And in regard to the APU, I wonder what "versatile bridge officer seating arrangement" will translate to. Since it's not T6, no Command specialist slots. So maybe some universal BOFF slots?
Apparently, 'versatile' means 'has to run Aux2Bat to be useful', though I suppose Reciprocity and Bio- Neural Gel Packs would work too.
3 Tac consoles and only a Lt. Tac and Ens. Uni limits it's firepower, 2 sci consoles means it can't stack but 2 [+Th][pla] consoles to get decent threat generation to be effective at stealing aggro for tanking. No Gravity Well for any Sci fun. Pretty nice turnrate of 8, though.
I guess with all the people wanting it for a Star Gate Ha'Tak meant they had to put out a poor layout to keep from having too many running around.
I was almost considering doing the anniversary grind but seeing these ships makes that an easy no. That ship is worthless compared to these.
at 50 every wave of lockboxes was different from the previous. Most of the time slightly more powerful.
Looking at the ship traits and the boff/console layouts on these 2 ships.... I can not fathom what the next step of power creep will be in future lockboxes.
You can start flying it at level 40, and it replaces the old mirror ships as the small prize. T6 you need to be 50.
For those who can't afford the 68-ish million for lobi ships, or the 100-ish million for lockbox ships spending 200k-ish ec plus the option of another 8-ish million for 5u is a very affordable option.
They list SubA lvl required according to the blog and, last I checked, that is not lvl 50!
Which I find odd, seeing how many tier5 ships still require VA.
And I hope this is going to be nerfed some, seeing how it has a greater shield mod, than quite a few cruisers and, matches some of the most potent sci-vessels, on an escort no less!
Tier: 6
Faction: All
Rank Required: Rear Admiral / Brigadier General / Sub Admiral I
Availability: Vaadwaur Lockbox
Hull Strength: 30,000 at level 40, 34,500 at level 50 and 40,000 at level 60
Shield Modifier: 1.2
Crew: 150
Weapons: 5 Fore, 2 Aft
Device Slots: 2
Bridge Officer Stations: 1 Lieutenant Tactical, 1 Commander Tactical, 1 Lieutenant Commander Engineering, 1 Lieutenant Science/Intelligence, 1 Lieutenant Universal
Console Modifications: 5 Tactical, 4 Engineering, 2 Science
Base Turn Rate: 18 degrees per second
Impulse Modifier: 0.21
Inertia: 70
+10 Weapon Power, +10 Engine Power
Can Equip Dual Cannons
Console Universal Polaron Barrage Launcher
Matter-Antimatter Warp Core
Starship Mastery Package (Escort) ◦Precise Weapon Systems
◦Tactical Maneuvering
◦Enhanced Weapon Systems
◦Devastating Weaponry
◦Frontal Assault (Starship Trait)
They kinda dropped the ball on the APU. Even if they wanna keep it a vanilla Tier 5, they could have given it a much more interesting Boff layout. Great how they described it as versatile in the previous blog, lol.
Well, the patrols with apus as enemies have more than one class of ship, so there's still hope for future variants. I wouldn't call this useless, but I also doubt it will ever be popular.
Like the mirror ships, its not meant to be a top of the line ship, its meant to be a budget fun option. I think it fills that niche. But I do also hope for something later that is stronger.
Well, the patrols with apus as enemies have more than one class of ship, so there's still hope for future variants. I wouldn't call this useless, but I also doubt it will ever be popular.
Like the mirror ships, its not meant to be a top of the line ship, its meant to be a budget fun option. I think it fills that niche. But I do also hope for something later that is stronger.
The thing that I like about the APU ship is that it is a very very solid t5 cruiser that you do NOT have to be in a fleet to get, OR invest heavily in keys OR lobi, OR buy zen OR Grind out dilithium to convert to zen to get.
The APU cruiser is essentially the cheapest cruiser that can get 10 consoles in the game, is very maneuverable for a cruiser, and can run aux to bat. It is a free to play solo players dream. All you have to do is save up the few 100k ec to buy it off the exchange, and 1/12 the cost of a lockbox ship worth of ec to buy the ship upgrade token.
Once I realized all that I became a very big fan of the ship and its place in this crazy world of T5, T5.5, T5-U, T-6, and T6.5 ships. Especially since I no longer feel comfortable recommending people spend money on this game, it is nice to have dirt cheap ships that can be upgraded relatively cheaply that I can point players to. I hope to see more ships like it and the Kazon raider in the future. Hell I am more excited by this ship because of this than I am any of the vaadwaur stuff in this lock box.
The thing I've found curious is with all the mention of Supremacy elsewhere, there hasn't been much discussion of it in this thread...with the trait being available from the Astika...the Lobi ship.
The thing that I like about the APU ship is that it is a very very solid t5 cruiser that you do NOT have to be in a fleet to get, OR invest heavily in keys OR lobi, OR buy zen OR Grind out dilithium to convert to zen to get.
The APU cruiser is essentially the cheapest cruiser that can get 10 consoles in the game, is very maneuverable for a cruiser, and can run aux to bat. It is a free to play solo players dream. All you have to do is save up the few 100k ec to buy it off the exchange, and 1/12 the cost of a lockbox ship worth of ec to buy the ship upgrade token.
Once I realized all that I became a very big fan of the ship and its place in this crazy world of T5, T5.5, T5-U, T-6, and T6.5 ships. Especially since I no longer feel comfortable recommending people spend money on this game, it is nice to have dirt cheap ships that can be upgraded relatively cheaply that I can point players to. I hope to see more ships like it and the Kazon raider in the future. Hell I am more excited by this ship because of this than I am any of the vaadwaur stuff in this lock box.
You do have a point that Mirror ships (sadly) aren't upgradeable, so for a T5-U ship, the Kazon raider and this Ha'tak truly are the cheapest.
Unless of course you were to consider Event ships. The Risian cruiser has nothing to be ashamed of with its free upgrade, and the Kobali cruiser doesn't seem all that bad either (with the bonus of a 13th Boff ability and specialization capability).
My disapointment came from yesterday's blog where the APU ship was described as with "versatile bridge officer seating arrangement". I know, my bad expecting something good based on a line in a blog, but well, there were interesting and unique Mirror ships previously: Mirror Somraw, Mirror Negh'var, Mirrror Vo'quv. Those not being upgradeable also dealt another blow to the KDF ship lineup.
And Virusdancer, what more is there to say about Supremacy?
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Smells like a money grab imo.Just more new content without any fixes or balancing to recent additions to the game yet.Longer I play this game the deeper my wallet gets in my pocket.:rolleyes:
And Virusdancer, what more is there to say about Supremacy?
That it's going to be a 900 Lobi Starship Trait...it's not going to be something that randomly pops out of a lock box. Folks will have to feed keys to boxes to get Supremacy...averaging 4-5 per box, that's 180 to 225 keys....20250 to 25375 Zen for it. Per character.
It's one thing to end up with the Lobi as you're bouncing boxes trying to get other stuff, but psychologically it could take on another aspect when folks actually want the trait from the ship, eh?
Just some speculation there...that it might get interesting.
Nice to see the OP ships go Lockbox though as usual. Nevermind, back to playing in my 5K dps Connie, to be honest you dont need any ship other than a T1 to run all content.
No more will I spend hundreds to thousands of dollars to get nothing; for the last 5 years. I will not play your game of teasing me with shiny things to only be slapped in the face. I supported you guys since beta, and I say no more. I am a lifer since day one, and I say no more. More and more people need to wake up and tell STO that you are not going to support this kind of game play. Hurt them where it counts, in their wallets, then they will listen.
No more will I spend hundreds to thousands of dollars to get nothing; for the last 5 years. I will not play your game of teasing me with shiny things to only be slapped in the face. I supported you guys since beta, and I say no more. I am a lifer since day one, and I say no more. More and more people need to wake up and tell STO that you are not going to support this kind of game play. Hurt them where it counts, in their wallets, then they will listen.
Join Date: Feb 2014 << that is your join date, not five years ago LOL if you want to beleive youve been here for more then that go ahead but the data disagrees with you
Really, join date 2014, that’s the forum join date, not the game itself. My message was talking about the game. No where, in my message, was I referring to the forums. I have been playing the game since day one, and a lifer. Got the TOS Ship for joining thru Game Stop, got the Red Matter, the Borg playable toon…etc. I also did the last few months, before going live, as a beta. So son, remember this…
"It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."
Mark Twain
Really, join date 2014, thats the forum join date, not the game itself. My message was talking about the game. No where, in my message, was I referring to the forums. I have been playing the game since day one, and a lifer. Got the TOS Ship for joining thru Game Stop, got the Red Matter, the Borg playable toon etc. I also did the last few months, before going live, as a beta. So son, remember this
"It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."
Mark Twain
You TROLLED failed!!!!
if it makes u happy to say thats when you joined so be it, but the facts dissagree as i dont beleive you your lieing.... oh and watch who u call a troll, and sorry but if u had been here for five years it would say june 2012 lol.
Are you guys that ****ing bored that you come on here to try to start ****. Damn, the only thing I said at the start, is that I am not going to play "try our luck and finding the ship in the box" I don't give a flying **** if the forums said I started two days ago...
Are you guys that ****ing bored that you come on here to try to start ****. Damn, the only thing I said at the start, is that I am not going to play "try our luck and finding the ship in the box" I don't give a flying **** if the forums said I started two days ago...
shhh little troll..... just beleive what u want to beleive, it dont make it facts... data makes facts, not u saying this or saying that is not a fact its just lies.
if it makes u happy to say thats when you joined so be it, but the facts dissagree as i dont beleive you your lieing.... oh and watch who u call a troll, and sorry but if u had been here for five years it would say june 2012 lol.
you failed, u epicly failed
try using Microsoft Word, might help with your spelling..just saying buddy...
"but the facts dissagree as i dont beleive you your lieing"
Are you saying you don’t believe I am lying? Do you even know wtf you are saying? Have you even read what you typed?
“sorry but if u had been here for five years it would say june 2012 lol.”
WHAT… Again read what you typed..
shhh little troll..... just beleive what u want to beleive, it dont make it facts... data makes facts, not u saying this or saying that is not a fact its just lies.
That it's going to be a 900 Lobi Starship Trait...it's not going to be something that randomly pops out of a lock box. Folks will have to feed keys to boxes to get Supremacy...averaging 4-5 per box, that's 180 to 225 keys....20250 to 25375 Zen for it. Per character.
It's one thing to end up with the Lobi as you're bouncing boxes trying to get other stuff, but psychologically it could take on another aspect when folks actually want the trait from the ship, eh?
Just some speculation there...that it might get interesting.
Yes, it is expensive to get a Lobi ship. And getting a Lobi ship only for an item found on a Lobi ship may seem even crazier (like say a console to make a set, like on Voth ships for a better cloak).
Now they're playing this game with ship traits. They can release uninteresting new ships with phenoenal traits and a large number of people will still get them.
Also, if you're after a Lobi ship and nothing that's found in Lockboxes (other than the Lobi), just buy the ship off the exchange (same with any other tradeable lobi item).
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
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Apparently, 'versatile' means 'has to run Aux2Bat to be useful', though I suppose Reciprocity and Bio- Neural Gel Packs would work too.
Bridge Officer Stations: 1 Lieutenant Tactical, 1 Lieutenant Commander Engineering, 1 Commander Engineering, 1 Lieutenant Science, 1 Ensign Universal
3 Tac consoles and only a Lt. Tac and Ens. Uni limits it's firepower, 2 sci consoles means it can't stack but 2 [+Th][pla] consoles to get decent threat generation to be effective at stealing aggro for tanking. No Gravity Well for any Sci fun. Pretty nice turnrate of 8, though.
I guess with all the people wanting it for a Star Gate Ha'Tak meant they had to put out a poor layout to keep from having too many running around.
well, the Heavy Cruiser's trait seems like a tac PvE DPSer's wet dream ... :P
at 50 every wave of lockboxes was different from the previous. Most of the time slightly more powerful.
Looking at the ship traits and the boff/console layouts on these 2 ships.... I can not fathom what the next step of power creep will be in future lockboxes.
They list SubA lvl required according to the blog and, last I checked, that is not lvl 50!
Which I find odd, seeing how many tier5 ships still require VA.
And I hope this is going to be nerfed some, seeing how it has a greater shield mod, than quite a few cruisers and, matches some of the most potent sci-vessels, on an escort no less!
Tier: 6
Faction: All
Rank Required: Rear Admiral / Brigadier General / Sub Admiral I
Availability: Vaadwaur Lockbox
Hull Strength: 30,000 at level 40, 34,500 at level 50 and 40,000 at level 60
Shield Modifier: 1.2
Crew: 150
Weapons: 5 Fore, 2 Aft
Device Slots: 2
Bridge Officer Stations: 1 Lieutenant Tactical, 1 Commander Tactical, 1 Lieutenant Commander Engineering, 1 Lieutenant Science/Intelligence, 1 Lieutenant Universal
Console Modifications: 5 Tactical, 4 Engineering, 2 Science
Base Turn Rate: 18 degrees per second
Impulse Modifier: 0.21
Inertia: 70
+10 Weapon Power, +10 Engine Power
Can Equip Dual Cannons
Console Universal Polaron Barrage Launcher
Matter-Antimatter Warp Core
Starship Mastery Package (Escort) ◦Precise Weapon Systems
◦Tactical Maneuvering
◦Enhanced Weapon Systems
◦Devastating Weaponry
◦Frontal Assault (Starship Trait)
Praetor of the -RTS- Romulan Tal Shiar fleet!
Well, the patrols with apus as enemies have more than one class of ship, so there's still hope for future variants. I wouldn't call this useless, but I also doubt it will ever be popular.
Like the mirror ships, its not meant to be a top of the line ship, its meant to be a budget fun option. I think it fills that niche. But I do also hope for something later that is stronger.
The thing that I like about the APU ship is that it is a very very solid t5 cruiser that you do NOT have to be in a fleet to get, OR invest heavily in keys OR lobi, OR buy zen OR Grind out dilithium to convert to zen to get.
The APU cruiser is essentially the cheapest cruiser that can get 10 consoles in the game, is very maneuverable for a cruiser, and can run aux to bat. It is a free to play solo players dream. All you have to do is save up the few 100k ec to buy it off the exchange, and 1/12 the cost of a lockbox ship worth of ec to buy the ship upgrade token.
Once I realized all that I became a very big fan of the ship and its place in this crazy world of T5, T5.5, T5-U, T-6, and T6.5 ships. Especially since I no longer feel comfortable recommending people spend money on this game, it is nice to have dirt cheap ships that can be upgraded relatively cheaply that I can point players to. I hope to see more ships like it and the Kazon raider in the future. Hell I am more excited by this ship because of this than I am any of the vaadwaur stuff in this lock box.
You do have a point that Mirror ships (sadly) aren't upgradeable, so for a T5-U ship, the Kazon raider and this Ha'tak truly are the cheapest.
Unless of course you were to consider Event ships. The Risian cruiser has nothing to be ashamed of with its free upgrade, and the Kobali cruiser doesn't seem all that bad either (with the bonus of a 13th Boff ability and specialization capability).
My disapointment came from yesterday's blog where the APU ship was described as with "versatile bridge officer seating arrangement". I know, my bad expecting something good based on a line in a blog, but well, there were interesting and unique Mirror ships previously: Mirror Somraw, Mirror Negh'var, Mirrror Vo'quv. Those not being upgradeable also dealt another blow to the KDF ship lineup.
And Virusdancer, what more is there to say about Supremacy?
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
That it's going to be a 900 Lobi Starship Trait...it's not going to be something that randomly pops out of a lock box. Folks will have to feed keys to boxes to get Supremacy...averaging 4-5 per box, that's 180 to 225 keys....20250 to 25375 Zen for it. Per character.
It's one thing to end up with the Lobi as you're bouncing boxes trying to get other stuff, but psychologically it could take on another aspect when folks actually want the trait from the ship, eh?
Just some speculation there...that it might get interesting.
It's a Lockbox. The whole point of those is to make money...
No Thanks, Ill Pass!
Nice to see the OP ships go Lockbox though as usual. Nevermind, back to playing in my 5K dps Connie, to be honest you dont need any ship other than a T1 to run all content.
(Event) Kobali Samsar Cruiser: LCdr Eng/Command
(Lobi) Vaadwaur Astika Heavy Battle Cruiser: Lt Eng/Command
The Cmdr X/Command ships haven't been released yet...will be interesting to see what those offer.
Join Date: Feb 2014 << that is your join date, not five years ago LOL if you want to beleive youve been here for more then that go ahead but the data disagrees with you
"It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."
Mark Twain
You TROLLED failed!!!!
http://i.imgur.com/kLgNP3R.png
if it makes u happy to say thats when you joined so be it, but the facts dissagree as i dont beleive you your lieing.... oh and watch who u call a troll, and sorry but if u had been here for five years it would say june 2012 lol.
you failed, u epicly failed
I suppose it's too much to hope for that we'll see refit versions of the Odyssey/Borastqu/Scimitar introduced with Cmdr X/Command slots.
shhh little troll..... just beleive what u want to beleive, it dont make it facts... data makes facts, not u saying this or saying that is not a fact its just lies.
and fyi it ends here now ok
try using Microsoft Word, might help with your spelling..just saying buddy...
"but the facts dissagree as i dont beleive you your lieing"
Are you saying you don’t believe I am lying? Do you even know wtf you are saying? Have you even read what you typed?
“sorry but if u had been here for five years it would say june 2012 lol.”
WHAT… Again read what you typed..
try going to a doctor to see about getting a better personality troll
I take it that it did not end here now, ok.
You ok, me ok, we all ok..
ok
Yes, it is expensive to get a Lobi ship. And getting a Lobi ship only for an item found on a Lobi ship may seem even crazier (like say a console to make a set, like on Voth ships for a better cloak).
Now they're playing this game with ship traits. They can release uninteresting new ships with phenoenal traits and a large number of people will still get them.
Also, if you're after a Lobi ship and nothing that's found in Lockboxes (other than the Lobi), just buy the ship off the exchange (same with any other tradeable lobi item).
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
what ever u say little player but it ends NOW, u cant prove me wrong so its OVER OK
As an old wise person would say...
Buckwheat: "Otay."
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a399/monkeybone3030/Buckwheat---Little-Rascals--C100369.jpg
Also, after talking to you, I just had to share this video..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MS2aEfbEi7s