and VC got on TS and made a team to fight PUGs. 3 games, each match was shorter then solid ISE run at same time frame.
    shorter then 2mins. i didnt even exit Alpha in one. just a constant series of explosions.
    Never dared to upload it. Let alone dared to call it skill. But maybe i should have, It showed game balance and mechanics in all it's "glory".

    Bottom line.
    One cheese won over other cheese and PvP NEVER had any balance if not balanced manually or by sheer coincidence.
    Please don't act like it had.


    "If a Bug was killed by any other escort prior to Xindi release, it was Bug pilot's fault."

    Im sorry i simply cannot agree with this, i met many a people in a bug or other escorts that simply were just that good and i could not beat. Again yes bug at the time was the best escort, but its not like it had all these magical powers that intel ships have now.
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Bug? Fleet Aquarius. ;)
  • maximus614maximus614 Member Posts: 162 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    beameddown wrote: »
    we all got our own take on it, I gotta say to the fresh faces out there, dont take my word for it, take sharks, take ednas, the thing is, ask around:)

    form your own opinion before swallowing what some old fleet mate is trying to tell you is balance, fair, even matched, good, or bad

    alot of us that felt that some "cheese" was being packaged as skill and other "cheese" was being demonized- but most of us kept our opinions to ourselves, cause it was friends on the ts that didnt like this, or didnt like that, OR flew this or that and no silly disagreement is worth tearing up a friendship over it -after all its just a game

    who am I to really damn the bug ship, I flew a timeship- I stood my ground so that I could say, Im not going to validate that silly over the top escort and give cryptic what it wanted, pay to win LOL but then in the same stroke, I "payed" for the timeship, at the time, easily the best sci ship in the game by far, the very example of what the bug stood for vs escorts was what the timeship stood for vs sci ships

    I guess when it comes down to it, I never tryed to put myself in the limelight or my fleet on account of an op ship, I never tryed to pass off what the Wells was capable of as "my skill" LOL

    I knew what the hell was going on when I was seriously surrounded by the other team and skated right out of it all to victory, how many vapes I dodged by a quick backstep, how many escorts I got the control over with tif- theres these jerks online here that are to stupid to look at the STATS of the ship, the BOFF layout, the CONSOLE layout, they want to sell all that off to you as SKILL back in the day

    now? nows a different story, t5 is done (good riddance) and now we start forward fresh in a sense, now the field is a bit more even, folks arnt having to try and pony up for a lockbox ship that came out 2 years ago that the market TRIBBLE have now made inflaited or some rare event escort that cryptic trots out from time to time for a flow of cash

    I am sad for the new lockbox escort tho, I really hoped cryptic would have made the best-baseline ship in each class be a c-store ship so that everyone that plays the game has the chance to stand on equal ground for 30-40 bucks- OR a couple months of grinding out dil, BUT WHY NOT RIGHT? it worked for them before with the bug ship, time ship, recluse- they sold TONS of those ships and they knew what they were doing

    xindi, nicor, adapated battle, palacade etc

    we will go through it all over again but now labled as t6, I wish the lock box ships would be more like the galor, decent ship: good stats, cool toy comes with it, and thats it- the case could be made to fly her, and the case could be made to pass on her

    all the lock box ships should be like that, at least then we would see diversity in the cues, diversity in builds, anyways

    thanks shark for speaking up, most keep their mouth shut cause they dont want to rock to boat from what is the elitist view

    and again for the new guys, dont listen to me, I dont know what the hell im talking about, do your own research, ask your own questions, decide for yourself

    I still laugh when I think of viruses "only fair pvp would be a F ing dance off in sto" LOL


    "now? nows a different story, t5 is done (good riddance) and now we start forward fresh in a sense, now the field is a bit more even, folks arnt having to try and pony up for a lockbox ship that came out 2 years ago that the market TRIBBLE have now made inflaited or some rare event escort that cryptic trots out from time to time for a flow of cash"


    Are you serious? You ***** about previous play yet think DR play is better? You think its even?? Even for who? The ones that dished out 10k zen for a delta pack to get intel ships with crazy new op powers? How anybody on here can ***** about the bug and not intel ships is totally beyond me. Where is the skill when you can disable your opponent with multiple diables then deliver a SS on them? Then run off and cloak. You can buy single intel ships but it still cost money, how is that different from people paying to get lockbox ships?

    i once played a 1 on 1 against a wells in my bug, i could barely scratch the guy, his build was that good, and i had some of the best consoles and weps at the time, i never killed him, i never got him below 50% hull, even though i boasted some of the best DPS in the game, but im not over here claiming the wells is OP and takes no skill.

    Intel ships and massive FBP builds are the ones that take no skill,,,yeah thats real hard to chain disable peeps then SS strike them with ionic turb and viral torps,,,yeah thats real hard to hit a button so everybody one shots themselves while shooting at you.
  • maximus614maximus614 Member Posts: 162 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    OH PLEASE. the 2 most important factors for escort domination is positioning and speed tanking. for the longest time, no escort had even close to the bug's impulse mod and turn rate, wile also being about as durable as a cruiser. old fleet patrol is 70% the ship the bug was. what made the bug so good is that it could outmaneuver all comers, stay out of it's opponent's fireing arc, wile never having its target out of it's fireing arc. time on target with DHCs wins duels. back in the days befor 5 fore weapons at least, these ships need SIGNIFICANTLY less time on target to absolutely devastate.

    Bug was nor is not as durable as a cruiser,,if you mean cause of the speed tanking and it being hard to hit then ok,,,but if you mean overall tanking the bug is not some massive escort tank that can sit there and take a pounding.
  • notrealednanotrealedna Member Posts: 1,028
    edited January 2015
    maximus614 wrote: »
    i once played a 1 on 1 against a wells in my bug, i could barely scratch the guy, his build was that good, and i had some of the best consoles and weps at the time, i never killed him, i never got him below 50% hull, even though i boasted some of the best DPS in the game, but im not over here claiming the wells is OP and takes no skill.

    your Bug is op but you lost cuz you don't have his skillZ.He would have solo'ed a team with his bug :D


    wonder why no one plays pvp now ? dilema dilema
  • maximus614maximus614 Member Posts: 162 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    your Bug is op but you lost cuz you don't have his skillZ.He would have solo'ed a team with his bug :D


    wonder why no one plays pvp now ? dilema dilema

    lol,

    its crazy,

    He didnt kill me either, but his build was just that great for the time, i have no clue what would have happened had he been in a scort. I even admit im not very good at 1 on 1s,,i play better in team environment.

    Are you Edna in game? Edna dax, or Edna? I dont know, i just know ive played with an Edna before, my ingame name is the same as this name just without the 614
  • notrealednanotrealedna Member Posts: 1,028
    edited January 2015
    maximus614 wrote: »
    lol,

    its crazy,

    He didnt kill me either, but his build was just that great for the time, i have no clue what would have happened had he been in a scort. I even admit im not very good at 1 on 1s,,i play better in team environment.

    Are you Edna in game? Edna dax, or Edna? I dont know, i just know ive played with an Edna before, my ingame name is the same as this name just without the 614

    yea ,but I only log in from time to time to play with bugs...the game bugs :D
  • maximus614maximus614 Member Posts: 162 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    yea ,but I only log in from time to time to play with bugs...the game bugs :D

    same here now, i just farm dilith, once in awhile i pvp, but usually only with fleetmates.
  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    if you remember pre s5 no one used epts + epte because there were no doffs.

    so yea if you don't know that but still quote it and talk about it like you know you are the noob here.See what you did to yourself ? :rolleyes:

    Epte 1 was buffed when kirks Qqed about their cruisers not moving like escorts.Curent epte 1 is better than old epte 3.Want to know who complained about cruisers not moving like escorts or not doing damage like escorts?

    you can still outturn a ship with more turn rate than yours ...just look at how people use their escorts.

    the bug was the top dueling escort all the way till season 9, there were doffs for a good long time by then. and i was using EPtE even befor the LoR buff, it was still pretty helpful, to at least pad the energy pool.

    the other EPt skills got buffed because they did next to nothing but increase energy, it wasn't cruisers users, that you appear to have some odd obsession making bogymen.
  • notrealednanotrealedna Member Posts: 1,028
    edited January 2015
    the bug was the top dueling escort all the way till season 9, there were doffs for a good long time by then. and i was using EPtE even befor the LoR buff, it was still pretty helpful, to at least pad the energy pool.

    the other EPt skills got buffed because they did next to nothing but increase energy, it wasn't cruisers users, that you appear to have some odd obsession making bogymen.

    check when risian corvette was released then voth,elachi and so on...yea season 9 lol
  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    check when risian corvette was released then voth,elachi and so on...yea season 9 lol

    risian has less hitpoints then a brel, theres no voth escort, you mean hunter? still not in the mobility tier the bug is in and thers no 5th fore weapon to make up for that, and elachi has a 16 turn rate, you would have a beter shot beating a bug with a MVAM. so yes lol indeed, listing ships that dont even rank.
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  • notrealednanotrealedna Member Posts: 1,028
    edited January 2015
    risian has less hitpoints then a brel, theres no voth escort, you mean hunter? still not in the mobility tier the bug is in and thers no 5th fore weapon to make up for that, and elachi has a 16 turn rate, you would have a beter shot beating a bug with a MVAM. so yes lol indeed, listing ships that dont even rank.

    listing ships with cruiser boff slots that can a2b easly ...yea lol

    thought you were busy asking for more broken TRIBBLE for cruisers.Your idea of a game now fits well...look at the queues.
    patrickngo wrote: »
    I think he's talking about the speed/protection/firepower balance. for a consistently long time,the Bugship was an Escort class ship, with 5 tac consoles, a shield mod of 1.0 (when a "GOOD" escort tended to have a shield mod of .9-something or less) impulse mod of .21 and a turn rate in the low twenties.

    base stats.

    up until around 8, 8.5 maybe, a shield mod of 1.0 was pretty much Cruiser territory, the only ships that could reliably turn with a Bug were BoPs, and nothing had the accelleration it has, and if you wanted a 5 tac ship, it was either the bug, or the Fleet Defiant-which did NOT have the 1.0 shield mod, 21 impulse mod, or the turn rate, or the craptastic Bortasque, which was effectively designed to be non-viable.

    The corvette got a speed boost equivalent to the bug, but not the hull, shields, or weapons power, the first "Bugslayer" Cryptic actually delivered (better in all respects) was the Xindi Escort.

    The Manasa (The new lockbox hotness) is a def. successor to the Bugship- good turn rate, great accelleration and weapons/console layouit, science-ship level shields, and the ability to carry some (W)intel abilities-not as many as a phantom, but, the Tier 5 on it synergizes rather well with Battle REady and Reciprocity, so in the hands of a Federation toon whose owner popped for either the hundred dollar stack, or just bought a couple Fed Tier 6 ships, it's lined up to be pretty much OP across-the-board.

    (This is NOT the case for you Romulans or us KDF's, however-the Ship-traits at Ti5 actually DO have that much impact... ours are basically a grab-bag of stuff that doesn't synergize with ANYTHING.)


    shield mod sure helps since s7 everything goes through shields ...especially beams thanks to kirks who cried for more dps from cruisers .

    speed tanking is noted when its about bug ships ...escorts which can a2b epts3 don't count cuz "I dont have a bug ,TRIBBLE you for having one"....awesome logic ,but QQing about bugs gets you in the nOOblet category.
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