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lystent
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If you want more people to PvP, you have got to stop intimidating them with the huge P2W barrier. A 'game' that determines the winner by player by whoever can afford to dish out the most dough is not going to be fun for the poorer masses. Before you tell the poorer masses to form a line behind you and kiss your sitter, let me not that the poorer masses may not be able to spend 150$, but they might be able to spend 15$, and, there are way more poor people than there are rich people. This isn't 2409, there is still poverty!
Close this thread for being inconvenient again if you want, but sticking your head into a hole in the ground will not save your game from implosion!
Close this thread for being inconvenient again if you want, but sticking your head into a hole in the ground will not save your game from implosion!
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Its all in the pilot skills, timing, buff reading , and how well you understand your ships.
I've helped many people in my time playing sto, and have also been helped by many people.
I use simple keybinds, no macros, and i click all of my abilities.
now ground pvp, thats different. im not good at it lol
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@Minitrckin08
THAT GUY!!!!
We all miss you bro
*Takes a moment of silence*
I'm speechless...
Funny thing is this guy joined the game right as bug ships became more available. Move along nothing to see here nobody special. Now if Aythani comes around theres a "true" skilled escort pilot. At least you are honest Yoda about sucking at ground pvp most space guys couldn't hack it in ground pvp trust me :P
Trek is all about the Space PvP.
Typical "spacebar" heroes retort cause they can't do ground pvp. Yet so much of this games content is ground HMMM!
If most Space PvPers gave a **** about that part of the game, they would play it and learn it.
There's no reason why not. A lot of PvPers in this game are vets of other Ground PvP games.
It's Trek that keeps people clustered in Space PvP more.
I agree.The curent disables give you all the time in the world to time your powers
Also sitting there disabled takes alot of skill.WHen you get hit with that ionic turbulence thing is not the broken power that screws up with your ship...its your skill.
you can add all binds on ground on your spacebar plus why would you want to play a generic ground mmo with dinosaurs when you have spaceships?
but you are not good at any of them so whats with the TRIBBLE!n?
I respectfully disagree with your assertion. There's no P2w barrier. I haven't spent money on STO yet, and I think I'm OK at PVP. My gear is totally sweet, too.
And I also have taught this lesson to others who thought like I did. Had a fleet defiant challenge me to a 1v1, and it didn't take him long to realize the same thing. If you really think about it, players who have to or choose to work with what they're given, rather than pay for better stuff, will often be better because they have to make it work.
How long did it take for you to obtain your gear?
PvP appears nowadays to mostly be made of veterans with top-notch gear. And then we have whatever is OP being exploited. Back then it was escorts, then it was aux-to-bat BFAW, now I hear that it is the intel powers from purposely OP t6 ships. They gave themselves no choice but to make T6 more powerful than T5-U, and T5-U/T6 more powerful than T5.
And then we slap on the mk XIV gold gear that peeps who could afford it are slapping on to get the edge in PvP. Now given that these peeps been PvP'ing far more than say the PvE population who do not PvP, well, let me sum it up:
T6 mk xiv gold veteran PvP'er VS T5 mk xii purple veteran PvE'er.
That is one heck of an intimidating learning curve to worry about.
About as long as it takes anyone else to obtain their gear, roughly estimating.
There are two ways to get the gear:
1-Pay real money for dillithium
2-Spend going on a month addicted, or longer casually playing, STO
#2 is designed to be way less practical than #1, that is why you have a 8k dill a day cap.
#2 is why the Klingon Dilithium Force is still a part of the game.
Ayatani just used what ever the current bug was to build a BS ship.
Now Talon Jones there was someone very talented at afterburner control.
Its not the P2W that drives new players away from PvP in STO.
It is the grind to win.
You can't really PvP (in reality or in perception) until you;
1) Have 4 good rep skills to slot... which means likely at least one rep to T4
2) At least 3-4 good quality Lockbox traits to slot.
3) A full set of MK 14 weapons
4) A full set of Spire dmg consoles and or a full set of Embassy Science... with a few Mine consoles.
5) If your flying sci Level 15 Crafting trait.
6) If your flying sci... 2 crafted Special 1 of consoles.
7) Level 60... have fun with that.
8) The majority if not all of your Spec points to fill both intel and right now pilot. Later Perhaps the pilot replacement. (Cause you know new ones will never really be an honest choice they will be >>> to entice you to grind)
I bet I'm forgetting a bunch more stuff as well.
exactly. and they think the pursuit of character completion is the fun part, like that in and of it self is what keeps a player interested in the game, the grind itself. this isn't some greek epic or voyager, were its the journey not the destination that maters. after a patch its the haves and have nots and only 1 of the 2 gets to have fun. not a single person is enjoying themselves when they power grind specialization, think about that. what kind of people would even create such an obstacle to throw in the path of their supposed valued customers.
What kinda of people...
Greedy ones.
Who have an odd idea of what it takes to get people to throw there "fun" game money at them.
Mine is now going to CCP.
Right now my time is going to PSO... an old pay to own-a-copy MORPG. Yes, I am grinding out some leveling, but i am not sitting there holding down "d", or "a", waiting for 8 BAs to get the slow job done. Instead, right now, I am actively fighting a robot swarm... that marches over to try to punch me... and shoots me as I run away... and that I shoot back for shooting me... then I shoot more because that is what my toon does. That game has serious power creep though. I mean you keep leveling up with no cap in sight, and you level your mag (which buffs your stats) up to level 200, and you pick up rare items that permanently increase your stats, and you find rare items that you use to upgrade your favorite weapon up a level or few. But hey, one heckuva single player real time RPG.
Bingo, muffin. When people say "P2W" in reference to STO it's always been a bit of a misleading or emotional term that encompasses a lot more than just bought power, something that in and of itself is an important but overall small part of a bigger issue. Often it just means poor balance. (STO simply isn't an esport, as much as I desperately wish it was a competitive game Cryptic has to meet us halfway and they don't seem to be aware of what a treasure they're throwing away).
It is easier for long timers to fail to properly appreciate the length of time and investment (and the burden of knowledge) required for a player to go from a fresh 50 to PvP competitive today. It is a grave mistake I have seen many make here in their attempts to "save" or handwave the recent actions Cryptic have taken. In all frankness it is simply too much, STO has finally become a true MMO, and while veterans can weather the storm to a degree no game can sustain itself on a dwindling population of diehards without fresh blood. Unfortunately it's been gated out.
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we've broken all our bonds, but life kept going on, what a time, what a time it was..." - Clem Tholet
Son I was ripping the ****ing **** out of you and other folks I always had most dmg but the biggest thing was best kill to death ratio. Everyone claims I ran so much well how the **** did I get top numbers all around if I was never in the fight? nobody to this day has ever been able to answer that :P
And since he was the only escort pilot to actually beat me 1 on 1 back in the day well hmmmmm I wonder what that means.