The storyline would have been much more interesting had we been allowed to become Sela's hand against Hakeev and his Tal Shiar, against the Elachi, against warlords trying to carve themselves a fief in the chaos following the destruction of Romulus, against D'Tan, and so on, secretly fighting and undermining our 'allies' and being undermined by them even as we face our common enemies, turning both our enemies and our allies against one another as we prepare a divine move and try not to fall for theirs. It had the potential to become Romance of the Three Kingdoms in space and with fungus people, and the Romulans were ideal for it: Passionate, proud, scheming. Both cool headed and hot blooded, both honourable and backstabbing, both driven and calculating, both loyal and treacherous, with more than enough excellence to pull the impossible and more than enough hubris to have it all collapse around them. Who better than them to tell a story about great people of ambition and vision playing each other like pieces in a board? Instead we got the same old liberal drivel, with monodimensional moustache twirling cartoon villains and preschool level of political discourse to booth.
So as far as I am concerned my character's only with D'Tan because he pays the maintenance, repair, and medical bills and because New Romulus is a safe port surrounded by fertile marauding grounds. The moment a strong and charismatic warlord comes into the picture she's backstabbing the Republic so hard D'Tan will be unable to sit for a hundred or so of his next incarnations.
Edit: Bonus points if he offers to turn Tovan into my very own Elachi boff.
I dunno, some weekly 'quality time' with Sela might do it. I'de gladly toss Obisek and his cronies into the warp core for a regular schedule of moist, tender moments with the Empress.
The RSE as it is ? No. It's nowhere close to the old RSE, it just happen to have the same name.
The RSE as it was before Shinzon ? Yes.
From my Romulan point of vue, the old RSE was in need of some changes. For example having the Reman included as part of the Empire is a good thing. Breaking a bit the isolationism, and having diplomatic contact with the other civilizations is fine, as long as it's limited, and always to our advantage. You know, planting spies, inciting skirmishes and war amongst them when they start to be a threat (divide et impera), and stuff like that. Usual Romulan stuff.
She believe in a policed state, as i used to be, and think the Tal Shiar are the root of all the problems. They were created for a purpose, but they went power hungry as time goes, until they had more power than the senator themselves, acting as a faction inside the RSE, pulling the strings. We can clearly see they are hated by the military, and have control over the senators themselves during the Reunification issue.
Tal Shiar were created to protect the Romulan, but ended up protecting themselves. They were an unofficial splinter faction well before STO.
In short, a new RSE yes. Not the one it is now. Meanwhile, the Republic is a good alternative, and the survival of the Romulan comes first, there is enough time to speak politics later.
Next hardest would be Jevelek, who really only joined the Republic because she strongly dislikes the Tal Shiar. She liked the Empire well enough, she thought the problem was their effectively unchecked Tal Shiar gestapo. The problem is, since the Tal Shiar are now synonymous with the Empire, there's no way she'd wind up joining them.
Glad Im not the only one with Romulans that feel like this. Hopefully we can tear both down and raise the banner of the Raptor Empire one day. Doubt it as long as the TRIBBLE at cryptic decide our fate tho
Nice to know there are other characters out there who are still loyal Imperialists at heart.
Nice to know there are other characters out there who are still loyal Imperialists at heart.
Meanwhile, while the good folks of the RSE are looking to the past and trying to stand against the tide of history, the people of the Romulan Republic will be spending our time securing a better future for our people, rather then chasing an illusion.
Meanwhile, while the good folks of the RSE are looking to the past and trying to stand against the tide of history, the people of the Romulan Republic will be spending our time securing a better future for our people, rather then chasing an illusion.
Assuming you dont destroy our new homeworld in dumbass power grabs or stretch our forces so thin trying to claim everything in sight that a chimpanzee and 2 trainees could take our worlds.
Assuming you dont destroy our new homeworld in dumbass power grabs or stretch our forces so thin trying to claim everything in sight that a chimpanzee and 2 trainees could take our worlds.
You mean the same thing the RSE already did? Fighting against everyone in the galaxy, while also fighting and losing a civil war? Great policy. I'll be sure to respect your copyright on genius plans.
P.S.: If you are an imperialist, why are you on NR? Curious about that. I'd think you'd call some world in Iota Pavonis home. ALso, hardly your forces that are being "stretched thin".
You mean the same thing the RSE already did? Fighting against everyone in the galaxy, while also fighting and losing a civil war? Great policy. I'll be sure to respect your copyright on genius plans.
P.S.: If you are an imperialist, why are you on NR? Curious about that. I'd think you'd call some world in Iota Pavonis home. ALso, hardly your forces that are being "stretched thin".
You're obviously new here(/sarcasm), I've long stated that the Cryptic designed joke that is the RSE in STO is far too corrupt and broken to salvage. I've also long been on record as wanting to shoot D'Tan and Kererek for their incompetent behavior regarding an Iconian Gateway with a history of causing global disaster. Ta'ina Kalama and her brother work with their Federation and KDF allies respectively to gain the resources needed to give rise to the Raptor Empire. Because neither of the current options are viable, and we really need to stop holding Romulans above our Reman relatives when naming states. :P
S'koalus is a bit less picky... As long has he has a dark hole to keep away the brightness and lots of killing to be done, he's happy to leave politics to others. Fortunately the Vaadwaur have volunteered to keep him and his Reman crew quite happily knee deep in violence.
You're obviously new here(/sarcasm), I've long stated that the Cryptic designed joke that is the RSE in STO is far too corrupt and broken to salvage. I've also long been on record as wanting to shoot D'Tan and Kererek for their incompetent behavior regarding an Iconian Gateway with a history of causing global disaster. Ta'ina Kalama and her brother work with their Federation and KDF allies respectively to gain the resources needed to give rise to the Raptor Empire. Because neither of the current options are viable, and we really need to stop holding Romulans above our Reman relatives when naming states. :P
S'koalus is a bit less picky... As long has he has a dark hole to keep away the brightness and lots of killing to be done, he's happy to leave politics to others. Fortunately the Vaadwaur have volunteered to keep him and his Reman crew quite happily knee deep in violence.
So...let's see if I can puzzle this out now that I have the goods. (I was joking about the current RSE's incompetence)
You don't like the Republic (clearly), but also don't like the Empire. You want to construct a new empire out of both of them? And please explain how the Republic is not a viable state?
As for D'tan and Kerek, from my point of view, neither are "incompentant". One is a politician and the other a soldier. Both of them depend on advice from their advisors. In this case, D'tan had people like Adranna yelling "Go go go" in his ear. Also, the gateway was a trap. If you recall, the Iconians set it specifically to destroy Mol'Rihan, and everything looked fine until it was activated. Even Worf, the guy yelling at everyone who would listen that it was a bad idea, agreed that everything seemed to be in order. ANd precautions were taken, such as extra security, and demolition charges to destroy the gate in case of a problem (and as it turns out, nowhere near strong enough to take it down). Kererek, meanwhile, was not really part of the descision making process, because being a soldier, and not a scientist, the gateway was not in his area of expertise. Finally, that was not exactly something that could be foreseen. The other two Iconian gateways hadn't done that, and no one knew until later what happened to the Dewans.
Vranuk stands tall alongside his Reman brothers and would destroy the remnents of the Tal'Shiar for the death and Elachiment of his family on Crataris (Vranuk was only visiting his freinds on Virinat, his home was on Crataris).
Captain Joseph Riker, U.S.S. Odyssey==General V'Mar, U.S.S. Blackwater-A==Admiral Laura Holmes, U.S.S. Forward Unto Dawn Grand Master Thotok, son of Koloth, I.K.S. Sompek==Dahar Master Shanara, I.K.S. Balth'Quv Admiral R'Tath V'Tirex, R.R.W. Dhael Glohha'enh==Commander Ta'eth Korval, R.R.W Hachae ch'Rhian==Admiral Vranuk, R.R.W Delevhas
So...let's see if I can puzzle this out now that I have the goods. (I was joking about the current RSE's incompetence)
You don't like the Republic (clearly), but also don't like the Empire. You want to construct a new empire out of both of them? And please explain how the Republic is not a viable state?
As for D'tan and Kerek, from my point of view, neither are "incompentant". One is a politician and the other a soldier. Both of them depend on advice from their advisors. In this case, D'tan had people like Adranna yelling "Go go go" in his ear. Also, the gateway was a trap. If you recall, the Iconians set it specifically to destroy Mol'Rihan, and everything looked fine until it was activated. Even Worf, the guy yelling at everyone who would listen that it was a bad idea, agreed that everything seemed to be in order. ANd precautions were taken, such as extra security, and demolition charges to destroy the gate in case of a problem (and as it turns out, nowhere near strong enough to take it down). Kererek, meanwhile, was not really part of the descision making process, because being a soldier, and not a scientist, the gateway was not in his area of expertise. Finally, that was not exactly something that could be foreseen. The other two Iconian gateways hadn't done that, and no one knew until later what happened to the Dewans.
Well given you're opinions, there is probably no point to this, but...
1)When even your chief engineer says 'something is off' you WAIT you don't plow forward with activation because you want to look good to the Feds and KDF or because you're on a timetable.
2)When pretty much everyone, including the "experts" you invited, except A'dranna says 'this is a bad idea we should wait and study more' you WAIT.
3)A'dranna was quite leery of the idea of turning on the gate when D'Tan first mentioned it in the t5 rom rep mission, even after she was brain frelled by the iconians to sabotage it she wasn't all "go go go"
4)The activation of the gate(which you also discover in the same mission) by the Dewans shows that it caused the problems which ended their civilization, so you already know it has a history.
5)ADMIRAL Kererek is most definitely part of the decision making process, he's the military leader of the republic ffs, answers directly to D'Tan, and was in charge of overseeing the project. And like most military men he ignored all the caution and went balls to the wall forward with something he did not understand.(see most any bad syfy movie from the last 10+yrs)
6)No not everything looked fine, the Chief Engineer specifically stated the readings seemed off.
7)D'Tan was the one that coughed up the idea to turn on the gate, not an advisor.
Turning on the gate was a glory hound project... D'Tan's attempt to yell "See we're not a dead power/race! We haz powah!" and, like his attempt to claim the Jenolan Sphere, it's one of the few times he actually shows some Romulan blood really does flow through his veins. Nothing would have been lost by waiting months/years to activate that gate except ego. They'd gone through a rushed cycle and called everyone for a big show, now they were going to deliver a big show, caution and concerns be damned. Well they certainly delivered a show alright.... and even had the gall to ***** at you for saving Mol'Rihan the only way you could.
p.s.
you really never seen me go on about most of this in any thread earlier than this? Protogoth, others, and I have done several rounds and even I'm sick of seeing the same threads over and over
If you don't have I.R.W. on your hull, then you have sold out your Romulan heritage.
The Tal'Shiar should be restored, but only as what it was meant to be - a great intelligence service. Without proper limits and oversight in the Senate, its leaders became corrupt and betrayed our people to alien masters who brought about devastation to the homeworld, and the Empire.
I think many loyal RSE military officers, politicians, and citizens are still out there. They know what it was like when the Romulan Star Empire was a name that struck fear across the quadrant. We were a force to be reckoned with. We stood up to the Federation, and defeated the Klingons. We expanded our Empire in careful, calculated ways. We can return to that greatness again.
Above all, the Senate must be restored, a new Praetor elected, and the Remans must be put on equal footing. It was foolish to make our Reman brothers subservient to Romulans. We are stronger with them than without.
What does D'Tan offer you in the Republic? The same thing the Tal'Shiar brought upon you. A life of mediocrity at best, slavery at worst. Are you a lackey of the Federation? Or do you now take orders from Klingon masters?
"After a time, you may find that having is not so pleasing a thing after all as wanting. It is not logical, but it is often true. Except for a T5 Connie. That would be f*%#ing awesome." - Mr. Spock
Kill Sela, get the Imperial Warlords under their control, wage a war of terror against Elachi and Hirogen to the point where the thought of entering Imperial space fills their hearts with dread and their pants with...well you know, do a strong round of cleaning house for Tal'Shiar, and joining the Fed-Klingon-Republic forces in the fight against the Iconian threat.
Easy . . . Bridge officers and duty officers that stay in their @#$%! seats!
No Kodachikuno, I've never seen you say that. I don't really have the inclination to go back and read through all the threads since LoR. I've literally never seen you say that.
D'tan offers something that people have given their lives for time and again throughout histpry: Freedom. The right to self determination. The ability to be your own master, without the specter of ihhea dinam looming over your shoulder. As the French say, "Libert
No Kodachikuno, I've never seen you say that. I don't really have the inclination to go back and read through all the threads since LoR. I've literally never seen you say that.
D'tan offers something that people have given their lives for time and again throughout histpry: Freedom. The right to self determination. The ability to be your own master, without the specter of ihhea dinam looming over your shoulder. As the French say, "Libert
Are you purposefully trying to troll here? Ive already stated the existing RSE, as cryptic has butchered it, is too corrupt to save and Ive said before that the vast bulk of the Tal Shiar just need eviction from the gene pool, forcibly. My last post to you wasn't even for or against the Empire/Republic just going point by point down your list of poor defenses for Kererek and D'Tan and showing in several points where you were provably wrong.
Sorry. That wasn't talking to you. It was for the guy after you, Spockout. An IC response. Sorry I didn't make that clear.
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The storyline would have been much more interesting had we been allowed to become Sela's hand against Hakeev and his Tal Shiar, against the Elachi, against warlords trying to carve themselves a fief in the chaos following the destruction of Romulus, against D'Tan, and so on, secretly fighting and undermining our 'allies' and being undermined by them even as we face our common enemies, turning both our enemies and our allies against one another as we prepare a divine move and try not to fall for theirs. It had the potential to become Romance of the Three Kingdoms in space and with fungus people, and the Romulans were ideal for it: Passionate, proud, scheming. Both cool headed and hot blooded, both honourable and backstabbing, both driven and calculating, both loyal and treacherous, with more than enough excellence to pull the impossible and more than enough hubris to have it all collapse around them. Who better than them to tell a story about great people of ambition and vision playing each other like pieces in a board? Instead we got the same old liberal drivel, with monodimensional moustache twirling cartoon villains and preschool level of political discourse to booth.
So as far as I am concerned my character's only with D'Tan because he pays the maintenance, repair, and medical bills and because New Romulus is a safe port surrounded by fertile marauding grounds. The moment a strong and charismatic warlord comes into the picture she's backstabbing the Republic so hard D'Tan will be unable to sit for a hundred or so of his next incarnations.
Edit: Bonus points if he offers to turn Tovan into my very own Elachi boff.
Awoken Dead
Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
I almost didnt get this... then I remembered Elachi are SILENT
My character Tsin'xing
Nice to know there are other characters out there who are still loyal Imperialists at heart.
Meanwhile, while the good folks of the RSE are looking to the past and trying to stand against the tide of history, the people of the Romulan Republic will be spending our time securing a better future for our people, rather then chasing an illusion.
You never know what side I'm on.
Assuming you dont destroy our new homeworld in dumbass power grabs or stretch our forces so thin trying to claim everything in sight that a chimpanzee and 2 trainees could take our worlds.
You mean the same thing the RSE already did? Fighting against everyone in the galaxy, while also fighting and losing a civil war? Great policy. I'll be sure to respect your copyright on genius plans.
P.S.: If you are an imperialist, why are you on NR? Curious about that. I'd think you'd call some world in Iota Pavonis home. ALso, hardly your forces that are being "stretched thin".
You're obviously new here(/sarcasm), I've long stated that the Cryptic designed joke that is the RSE in STO is far too corrupt and broken to salvage. I've also long been on record as wanting to shoot D'Tan and Kererek for their incompetent behavior regarding an Iconian Gateway with a history of causing global disaster. Ta'ina Kalama and her brother work with their Federation and KDF allies respectively to gain the resources needed to give rise to the Raptor Empire. Because neither of the current options are viable, and we really need to stop holding Romulans above our Reman relatives when naming states. :P
S'koalus is a bit less picky... As long has he has a dark hole to keep away the brightness and lots of killing to be done, he's happy to leave politics to others. Fortunately the Vaadwaur have volunteered to keep him and his Reman crew quite happily knee deep in violence.
So...let's see if I can puzzle this out now that I have the goods. (I was joking about the current RSE's incompetence)
You don't like the Republic (clearly), but also don't like the Empire. You want to construct a new empire out of both of them? And please explain how the Republic is not a viable state?
As for D'tan and Kerek, from my point of view, neither are "incompentant". One is a politician and the other a soldier. Both of them depend on advice from their advisors. In this case, D'tan had people like Adranna yelling "Go go go" in his ear. Also, the gateway was a trap. If you recall, the Iconians set it specifically to destroy Mol'Rihan, and everything looked fine until it was activated. Even Worf, the guy yelling at everyone who would listen that it was a bad idea, agreed that everything seemed to be in order. ANd precautions were taken, such as extra security, and demolition charges to destroy the gate in case of a problem (and as it turns out, nowhere near strong enough to take it down). Kererek, meanwhile, was not really part of the descision making process, because being a soldier, and not a scientist, the gateway was not in his area of expertise. Finally, that was not exactly something that could be foreseen. The other two Iconian gateways hadn't done that, and no one knew until later what happened to the Dewans.
Grand Master Thotok, son of Koloth, I.K.S. Sompek==Dahar Master Shanara, I.K.S. Balth'Quv
Admiral R'Tath V'Tirex, R.R.W. Dhael Glohha'enh==Commander Ta'eth Korval, R.R.W Hachae ch'Rhian==Admiral Vranuk, R.R.W Delevhas
Well given you're opinions, there is probably no point to this, but...
1)When even your chief engineer says 'something is off' you WAIT you don't plow forward with activation because you want to look good to the Feds and KDF or because you're on a timetable.
2)When pretty much everyone, including the "experts" you invited, except A'dranna says 'this is a bad idea we should wait and study more' you WAIT.
3)A'dranna was quite leery of the idea of turning on the gate when D'Tan first mentioned it in the t5 rom rep mission, even after she was brain frelled by the iconians to sabotage it she wasn't all "go go go"
4)The activation of the gate(which you also discover in the same mission) by the Dewans shows that it caused the problems which ended their civilization, so you already know it has a history.
5)ADMIRAL Kererek is most definitely part of the decision making process, he's the military leader of the republic ffs, answers directly to D'Tan, and was in charge of overseeing the project. And like most military men he ignored all the caution and went balls to the wall forward with something he did not understand.(see most any bad syfy movie from the last 10+yrs)
6)No not everything looked fine, the Chief Engineer specifically stated the readings seemed off.
7)D'Tan was the one that coughed up the idea to turn on the gate, not an advisor.
Turning on the gate was a glory hound project... D'Tan's attempt to yell "See we're not a dead power/race! We haz powah!" and, like his attempt to claim the Jenolan Sphere, it's one of the few times he actually shows some Romulan blood really does flow through his veins. Nothing would have been lost by waiting months/years to activate that gate except ego. They'd gone through a rushed cycle and called everyone for a big show, now they were going to deliver a big show, caution and concerns be damned. Well they certainly delivered a show alright.... and even had the gall to ***** at you for saving Mol'Rihan the only way you could.
p.s.
you really never seen me go on about most of this in any thread earlier than this? Protogoth, others, and I have done several rounds and even I'm sick of seeing the same threads over and over
The Tal'Shiar should be restored, but only as what it was meant to be - a great intelligence service. Without proper limits and oversight in the Senate, its leaders became corrupt and betrayed our people to alien masters who brought about devastation to the homeworld, and the Empire.
I think many loyal RSE military officers, politicians, and citizens are still out there. They know what it was like when the Romulan Star Empire was a name that struck fear across the quadrant. We were a force to be reckoned with. We stood up to the Federation, and defeated the Klingons. We expanded our Empire in careful, calculated ways. We can return to that greatness again.
Above all, the Senate must be restored, a new Praetor elected, and the Remans must be put on equal footing. It was foolish to make our Reman brothers subservient to Romulans. We are stronger with them than without.
What does D'Tan offer you in the Republic? The same thing the Tal'Shiar brought upon you. A life of mediocrity at best, slavery at worst. Are you a lackey of the Federation? Or do you now take orders from Klingon masters?
Easy . . . Bridge officers and duty officers that stay in their @#$%! seats!
D'tan offers something that people have given their lives for time and again throughout histpry: Freedom. The right to self determination. The ability to be your own master, without the specter of ihhea dinam looming over your shoulder. As the French say, "Libert
Sorry. That wasn't talking to you. It was for the guy after you, Spockout. An IC response. Sorry I didn't make that clear.