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wanghunglo42
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Okay so the only way to get the new Elachi Dreadnought is to purchase zen to get R&D Packs from the C-store. But the odds of getting one are so low, you could spend 100 REAL dollars on zen and still not get it!
Not only that, 100 real dollars (used to exclusively open R&D Packs) won't even get you nearly enough Lobi to buy one of the older ships!
We go thru this exercise EVERY time a new hot ship comes out. I don't know who works accounting at Arc/Cryptic, but obviously they don't consider what else we could be doing with $100 in our lives! With that amount we could buy an entire video game twice! Not just one ship within a video game (maybe...IF you get it)!
What say you all?
Not only that, 100 real dollars (used to exclusively open R&D Packs) won't even get you nearly enough Lobi to buy one of the older ships!
We go thru this exercise EVERY time a new hot ship comes out. I don't know who works accounting at Arc/Cryptic, but obviously they don't consider what else we could be doing with $100 in our lives! With that amount we could buy an entire video game twice! Not just one ship within a video game (maybe...IF you get it)!
What say you all?
"As with all living things, each according to his gifts."
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The pricing in the c-store is ridiculous to begin with, ever since they put the first ship in there. The gamble stuff made it worse. It's now even part of crafting and upgrading.
In short, shut up and open your wallet ! :P
That being said, I refuse to play the Random Number Game. The reason these lock box ship promotions keep coming up is because people keep buying them. There are people that will spend as much as it takes to get the ship and that's why you keep seeing this.
As long as people buy, they will sell.. why wouldn't they?
Personally, I'm hoping for the day that they start to consider things like this Gambling and pass regulation to make it illegal. I doubt it will happen, but I would be happy if it did. Paying money for a small chance to get the ship isn't cool with me. If you want to sell the ship, put a price on it and put it in the C-Store.
I have been and continue to be firmly against the idea of lock box ships.
Forget the random chance of lockboxes, getting my Caitian Atrox was something like £25 in terms of Zen. On the face of it, this sounds very bad. Realistically, however, it's a Free To Play game and I can potentially tool around in that Atrox forever. If I play around with that Atrox for a couple dozen hours, I'm one up on a AAA game that'll have a far shorter playtime.
then you need a mod another $5 for the fleet version...
write your Congressmen and maybe they will do something about this gambling with virtual currency that you buy with real money... and then you will see the ships on the zen store where you can buy it out right.
Gambling can be highly addictive. Just one more and it'll be it! Right?
I've seen well over a few hundreds of those ships issued yesterday while I played, and I'm sure many more while I did not. Average price for it is probably somewhere around 100$ I would guess. Obviously most of those who got a ship will tell you they got it after their 2nd box, but it's highly unlikely.
It's like they made some kind of evil deal where they have to avoid fair trade practices at all costs.
I strongly suspect that Cryptic has enough data to make comparisions and figure out what they make from it - and yes, they will of course not appeal to everyone with their lockbox sales, but the ones they will get are likely to spend much more. (Especially if you compare the average cost).
I think they know what they are doing here. Which isn't to mean I like it.
If there is ever some more serious "MMO regulation" in the talks, I think some strict rules would need to apply to lockbox mechanics. If they aren't forbidden outright. Maybe I should be careful what I wish for, because it could also kill off many F2P games that rely on RNG/lockbox mechanics to make their income. In a way, the increased cost for getting some specific lockbox item is a way to get much more than regular sub money from a small selection of players, in exchange for other players paying a lot less than that, if anything at all - but which ultimately means that the game is profitable despite a smaller audience (while at the same also having a larger audience than a game with a subscription barrier).
I say that you're yet another whiner who doesn't understand how probabilities work. You're no more entitled to randomly get a ship out of a lockbox than anyone else.
Seriously, this thread happens literally every single damn time a new lockbox comes out. "Waaahhh! I spent lotsa money on this lockboxes and didn't get anything!" Go take a math class and get out of our hair.
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I agree they probably make more money by using gambling.
I guess what I would like is for someone to hold down whoever is responsible for this turn of events and install a "Moral Compass" in them.
Kind of like the "Christmas Carol" story, but please more brutal.
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My advice to fleetmates is always: get the stuff from the exchange - it is much cheaper over there!
But that doesn't mean a maxed out Char (Ship/Equip/Traits/Doffs/Boffs) is a cheap deal. If you're going for the current max in all means, I guess you'll spend about:
Ship: 100 - 500 mio EC
Traits: 200 mio EC
Doffs: 100 - 300 mio EC
Boffs: 150 mio EC (Fed Nausicaans)
Equip (including upgrades): 1,000,000,000 - 2,000,000,000 EC (depends on how lucky you are improving to Epic quality and getting the correct mods)
Well, and that's only 1 Setup for 1 Character...
Only as much as I allow it to. The Promotional items are extras. Not entitlements. Not gambling.
No one is required to have the new ship to keep playing STO. And if someone pays money for an R&D Box, guess what?
They will have the exact same opportunity for acquiring the new ship as everyone else who also purchased an R&D Box.
And as long as pwe/cryptic makes money off these Promotions, the game servers are paid for, the Devs are paid for, the forums are paid for, and so on.
pwe/cryptic is in the entertainment business, first and foremost. They must make a profit or else this game stops being available. Why is this concept so difficult to understand? Because a lot of people simply refuse to accept the truth. "It's the InterWebs, so everything is free! Yay!" :rolleyes:
Indeed, I don't miss having people in the queues at all. I'm so glad that I don't have to run those pesky things to grind marks and materials anymore.
I'm also thrilled that sales on the exchange have tanked and my fleet chat and friends list are perennially empty now.
An emptier game is more fun for everyone.
I don't miss anyone at all.
/sarcasm
same toilet and contents, different day. you should flush that toilet.
as much as it maybe a trolling point its also accurate, your transferring the same problem from your last thread onto this one. you either spend money on it or you dont, simple.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
I'm guessin yer a fed. They always cry when anyone else actually gets a ship that isnt easy to obtain. On another note, cryptic has to pay money to run the server. No one is forcing you to buy anything. It is a choice to buy these promo packs. If ya can't afoard it oh well.
P.S. I got the Dread on my 15th R&D pack.