Okay, maybe Frakes directing - but do NOT involve Riker. Especially with Frakes in the shape he is now. Starfleet has standards, man!
Actually, if we were going to use any of the Trek actors as directors, I think I'd go with either Levar Burton (who did pretty well with a couple of TNG episodes) or Leonard Nimoy (who directed III and IV, as well as a fair number of non-Trek movies).
Burton was actually supposed to direct Nemesis but Paramount apparently thought it would be fun to give the job to a post-editor who had never directed a film before. Frakes would definitely be a good choice, too (but damn, did he get old).
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Burton was actually supposed to direct Nemesis but Paramount apparently thought it would be fun to give the job to a post-editor who had never directed a film before. Frakes would definitely be a good choice, too (but damn, did he get old).
The choice of director was the least of the problems Nemesis had.
The choice of director was the least of the problems Nemesis had.
True, but a director who understood emotional moments, both subtle and profound, wouldn't have hurt.
I could see Frakes directing. He handled First Contact well, and it would be an olive branch to Prime Universe lovers. When we get to an alt-universe old Riker, just run Frakes through an old guys' version of the "300" workout.
True, but a director who understood emotional moments, both subtle and profound, wouldn't have hurt.
I could see Frakes directing. He handled First Contact well, and it would be an olive branch to Prime Universe lovers. When we get to an alt-universe old Riker, just run Frakes through an old guys' version of the "300" workout.
Or, they could maybe just have Frakes' cameo be Will Riker's great-grandfather or some such.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Frakes would be a great choice. First Contact is damn good, and if you watch Insurrection instead of instantly hating it, his direction there is also good. That goes absolutely double for Thunderbirds; in that case and Insurrection, there's only so much a director can do with the s**t he's been shovelled. Nonetheless, note that the actual direction is good.
Remember that the reason we consider Voyager to have destroyed the Borg is because Frakes made them work so damn well in First Contact. The last time we saw the Borg until then was Descent Pt II in TNG, which was a disconnected group. Previous to that, the last appearance of the Borg 'proper' was I, Borg.
Frakes pretty much made the Borg into what we think they are and should be, via his direction.
Frakes would be a great choice. First Contact is damn good, and if you watch Insurrection instead of instantly hating it, his direction there is also good. That goes absolutely double for Thunderbirds; in that case and Insurrection, there's only so much a director can do with the s**t he's been shovelled. Nonetheless, note that the actual direction is good.
Remember that the reason we consider Voyager to have destroyed the Borg is because Frakes made them work so damn well in First Contact. The last time we saw the Borg until then was Descent Pt II in TNG, which was a disconnected group. Previous to that, the last appearance of the Borg 'proper' was I, Borg.
Frakes pretty much made the Borg into what we think they are and should be, via his direction.
All of the Star Trek films are bad. I like them, sure. But never for a moment do I ever consider them great pieces of cinema. Even Wrath of Khan and First Contact are bad. But when all of the films are bad, it comes down to which films are worse than others.
Frakes is not a great director. Does he have better experience than Bob Orci? Of course. Could he do a better job at Star Trek 3? I'm going to say maybe.
The third movie is going to be bad no matter who is at the helm. And as established, if the script is horrible, if the story is horrible... the difference between Frakes and Orci in the director's seat is probably not going to be all that noticable.
All of the Star Trek films are bad. I like them, sure. But never for a moment do I ever consider them great pieces of cinema. Even Wrath of Khan and First Contact are bad. But when all of the films are bad, it comes down to which films are worse than others.
All of the Star Trek films are bad. I like them, sure. But never for a moment do I ever consider them great pieces of cinema. Even Wrath of Khan and First Contact are bad. But when all of the films are bad, it comes down to which films are worse than others.
Technically, the entire franchise is terrible. But that's one of the charms of it, isn't it? It's bad science fiction you can't help but love.
Hell, every aspect of Star Trek is terrible. Bad shows, bad writers, bad acting, bad movies, bad games. Hell, even the community fanfictions are bad.
We have a nerd, a six foot tall TRIBBLE robot, a captain who spends most of her stories drinking, a Ferengi captain that acts like a human and all of our LC submissions, we've ripped off from episodes of Battlestar.
Yay, mediocre fandom!
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let @jonathansfrakes take the helm again, and Star Trek out of darkness.
No more epic words were ever spoken.
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You cited almost the only truly serious critical successes, professional and audience, as being failures.
Not once did I ever say they were failures. I just said they were bad cinema. From a storytelling perspective, Wrath of Khan and First Contact have so many plot holes you could sift through sand with them.
There is a difference between bad cinema, and a cinematic failure. And this is why.
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Burton was actually supposed to direct Nemesis but Paramount apparently thought it would be fun to give the job to a post-editor who had never directed a film before. Frakes would definitely be a good choice, too (but damn, did he get old).
— Sabaton, "Great War"
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The choice of director was the least of the problems Nemesis had.
I agree with Iconians on this.
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True, but a director who understood emotional moments, both subtle and profound, wouldn't have hurt.
I could see Frakes directing. He handled First Contact well, and it would be an olive branch to Prime Universe lovers. When we get to an alt-universe old Riker, just run Frakes through an old guys' version of the "300" workout.
Or, they could maybe just have Frakes' cameo be Will Riker's great-grandfather or some such.
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Check out https://unitedfederationofpla.net/s/
If Dorne can be Pappy Worf, Frakes can be James Riker.
-Leonard Nimoy, RIP
Remember that the reason we consider Voyager to have destroyed the Borg is because Frakes made them work so damn well in First Contact. The last time we saw the Borg until then was Descent Pt II in TNG, which was a disconnected group. Previous to that, the last appearance of the Borg 'proper' was I, Borg.
Frakes pretty much made the Borg into what we think they are and should be, via his direction.
All of the Star Trek films are bad. I like them, sure. But never for a moment do I ever consider them great pieces of cinema. Even Wrath of Khan and First Contact are bad. But when all of the films are bad, it comes down to which films are worse than others.
Frakes is not a great director. Does he have better experience than Bob Orci? Of course. Could he do a better job at Star Trek 3? I'm going to say maybe.
The third movie is going to be bad no matter who is at the helm. And as established, if the script is horrible, if the story is horrible... the difference between Frakes and Orci in the director's seat is probably not going to be all that noticable.
Rest of the planet doesn't agree with you.
You cited almost the only truly serious critical successes, professional and audience, as being failures.
Technically, the entire franchise is terrible. But that's one of the charms of it, isn't it? It's bad science fiction you can't help but love.
Hell, every aspect of Star Trek is terrible. Bad shows, bad writers, bad acting, bad movies, bad games. Hell, even the community fanfictions are bad.
We have a nerd, a six foot tall TRIBBLE robot, a captain who spends most of her stories drinking, a Ferengi captain that acts like a human and all of our LC submissions, we've ripped off from episodes of Battlestar.
Yay, mediocre fandom!
-Leonard Nimoy, RIP
No more epic words were ever spoken.
Not once did I ever say they were failures. I just said they were bad cinema. From a storytelling perspective, Wrath of Khan and First Contact have so many plot holes you could sift through sand with them.
There is a difference between bad cinema, and a cinematic failure. And this is why.
Yes, the entire franchise is terrible. And that is why I enjoy it. That is part of its charm.
http://comicbook.com/2014/12/26/roberto-orci-will-not-write-star-trek-3/
I now have the tiniest grain of hope.