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Will we see a Tier 6 Bird of Prey soon?
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Obviously, this is a dumb question, since no one here knows and the developers will only tell shortly before they actually release it. Anyway, for anyone that takes notes of such things, take this to mean that this is something I want.
I think a Tier 6 BOP is absolutely necessary. More than Science Vessels, Battle Cruisers and what the heck else you might come up with.
That good old Bird of Prey, with Battle Cloak, Universal Bridge Officer Slots, 4 Front and 2 Aft Weapon slots with the capability to use DHCs, and these days even with Raider Flanking. It is one of the ships that truely made the KDF ship line-up special (oh, and how it used to be feared in PvP, back in the old days, before the power creep, before Romulans and all that).
Battle Cruisers were nice, but we kinda got them now on all factions.
The BOP still offers unique gameplay options, and it is something that can attract people to the KDF in the first place, because it is special with its BO line-up.
On top of that - the good old B'Rel is one of the longest-standing KDF ships in canon, first seen in the movies and kept around till at least the final season of DS9 - it's very prominent, and it deserves an endgame successor. Especially since it already felt a bit fallen by the wayside before Tier 6 even came around...
So, what do you think? Do you look forward to a Tier 6 BOP?Or do you dread it? Do you expect it never to come?
I think a Tier 6 BOP is absolutely necessary. More than Science Vessels, Battle Cruisers and what the heck else you might come up with.
That good old Bird of Prey, with Battle Cloak, Universal Bridge Officer Slots, 4 Front and 2 Aft Weapon slots with the capability to use DHCs, and these days even with Raider Flanking. It is one of the ships that truely made the KDF ship line-up special (oh, and how it used to be feared in PvP, back in the old days, before the power creep, before Romulans and all that).
Battle Cruisers were nice, but we kinda got them now on all factions.
The BOP still offers unique gameplay options, and it is something that can attract people to the KDF in the first place, because it is special with its BO line-up.
On top of that - the good old B'Rel is one of the longest-standing KDF ships in canon, first seen in the movies and kept around till at least the final season of DS9 - it's very prominent, and it deserves an endgame successor. Especially since it already felt a bit fallen by the wayside before Tier 6 even came around...
So, what do you think? Do you look forward to a Tier 6 BOP?Or do you dread it? Do you expect it never to come?
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The Mat'ha fills in very capably in the standard raptor/escort role.
The Qib is for most parts the same as the Eclipse, and that means it's an extremely capable ship.
But the BOP is needed first, before even a Carrier or Science Vessel comes into play in KDF T6.
Besides, BoP are supposed to be cheap & low tech units. Leave the T6 to Raptors, carriers and BC
Who knows, if it could wear the Hegh'ta or Ning'tao skin, I might even buy one.
--Red Annorax
I don't know about that. General Martok used a B'Rel BOP as the flagship for all Klingon forces facing the Dominion in that war.
Not a Vor'Cha.
Not a Negh'Var, though someone of Martok's rank and position could have done so.
The simple B'Rel.
BTW, how many Enterprises were led to their destruction by a B'Rel? :cool:
#3 - Romulan science
#2 - KDF science
#1 - KDF BOP
Doesn't mean it was high tech. aside from that the BoP was probably gowron's attempt to get his biggest rival killed as soon as possible.
You just gave an excellent example just how old the BoP are and why a T6 version makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
In my opinion the boring line-up (too many BoP) is a large part why the KDF faction ingame is close to death. Add a bit more variety by adding nausican, orion or gorn ships.
I take it you don't understand admirals, generals "plant their flag" where ever they want?
The B'Rel is an old BOP, but the notion of a BOP doesn't make it old.
By your interesting frame of thought, because a Constitution-class is old and was classified as a Cruiser, no Cruisers should exist because they're old?
That was just Gowron setting up Martok to fail and get killed because he was becoming too popular and powerful within the Empire. Gowron made him command the worst ship and worst crew possible.
And when Gowron was gone, what kind of ship did Martok still command???
Edit: Let's make this better... When Gowron was killed by Worf, who then passed the Chancellorship to Martok, what kind of ship did Martok STILL Command?
Eh?
And again, how many Enterprises, the flagships of Starfleet, have met their end due to the actions of a B'Rel?
General, not admiral.
And a disgraced Klingon general (disgraced since he allowed himself to be captured) will take any command to avoid being forced into dishonourable retirement.
But your example of the T6 constitution is a fitting example. Both designs are far too old to be credible T6 vessels. And the constitution is a unique design while the BoP are virtually clones of each other.
The thing is that IF a T6 BoP would be introduced that would most likely mean no future orion, gorn or nausican ships. And the nausican, gorn and orion vessels offer a lot more variety than yet another BoP.
Facepalm.
Epic, epic Facepalm.
Also, the addition of a T6 BOP would hinder the addition of Non-Klingon vessels into the faction? LOL! Cryptic's ALREADY doing that!
BTW, has anyone seen that Fleet Guramba yet? No? Did the B'Rel hold that back, too? Same with the Fleet Marauder FDC?
Can't we have both?
By then his BoP became a "hero" ship due to Worf's help so he kept it. And there was an entire episode about his crappy BoP crew getting their mojo back.
Unless the Klingon faction suddenly explosively grows in size to rival the Federation and Romulans combined AND we have a time lapse to allow the development team to catch up on KDF designs having both is a dream.
As it is, introduction of one will most likely mean cancellation of the other. And in that case i choose the variety of the Gorn, Nausican and Orion.
Rhetorical. Don't spoil my dreams with your logic. :P
Non-Klingon designs that they have to work on?
Like the Guramba, Marauder, Phalanx, etc? Oh wait, those are already in the game and have yet to see their Fleet versions or even see T5, much less T6.
Also, you really think that in terms of being favored, a Gorn, Nausicaan, etc. ship would win out over a Bird of Prey if players had to choose 1 or the other? That would be interesting, but my gut feeling is a Bird of Prey would be favored by the KDF.
Honestly, I'd most likely favor a T6 BOP for my KDF sci alt over a "Varanus 2.0." Especially if it had Intelligence type abilities like what the Qib can use.
I have my doubts that anything purely science related would be all that great KDF side.
As-is, I keep almost upgrading my Varanus, then realizing how I would instantly regret it. So My KDF sci alt is basically just for ground stuff.
Really, the Bird of Prey is THE kdf ship, period.
1 technically...the Enterprise...the original was self destruct...and with that it wasn't in great shape in the first place and was being ran by a skeleton crew.
The D was indeed destroyed by one but that wasn't because of how good BoP's are but because they had the Enterprise's shield frequency and could penetrate their shields.
So if you consider one or both victories they both were pretty hollow and both times the BoP sorta had a unfair advantage.
To the OP...the odds are we wont see one...we've only ever seen one T5 c-store BoP and that was from a LONG time ago and Cryptic doesn't care about the KDF...unless the Feds get a T6 Raider the odds of the KDF seeing one are near zero.
Harsh truth. *haz a sad*
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You think they'd see it even in the general area? :P If they do they just ignore it pretty much.
The BoP is pretty simple, though really all BoP's should have interchangeable skins, no reason to lock them out. I liked the Hegh'ta myself but can only use it at one tier and isn't mix and match with anything else
Though I think the Vor'cha is more my style Klink ship, looks awesome and is powerful though if going on canon was underpowered compared to it's competitor's.
"You don't have to do something again and again and again repetitive that doesn't have much challange, that's just a general good gameplay thing."
Not even close.
But I wouldn't expect anything like that until the fourth or fifth Specialization down the road, and even then...I wouldn't expect it.
If Roms were to get a new T6s; it'd likely get a proper Sci ship, or a new massive heavy warbird cruiser to succeed the Derpderix (as the Faeht generally succeeds the T'Varo, and the Aelahl succeeds the medium/light cruiser warbirds).
As to the topic proper; I expect it's more likely KDF would get a Carrier (probably a Carrier with heavy-Sci orientation to be a technical Sci ship and hit both things KDF players were asking for with 1 ship) than a BoP; simply because they can make more money off them via the pets (in a roundabout way via Dil, and/or via tying them to some other ship). Maybe even include a "new" BoP in the form of new Frigate pets for the Carrier; forever to serve as a reminder of a new BoP being so close, yet so far.