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jacknm1jacknm1 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
edited January 2015 in PvP Gameplay
Hello All PvP'ers left.....Ive been away a while....and when I thought about re-installing the game on my PC i looked at the news page and seen this ship.

I won't post info, we all know by now. This is the most stupidly Overpowered (and intended to be OP) Ship I've ever seen. Same argument can be made for the bugship I agree. But this is the most obvious CASH COW I've ever seen in this game.....

Whats a matter cryptic? Player numbers dropped? Not as many of us PvP'ers spending money any more? I wonder why....?

Sorry but I wont be reinstalling this "Game", its now gone to Silly Developers designing Silly Ships and Copy and pasting point and click missions with some Voice acting from some of our Favourite Star Trek Characters (I actually liked the voice acting).

Not to mention a guy that doesnt even know how to play the game running the "Twitch community Broadcasts" - Guy doesnt even know what Tac Team does...and hes moderating the forums, closing relevant threads and banning members that have been here a dam sight longer than him and actually know what they're talking about....Poor Riccardo, a long time STO member and avid PvP'er who looks into new items and design and test them out...gets his threads closed when he tries to state the OBVIOUS TRUTH!...ohh and now Hes BANNED FROM THE FORUMS......Are We in China? or Russia? - Cencorship maybe?

Look around cryptic...at all the forum signatures, at all the complaints.....DR is a PR disaster...and optimistically looking this game will be Dead or being sold off by 2017 So I'd dtart getting your Resumes Ready!

Edit: I expect this to get deleted and myself Banned, so get a good read in first, I'm going to take a screenshot and upload it to steam :)

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  • lindalefflindaleff Member Posts: 3,734 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    You are out of date, by quite a while. The Xindi crab outclassed the Bugship a long time ago.
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  • jacknm1jacknm1 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    lindaleff wrote: »
    You are out of date, by quite a while. The Xindi crab outclassed the Bugship a long time ago.

    Indeed, bugship was relevant because that was also a "CASH COW". Which is why I mentioned it. I know all about the xindi escorts and other things that outclass the bug these days. I do still read :)
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  • giotarizgiotariz Member Posts: 652 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    100% agree there Parker. those idiot devs can really get fired, after all they're not giving the chinese mother****ers in charge an increase in revenue...


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  • praxi5praxi5 Member Posts: 1,562 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    jacknm1 wrote: »
    Indeed, bugship was relevant because that was also a "CASH COW". Which is why I mentioned it. I know all about the xindi escorts and other things that outclass the bug these days. I do still read :)

    That was the first huge lockbox hit... people spent over $300 trying to get one before realizing just how bad the odds were.

    I wonder just how much money they made off of the Bug.
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    From another thread...
    Note: Keep in mind this is comparing the FT6 Manasa to a T6 Mat'Ha, there's no Fleet Mat'Ha yet.

    Manasa vs. Mat'Ha

    -10% Hull Modifier
    +35% Shield Modifier
    -50 Crew
    +1 Eng Console
    +3 Turn Rate
    +0.1 Impulse Mod
    -5 Weapon Power
    +10 Engine Power
    +Escort Mastery (+5% Defense)
    -Destroyer Mastery (-15% CrtD)
    -Cloak

    Fleet the Mat'Ha, and you're basically trading Cloak/CrtD/Weapon Power for Speed/Shield/Defense. Obviously the consoles/traits stand out...but otherwise, that's pretty trippy. :(
  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    LOL :D They banned Riccardo?? They just keep digging up their own tomb, don't they?
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  • wast33wast33 Member Posts: 1,855 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    yay parkee, been a while :)....

    on topic: what is it? IT'S A FAAAAKE :D... couldn't resist. better laugh em out than to burst in tears :(...
  • norobladnoroblad Member Posts: 2,624 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    jacknm1 wrote: »
    Hello All PvP'ers left.....Ive been away a while....and when I thought about re-installing the game on my PC i looked at the news page and seen this ship.

    I won't post info, we all know by now. This is the most stupidly Overpowered (and intended to be OP) Ship I've ever seen. Same argument can be made for the bugship I agree. But this is the most obvious CASH COW I've ever seen in this game.....

    eh. It may simply be on-par, or slightly better (as most box ships are usually slightly better when released). Have you test driven the faeht warbird? Yea, it "only" has 4 weapons up front but I am only half decent, really, and I can crit over 50k on a beam hit with surgical strikes. And I can slot 2 surgicals on it, granted one is "lesser" but .. my glass cannon build has 2 Ep2W, 2 pattern betas, OSS driving my power thru the roof, amped (with oss, not quite without), pedal to the metal running a slow as molasses impulse engine (my speed is 15 in combat, a little over 20 if my engine power spikes), throw in alpha strike and boosts from my active officers... SRO seating (BRO on the intel tac white quality). I could probably seat a turbulence in there as well, but ATM I did not put it in. This is just a non-fleet c-store buy... and it melts DR mobs the way a scimitar melted mobs PRE DR, and again, I am not a top pilot, just a mid level player who has too many alts to focus on making one uber. Its so powerful its boring... but it does make farming for spec tree points a lot faster and easier... :P

    and that toon is one I made after DR hit, just a total do-over restart char. It lacks... a lot of things that older toons have.
  • jacknm1jacknm1 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    I can't see a reason to start again, and if I did I'd only be adding to the problem. The Dev's said it themselves "This is our game, if you don't like it, don't play..." with that kind of attitude I'll take their advice and soon they won't have a player base left to ignore or belittle.

    There's more balance to be found in a 2 legged cat....

    And yes I was one of those idiots that spent $300 trying to get a bug ship...then got 3 in my last 3 packs....I've learnt my lesson, expensive one I admit....

    Edit: Ohh and hi wastee! you can always find me on TS over the weekend! Playing war thunder and such
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  • etherealplanesetherealplanes Member Posts: 414
    edited January 2015
    shpoks wrote: »
    LOL :D They banned Riccardo?? They just keep digging up their own tomb, don't they?

    Yet I am still here :P
  • wast33wast33 Member Posts: 1,855 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    jacknm1 wrote: »
    I can't see a reason to start again, and if I did I'd only be adding to the problem. The Dev's said it themselves "This is our game, if you don't like it, don't play..." with that kind of attitude I'll take their advice and soon they won't have a player base left to ignore or belittle.

    There's more balance to be found in a 2 legged cat....

    And yes I was one of those idiots that spent $300 trying to get a bug ship...then got 3 in my last 3 packs....I've learnt my lesson, expensive one I admit....

    Edit: Ohh and hi wastee! you can always find me on TS over the weekend! Playing war thunder and such

    as much as i'm busy the next months with rl stuff i'll try to (gotta catch the mood). totally right: only because they destroyed what lead us here to meet all the awesome folks, is no reason to let em succeed with their divide and conquer policy lol...

    i even got a warthunder account since some months ago, but due to i only played for a short while yet i hope i can remember my credentials :D...

    Yet I am still here :-P

    i smell conspiracy :eek::D!

    i'm even too tired for ya obligatoric "blub". next time dude, next time ;)
  • jacknm1jacknm1 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2015
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  • wast33wast33 Member Posts: 1,855 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    jacknm1 wrote: »

    i try to avoid any 3rd party programm if i can get ingame without. though i'm on steam and will hit u up. but actually the only game i play per steam is simcity 4 nowadays (playin here means *watching my city grow and enjoy the soundtrack* :D). yay oldschool me :D...
  • etherealplanesetherealplanes Member Posts: 414
    edited January 2015
    wast33 wrote: »
    as much as i'm busy the next months with rl stuff i'll try to (gotta catch the mood). totally right: only because they destroyed what lead us here to meet all the awesome folks, is no reason to let em succeed with their divide and conquer policy lol...

    i even got a warthunder account since some months ago, but due to i only played for a short while yet i hope i can remember my credentials :D...




    i smell conspiracy :eek::D!

    i'm even too tired for ya obligatoric "blub". next time dude, next time ;)

    You know they are just using me to TRIBBLE the rest of the pvpers off into quitting. Think about it less pvp related tickets to read through, claim it is being submitted to the dev team, then totally discarded without consideration.

    Yes and i do feel your pain on one thing. There are times I am playing this game and literally feel like I am an old man. I can't honestly believe a game had the ability to burn someone out on such a large scale.
  • sharxtremesharxtreme Member Posts: 850 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    jacknm1 wrote: »
    I can't see a reason to start again, and if I did I'd only be adding to the problem. The Dev's said it themselves "This is our game, if you don't like it, don't play..." with that kind of attitude I'll take their advice and soon they won't have a player base left to ignore or belittle.

    Hi Jack. They really said that officially? If you don't like it- leave?
    Customer relations 0/10.

    BUT, I want to say something, now that i stopped playing PvP:

    In retrospect:
    PvP had this treatment for 2-3 years now, almost 0 patching, 0 caring and yet:
    Players bought Bugs, temporal ships, Voth ships and Recluses in masses and fleet PUG stomped and laughed down on those PUG noobs that used regular ships.

    Yes, I'm pointing that out, because this kind of mass leavings and riots could easily have been when Bug, Wells and other p2w crutch came out, with every lockbox, with every promotion.

    Yeah, that imbalance which is now T6:T5 was always there, lobi2win users just never were on the other side of the stick.
  • jacknm1jacknm1 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Yes it was said Sharx, of course they will deny it, and I agree, this has been building up, and ive always rolled with the punches and always found a way, but the way the game has gone now....its ridiculous, soon the only player left will be beameddown and smirk wondering if there has been a server crash coz there are only 2 people left...lol
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  • warthunder4preswarthunder4pres Member Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    jacknm1 wrote: »
    Edit: I expect this to get deleted and myself Banned, so get a good read in first, I'm going to take a screenshot and upload it to steam :)

    You've lost the race, 1st Ric, 2nd Gio, 3rd Jack.

    Needs moar fires. :D
  • giovasbackwtgiovasbackwt Member Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    You've lost the race, 1st Ric, 2nd Gio, 3rd Jack.

    Needs moar fires. :D

    lulzies. 2acc, FTW!
    C'mon parker mate, you can do it!!!
  • warthunder4preswarthunder4pres Member Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    I'll write here as I can't create a new thread. I should be able to, but I can't for one reason or another.

    Reading
    Since this thread is way the heck off the original topic...

    I understand why...

    Made me smile for once, the "I understand why" alone makes it the best act of moderation ever, way better than cold and distant dev messages or Smirk's horrific sense of humor of yesterday. Bluegeek's probably the only moderator I can respect right now.
  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    praxi5 wrote: »
    That was the first huge lockbox hit... people spent over $300 trying to get one before realizing just how bad the odds were.

    I wonder just how much money they made off of the Bug.

    You know what made that even more funny?

    Even later after it's introduction, I remember people opening Dominion Lockboxes expecting to get the JHAS. And I recall some ranting a lot that all they got were several JHEC's and not the JHAS they wanted :D
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  • jacknm1jacknm1 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    I'll write here as I can't create a new thread. I should be able to, but I can't for one reason or another.

    Reading



    Made me smile for once, the "I understand why" alone makes it the best act of moderation ever, way better than cold and distant dev messages or Smirk's horrific sense of humor of yesterday. Bluegeek's probably the only moderator I can respect right now.

    Agreed, why my thread hasnt been closed and myself banned i dont know....its kinda refreshing :)

    And to beameddown - Bravo sir on your excellent reply in the Patch notes thread now closed, yes the your mother part was cheesey I admit. But I atleast got you to reduce the wall of text you usually write :P Again, Bravo Sir, you've earned yourself a cookie. (on a personel note I have a fiancee and I'm a soon to be dad, but I do not refer to her as my btch....wouldnt dare).
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  • jpf2012jpf2012 Member Posts: 61 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    wow

    people still play this game props to the hardcore pvp people , for me this game died like a year ago
    i used to love pvp respect to riyott edna jedis parker mindsharp and so many more , i really need to say **** cryptic and perfect world you ****ed up a really good game with your stupid bull**** grind for everything bull**** , your whole playerbase has ****ed off now because we got sick and tired of your bull**** **** geko **** all your wanker admins they all not in touch of nothing in the game

    rant off

    gotd
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  • sharxtremesharxtreme Member Posts: 850 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    jpf2012 wrote: »
    wow

    people still play this game props to the hardcore pvp people , for me this game died like a year ago
    i used to love pvp respect to riyott edna jedis parker mindsharp and so many more , i really need to say **** cryptic and perfect world you ****ed up a really good game with your stupid bull**** grind for everything bull**** , your whole playerbase has ****ed off now because we got sick and tired of your bull**** **** geko **** all your wanker admins they all not in touch of nothing in the game

    rant off

    gotd

    Respect to you too Gorn, we miss you.
    You know what the problem is bro?
    Potential.
    It comes to me every time i play new featured episode, especially since DR.
    Seeing new episode on Kobali Prime, my away team landing in the night. Rain. Explosions and distant fights, Vaadwaur troops landing all around me. Graphic, sound, Atmosphere 10/10.
    Then a mission that involves puzzles instead of mindless scanning.

    And i stop and I think. They can make ground PvP like no other, space PvP we all would love.
    Potential is there, that is what is bothering me.
    If i saw, there is nothing there i would have stayed away last time i have gone.
  • warthunder4preswarthunder4pres Member Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    https://twitter.com/pwecaptainsmirk/status/561001645425700866

    Admin trolling: fine

    He needs a five days vacation as well, imo. :P
  • notrealednanotrealedna Member Posts: 1,028
    edited January 2015
    Today at work I plan to pee on the desk ,hit the boss in the testies and say how good I am .Its the same model cryptic uses with the thing that brings monies.
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  • giovasbackwtgiovasbackwt Member Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    edalgo wrote: »
    Game is dead.

    They deleted your Game is Dead thread outright. No trace of it.

    Everyone does need a vacation but from STO. A permanent 1!

    Actually, that was MY thread. lol :D
  • jacknm1jacknm1 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Beameddown my god another wall of text! I tried to respond in the other thread but it got closed. And before you Read on yes, you are forgiven and thank you for the congrats :) Apologies to yourself but you are a worthy person to write these to and take the rolls with the punches :)

    Yes I flew a bug. But you do not need to ask everyone else in this forum I was much more than that. You judge me by signature yet again sir. My bug got retired a long time ago and I flew the fleet patrol escort refit. But everyone here knows me for my sci captains and eng healers just as much as my tac ships / bugs. And even in the bug I always sought out the biggest challeneges and usually 1v1 bugships exclusively and fought to better myself and others if they asked for help. Was I the best and OP...no not at all, I often got my TRIBBLE handed to my by better players like hank, hannibal, Mr X, Toothless, Master Yoda and I got my share of wins too....need I go on.

    You do not know me well enough to make the assumptions you have above just by looking at my sig. To deny what happened to PVP over the last year with power changes and mechanics is simply cryptic propaganda. But your entitled to your opinion and so am I, no matter how wrong or right we may be.

    Fact of the matter is cryptic has totally lost site of what the original vision of this game was. They have been blinded by the cash cow opportunities and to hell with the rest of us. That new ship embodies their new philosophy.

    I too love Trek, I even got the voyager box set for christmas and Watch it to go to sleep to...lol (yes im that sad) I am my child will have a Trek / Sci-Fi upbringing....poor kid...lol but it sickens and depresses me to play this game any longer, even just logging in and looking at what the costs are these days....you can no longer call this game Free to Play...its work for free!
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  • notrealednanotrealedna Member Posts: 1,028
    edited January 2015
    jacknm1 wrote: »
    Yes I flew a bug. But you do not need to ask everyone else in this forum I was much more than that. You judge me by signature yet again sir. My bug got retired a long time ago and I flew the fleet patrol escort refit. But everyone here knows me for my sci captains and eng healers just as much as my tac ships / bugs. And even in the bug I always sought out the biggest challeneges and usually 1v1 bugships exclusively and fought to better myself and others if they asked for help. Was I the best and OP...no not at all, I often got my TRIBBLE handed to my by better players like hank, hannibal, Mr X, Toothless, Master Yoda and I got my share of wins too....need I go on.

    its strange how pve heroes still QQ about bugs .They should get a bug against my bug ...i want to see their "op'ness" .

    you know the nOOblets when they start b1tch1n about bugs which were a tad better than fleet patrol ,even though there were tons of other ships out there easier to play with ,ships that got better results against bugs.
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