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dark4blooddark4blood Member Posts: 1,192 Arc User
Fix something random like Bridge Officer training. I feel another pay-to-play element is going to follow this lovely change in Bridge Officer abilities--sigh.
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  • svindal777svindal777 Member Posts: 856 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Why would they fix stuff they don't think has any issues?
    Well excuse me for having enormous flaws that I don't work on.
  • ddesjardinsddesjardins Member Posts: 3,056 Media Corps
    edited January 2015
    We haz PvP?

    Stop Trolling.
  • g0delg0del Member Posts: 28 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    dark4blood wrote: »
    Fix something random like Bridge Officer training. I feel another pay-to-play element is going to follow this lovely change in Bridge Officer abilities--sigh.
    You need dil to craft the items which are needed to craft the other items which allow you to train boffs, so I'd say the pay-to-play element is already there. We just don't know exactly how expensive it's going to be yet.
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  • proteus2003proteus2003 Member Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    dark4blood wrote: »
    Fix something random like Bridge Officer training. I feel another pay-to-play element is going to follow this lovely change in Bridge Officer abilities--sigh.

    I look forward to it's implementation in any form. It'll send the forums into another apoplectic fit and I enjoy watching the rage.
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  • mvp333mvp333 Member Posts: 509 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Personally, I don't mind the change... It isn't like you're allowed to refine enough dil for anything meaningful anyway; if it costs me 250-700 Dilithium to change BOff skills, who cares? This is "good" monetization anyway - you don't really have to pay, and if you do you're just paying for a bit of extra convenience.
  • captainoblivouscaptainoblivous Member Posts: 2,284 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    If it ain't broke, don't cha....waaaaaait a minute....
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  • kristaswiftkristaswift Member Posts: 306 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Why complain about Cryptic?

    Watch out this thread might be closed, OP muted or banned...or worse the Cryptic cult worshipers will said..you are a minority and do not exist...ALL is rosy and cheeky here...nothing to see :D
  • hartzillahartzilla Member Posts: 1,177 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Meh, I'll wait to see if this thing launches in working condition or what the dilithium cost actually is before deciding if its horrible or good.
  • grouchyotakugrouchyotaku Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    svindal777 wrote: »
    Why would they fix stuff they don't think has any issues?

    Training for 'unique & bound' BOs was broken when the Liberated Borg BO was released in the first year of STO... Its about time they came up with a fix for this...
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    mvp333 wrote: »
    Personally, I don't mind the change... It isn't like you're allowed to refine enough dil for anything meaningful anyway; if it costs me 250-700 Dilithium to change BOff skills, who cares? This is "good" monetization anyway - you don't really have to pay, and if you do you're just paying for a bit of extra convenience.
    But wait, there's MORE!

    this new system will allow us to crosstrain bound boffs... A feature that has been needed for several years. I'd be happy to pay 2k dil if that meant I coulf give one of my Borg boffs EPtS3 or EptW3.
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  • organicmanfredorganicmanfred Member Posts: 3,236 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    But wait, there's MORE!

    this new system will allow us to crosstrain bound boffs... A feature that has been needed for several years. I'd be happy to pay 2k dil if that meant I coulf give one of my Borg boffs EPtS3 or EptW3.

    don't get greedy. you already sound like those "I must upgrade everything to Epic, the voice in MY head told me so" guys.
  • grouchyotakugrouchyotaku Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    And this will also correct the issues with the training of Romulan BOs under a Romulan Captain...
  • farmallmfarmallm Member Posts: 4,630 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    To me this is looking good. As now my BOFFs get better skills to use and I can use them better. Where before I have to rotate them in/out to make use of the ship or mission. And some rarely get used due so. So this will make my crew more enjoyable and useable.

    This has been needed a long time. I don't mind buying some Dil for it. Plus your BOFF will gain that skill permanently so its not like your constantly changing it, and paying for it. The crafting of manuals will be easy and fast. I'm already crafting so it will just add to what I'm already doing. Which crafting only costs me mats. Since I just like it count down. That is until I upgrade or have to craft something.

    The grinding isn't much an issue. They wanted us to go slower and don't blow through their content in a matter of hours. Then come on the forums crying about it. This was stated during the DR news before release. Even now I'm got a good ways into the DR, still not Lv60, but I'm not burned out yet. DOFFs really help during the week as I have time to log on for the Rep turn in and DOFF anyways. Weekend comes I hit a few patrols and I'm good.
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  • svindal777svindal777 Member Posts: 856 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Training for 'unique & bound' BOs was broken when the Liberated Borg BO was released in the first year of STO... Its about time they came up with a fix for this...

    I was actually referring to the stuff mentioned in the title.
    Well excuse me for having enormous flaws that I don't work on.
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  • knuhteb5knuhteb5 Member Posts: 1,831 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    But wait, there's MORE!

    this new system will allow us to crosstrain bound boffs... A feature that has been needed for several years. I'd be happy to pay 2k dil if that meant I coulf give one of my Borg boffs EPtS3 or EptW3.

    Why did it have to be tied to dlithium and not ec?
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  • dpsloss88dpsloss88 Member Posts: 765 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    You are calling a new greedy dilithium suck a fix? They need to change the name of STO to Money Vampires Online (MVO)...
  • grouchyotakugrouchyotaku Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    dpsloss88 wrote: »
    You are calling a new greedy dilithium suck a fix? They need to change the name of STO to Money Vampires Online (MVO)...

    And I bet you didn't pay a cent to play the DR expansion... What do you think is paying for the costs of F2P ???

    Not to mention the Dilithium can be earned with in-game resources... Its not as if their forcing you to purchase Zen...
  • mvp333mvp333 Member Posts: 509 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Its not as if their forcing you to purchase Zen...

    Incredibly low refining cap says otherwise. Truth is, I really like this new system, but that doesn't change the fact that a Dilithium sink is just another 'quiet' way to beg people to buy more Zen.
  • iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    mvp333 wrote: »
    Incredibly low refining cap says otherwise. Truth is, I really like this new system, but that doesn't change the fact that a Dilithium sink is just another 'quiet' way to beg people to buy more Zen.

    The dilithium sink is the only reason bridge officer abilities become valuable. Without the dilithium, all they would require is uncommon crafting mats which are already dirt cheap. It'd be the same as just increasing the EC cost.

    Without dilithium, these training books you craft would ultimately not even be worth the time to craft, since literally any player could flood the exchange with 40 copies of whatever power they wanted and drive down the price to the point they would barely be able to break even on the EC required to craft them to begin with.

    And if that's the case, there's no real point in doing the revamp if every boff ability becomes worthless via oversaturation of the product.
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  • grouchyotakugrouchyotaku Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    mvp333 wrote: »
    Incredibly low refining cap says otherwise. Truth is, I really like this new system, but that doesn't change the fact that a Dilithium sink is just another 'quiet' way to beg people to buy more Zen.

    Or buy more Character slots, since the 'low refining cap' is character based and not account based...
  • praxi5praxi5 Member Posts: 1,562 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Or buy more Character slots, since the 'low refining cap' is character based and not account based...

    So you're saying we should buy something to get around having to buy something else. Makes sense.

    And it's not like STO is very alt friendly post-DR.
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  • dpsloss88dpsloss88 Member Posts: 765 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    And I bet you didn't pay a cent to play the DR expansion... What do you think is paying for the costs of F2P ???

    Not to mention the Dilithium can be earned with in-game resources... Its not as if their forcing you to purchase Zen...

    You must be a fracking genius (Sarcasm which I have to spell out because you are probably too stupid to detect it). Look at my Avatar. I am a Lifetime Subscriber ("Career Officer" is only for LTS in case you are also too stupid to figure that out).
  • lored2deathlored2death Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    And I bet you didn't pay a cent to play the DR expansion... What do you think is paying for the costs of F2P ???

    Not to mention the Dilithium can be earned with in-game resources... Its not as if their forcing you to purchase Zen...

    Heh. Hehe. Hehehehe. Bwahahahaha!!!

    Dilithium can *barely* be earned in-game at this point and every change they've made since DR is *designed* to force the players to buy Zen if they want to "keep up" in any meaningful way. I don't understand how you can claim they arent trying to force players as they monetize every single aspect of the game.
  • drliriodrlirio Member Posts: 66 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    I'll just copy paste from another thread to save time:

    I just want to point out a few things to all those Cryptic White Knights Defenders. You know who you are... i don't want to point to anyone.

    Was it too difficult to add the new stuff to the old system? You know, without dilithium costs, materials, time gates (craft?)... that the new system brings? Let's say... i go to the boff trainer and buy the skill, not a manual... why the added process? Just to add dilithium costs and timegates (again, crafting)?

    The old system wasn't perfect, of course. But if the main problem most people had was finding the right officer with the right skill on Exchange... wouldn't it be better to just improve the Exchange search function?

    When Cryptic starts putting OP boff skills into lockboxes... are you going to play the lottery or will you buy the skills at 100M+ EC from Exchange?

    As of now i have 10 toons and i can train most of the top tier skills for free just switching toons... and i do it for others for free. In case i can't... well, i can ask in one of the public services channels and usually someone will do it for me pretty fast... and for free. The only "problem" with this system is finding the desired skill on Exchange if it's one of the non-trainable skills and that is easily corrected with an improved search on Exchange, no need to go through all this revamp.

    Why can't Cryptic just add the new skills & specializations to the old system and improve the Exchange Search???

    With the actual state of the game, with so many people quiting the game and all the rage we see since DR launch, with deserted fleets and dead queues, with all the bugs and lag and server stability issues, do you think it is reasonable to add another dilithium, r&d resources and time sink and expect the people to take it with a smile?

    Unfortunately, some of us have a long time experience with STO & Cryptic, probably more than the White Knights. And Cryptic's past record give us all the reasons needed and then some more to complain about this revamp even if it has not been implemented yet.

    GREED, that's what all this is about. Cryptic wants more money, there is no reason and no way to justify adding dilithium cost to boff training. The only reason is greed... and the opportunity for cryptic to add OP skills to lockboxes. If you don't want to see it... well, i can't help you and i don't want to, i believe it is clear enough.

    If they add all the new skills & specializations to the old system and improve the Exchange Search (it's about time i'd say), i'd be really happy and this thread would be completely different. But they are not doing that exactly, are they?

    So what's so great about the new system over my proposal of adding to the old one and improving the Exchange Search??? I've been several hours waiting for someone to answer this...

    At this rate I would not be surprised at all if in a few months we'll have to pay dilithium everytime we hit ENTER on chat, and i can already see Cryptic's reasoning behind it: "To reduce server traffic and improve game stability".

    But, of course, Delta Rising is the best expansion ever and the players love it. Right, that must be "what i'm missing".

    In a few words: This new system is insulting. Or better said... the way they pretend to implement the changes is.

    I wish people would stop opening threads about the same thing... i'm getting tired of copy-paste!
  • grouchyotakugrouchyotaku Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    dpsloss88 wrote: »
    You must be a fracking genius (Sarcasm which I have to spell out because you are probably too stupid to detect it). Look at my Avatar. I am a Lifetime Subscriber ("Career Officer" is only for LTS in case you are also too stupid to figure that out).
    Heh. Hehe. Hehehehe. Bwahahahaha!!!

    Dilithium can *barely* be earned in-game at this point and every change they've made since DR is *designed* to force the players to buy Zen if they want to "keep up" in any meaningful way. I don't understand how you can claim they arent trying to force players as they monetize every single aspect of the game.

    And did you even bother to look at my Avatar... As a Lifer, you should have known that the Lifetime Sub does not include access to all Expansion material, (e.g. LoR & DR Packs...) Many other MMRPG charge for access to major expansions, but not STO. And I've been with STO since the last 2 weeks of the Beta Release, so I should know....

    If you have enough KDF Alts to grind for Contraband, and enough Alts (each with their own 8K Daily Dilithiuim ore refinement limit...) to process it into Dilithium, you can easily get enough for your needs... Plus there are locations such as the Voth Battlezone, which simply throw Dilithium ore at your character... People who claim that they can't get enough Dilithium with in-game resources, sounds like their simply not trying hard enough...
  • lucho80lucho80 Member Posts: 6,600 Bug Hunter
    edited January 2015
    dark4blood wrote: »
    Fix something random like Bridge Officer training. I feel another pay-to-play element is going to follow this lovely change in Bridge Officer abilities--sigh.

    Yup, and it involves grinding yet again. I don't think the devs get that players are annoyed with the endless grind.
  • nightkennightken Member Posts: 2,824 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    *cough* 30 minutes per character no voth ground*cough*

    if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
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