I don't know how many times this has been brought up, or if there was ever a reasonable explanation given to the community, but why are most costumes limited to a terrible non-canon palette? Some in-game uniforms put on on display by the devs themselves obviously have access to colours players are arbitrarily locked out from. Recently, the Wrath of Khan uniforms were notably saved from this nonsense by unlocking the larger palette for them.
Examples of some significant Fed costumes seriously marred by inability to use canon colours due to the seemingly arbitrary limited palette:
1. The Motion Picture dress uniform that has access only to bold colours and no pastel blues and oranges as in the film. These may not be anyone's favorite uniforms, but this problem is certainly a sales issue for PW and Cryptic because it is a jarring inconsistency verging on false advertising for players, as all uses of this costume in-game (including the C-Store screenshot!) show a much lighter and more accurate grey-blue than can be achieved with the current palette.
2. The Original Series uniforms cannot even achieve the accurate avocado colour for Command Division, whereas the WoK uniform now can (albeit unnecessarily) because of the larger palette available exclusively to it.
I need not go on. The players are aware of this problem, and it certainly would limit sales for no reason, as Star Trek fans in particular love accuracy and pay probably too much attention to detail. And this seems like such a trivial adjustment to the game, so why limit the colour palette for any costume at all?
If any forum user agrees with me, please turn this thread into a sort of petition. The quality of the game aesthetics could be vastly improved by what anyone would regard as a simple alteration. If, however, it is not a trivial fix, could this information be shared with the community so that we know why we must live with such an annoying and canon-obliterating character customization limitation? Thank you.
Its even worse klingon side. Every color is just some variation of mud. Muddy gray, rusty mud, watery mud, yellowish mud, and muddy white. You can get a true red on some parts of some pieces, and a true black on a few but even then 90% of the time its just dark gray not black.
Also, every single instance of color linking needs to be permanently abolished or the interface for controlling linked colors from champions needs to be added. It is extremely frustrating to get a pair of pants colored just right, then add the shirt and the pants are suddenly copying the new choices. This is most common with the armor/kit gear, but it hits boots eye brows, etc.
I agree that the color palette needs to be opened up for most, if not all, costumes. (Although, I'm not keen on seeing Klingons running around in neon pink uniforms.) It is frustrating that some colors just aren't available on all costumes or all factions.
Also, yes, the color linking issue needs to be addressed as well.
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I totally understand the need for some design structure to achieve community diversity and faction recognition, but that shouldn't override canon colours, and really colour customization won't make faction costume recognition difficult in STO, since the faction-specific uniform and off duty cuts are severally unique to begin with.
I also agree about the secondary issue of mysterious colour-linking that isn't really necessary at all, which suggests it isnot a trivial fix to abolish it. However, the 'click randomize a few times' workaround is still working fine.
Anyhow, I hope more people fill this thread so we can do our part to make STO more colourful asap.
I support this, although I don't see it being any kind of "priority" and as such most likely will never be changed. I mean it's this way *since launch*.
But I am tired of not being able to even closely colour my klingons to something that looks like canon (part of it is that we never got a single canon klingon uniform as well) and I can't even freely choose my house colours as it's only grey, brown, red-ish or blue-ish. The colour linking is nothing but a bug to me and the mismatching of "old" colours (pre f2p costumes) and "new" colours is really annoying.
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Plus one to all of the above. My fellow fleet players are much more frustrated with this - several of them also paint and have that whole eye for color thing.
For my own part - I would simply appreciate the ability to lay in consistent colors for a crew regardless of the male or female character or BOFF racial back ground. In the company where I work, w all wear consistent uniforms, although many are native american, or african american, or european american, or mexican american in ethnic origin. Sure we all appreciate the neon lime green and powder blue combo... in our own ways.
Why can't KDF have anything green, except skin color? I'd love to see more variety in the colors. Also, it's extremely irritating to have a bright red on the winter jackets, but only a burgundy to match it with, in everything else.
Why can't KDF have anything green, except skin color? I'd love to see more variety in the colors. Also, it's extremely irritating to have a bright red on the winter jackets, but only a burgundy to match it with, in everything else.
Yes, that severely limits the usefullness of the bright-colored coats. And of course a lot of clothes would look really good with brighter colors, but no can do. Even the clothes that are lucky enough to have the "large" color palette are still missing all fully saturated colors.
The palettes are useful when trying to replicate a canon(ish) look on an outfit, but there really should be RGB sliders for fully custom color, too.
I really hope an art dev can tell the community why these limitations are in place, or ideally if ever they plan to at last liberate our imaginations in this regard.
It may not be a major priority issue at the moment, but considering that canon colours are not yet achieveable for many key iconic costumes, and the problem does not seem difficult to rectify, who at PW & Cryptic would not rightly predict and value a relatively easy increase in overall profit by reincentivizing costume purchases?
I'm already sick of it that most my klingons have to look like they rolled around in a targ pit for hours thanks to the abysmal color choice on klingon stuff.
The account wide intel uniform is the best cloth you can get for your KDF members since that and the dyson costume from the spire are the only ones with a palette.
I really hope an art dev can tell the community why these limitations are in place, or ideally if ever they plan to at last liberate our imaginations in this regard.
It may not be a major priority issue at the moment, but considering that canon colours are not yet achieveable for many key iconic costumes, and the problem does not seem difficult to rectify, who at PW & Cryptic would not rightly predict and value a relatively easy increase in overall profit by reincentivizing costume purchases?
Because Cryptic.
Yeah, it doesn't make any sense, but that's the answer we're given.
Yes, they need to unlock all colors for all costumes.
Yes please, for unlocking the same, full and proper wheel for all costumes. It's annoying being unable to match colors on the same outfit, or being limited to a few small (often unwanted) choices on some pieces. It would also be nice if they could unlock more pieces to work with other sets. I get that it's a costume, and built as such, but why bother making it in pieces if I can't mix and match.
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Just imagine how blissful it would be to have canon pastel colors on your lovely underused TMP uniforms. Can you appreciate the magnitude of awesomeness awaiting those who at long last are allowed the dignity of donning the majestic canon command avacados of TOS! Must we beseech you to simply wear the propa berry red under our grey shouldered Deep Space First Contacters? For frell's sake, dev-iant-s, give me colors or give me permaban! (Oh, please Q, don't ban me! I exaggerate for political reasons!)
No one can deny how great this would be. Great for us, great for you, great for the MMO world. So why not just push the button and make it so? 'Tis redshirt easy and perfectly safe.
I don't know how many times this has been brought up, or if there was ever a reasonable explanation given to the community, but why are most costumes limited to a terrible non-canon palette? Some in-game uniforms put on on display by the devs themselves obviously have access to colours players are arbitrarily locked out from. Recently, the Wrath of Khan uniforms were notably saved from this nonsense by unlocking the larger palette for them.
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Its even worse klingon side. Every color is just some variation of mud. Muddy gray, rusty mud, watery mud, yellowish mud, and muddy white. You can get a true red on some parts of some pieces, and a true black on a few but even then 90% of the time its just dark gray not black.
Also, every single instance of color linking needs to be permanently abolished or the interface for controlling linked colors from champions needs to be added. It is extremely frustrating to get a pair of pants colored just right, then add the shirt and the pants are suddenly copying the new choices. This is most common with the armor/kit gear, but it hits boots eye brows, etc.
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Also, yes, the color linking issue needs to be addressed as well.
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Goes off to make something pink for a Klingon toon.
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I also agree about the secondary issue of mysterious colour-linking that isn't really necessary at all, which suggests it is not a trivial fix to abolish it. However, the 'click randomize a few times' workaround is still working fine.
Anyhow, I hope more people fill this thread so we can do our part to make STO more colourful asap.
But I am tired of not being able to even closely colour my klingons to something that looks like canon (part of it is that we never got a single canon klingon uniform as well) and I can't even freely choose my house colours as it's only grey, brown, red-ish or blue-ish. The colour linking is nothing but a bug to me and the mismatching of "old" colours (pre f2p costumes) and "new" colours is really annoying.
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Neon pink, sure. But lavender is canon! (TAS)
For my own part - I would simply appreciate the ability to lay in consistent colors for a crew regardless of the male or female character or BOFF racial back ground. In the company where I work, w all wear consistent uniforms, although many are native american, or african american, or european american, or mexican american in ethnic origin. Sure we all appreciate the neon lime green and powder blue combo... in our own ways.
The palettes are useful when trying to replicate a canon(ish) look on an outfit, but there really should be RGB sliders for fully custom color, too.
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Like the red or green winter coats, how do I match the trousers with the coat colors?
It may not be a major priority issue at the moment, but considering that canon colours are not yet achieveable for many key iconic costumes, and the problem does not seem difficult to rectify, who at PW & Cryptic would not rightly predict and value a relatively easy increase in overall profit by reincentivizing costume purchases?
I'm already sick of it that most my klingons have to look like they rolled around in a targ pit for hours thanks to the abysmal color choice on klingon stuff.
The account wide intel uniform is the best cloth you can get for your KDF members since that and the dyson costume from the spire are the only ones with a palette.
Because Cryptic.
Yeah, it doesn't make any sense, but that's the answer we're given.
Yes, they need to unlock all colors for all costumes.
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No one can deny how great this would be. Great for us, great for you, great for the MMO world. So why not just push the button and make it so? 'Tis redshirt easy and perfectly safe.
100% agree!
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All colors should be available on all costumes
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