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zero2362zero2362 Member Posts: 436 Arc User
My original plan for the winter event was to log in and do the daily race with my main and 2 alts, buy the materials i need for the warp cores for my characters then spend the rest of my time enjoying the various activities while farming materials to sell on.

Instead I am sitting on a bridge all day with one character or another with the game minimized and watching extra credit vids on youtube waiting for the hourly borg snowman invasion often with a sizable group of other players also sitting afk.

Why?
Because I have to complete the tides of ice event 10 times with each of my characters in order to buy the warp core i want for each one

So why don't I just go and do the other events while I am waiting for the borg?
Well thats what I did do at first but when i tried that I would always end up missing the borg event.

I have other things I would rather be doing than leaving my Romulan alt sitting on an ice bridge freezing the points off of her ears while i hang out on youtube and I cant help thinking this move was made to encourage that kind of behavior.

Why?
Well the only logical reason I can think of is to pad out the metrics and make the game look like its more active than it really is. Truth be told though Its just making me want to not even bother with the winter event and go play some Master Chief Collection instead.

This has been a rather annoying trend of late with cryptic setting something up that gets me super exited to play, then introducing some random element that sours the whole experience. At least that's how it feels for me.

Anyway venting over. Let me hear your thoughts on the reasoning behind this rather odd decision and how its effecting your winter plans in game if at all

EDIT
People seem to be missing the meaning in my post. I am having no problems completing the daily race or gathering materials. My problem lies in that the requirements to unlock the warp cores for purchase are incredibly time consuming and are preventing me from doing anything else
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    It is not 10 times for each character. It is 10 times for one character. The current Tribble patch has changed the requirement for the new Winter Event items. So as long as one character has the accolade associated with running the Tides of Ice event 10 times, then every character will be able to purchase the Breen Warp Core when that patch goes live.
  • josephdridgewayjosephdridgeway Member Posts: 517 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Tribble Patch Notes posted yesterday (Dec 5, 2014)
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  • generaljestergeneraljester Member Posts: 55 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    The race is easy enough if your struggling to stay on track roll into the corners as for the core they are changing it next patch all being well if tribble notes are anything to go by. so its looking like the run once done 10x will be account wide unlock meaning you can take a leisurely run at it.

    As for the needed commodities, you will get them easy enough if you run Tides of Ice, Winter Invasion and run the doff missions. You can over the time earn you a decent chunk if you fall short then you can EC the shortfall from exchange
  • zero2362zero2362 Member Posts: 436 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    starkaos wrote: »
    It is not 10 times for each character. It is 10 times for one character. The current Tribble patch has changed the requirement for the new Winter Event items. So as long as one character has the accolade associated with running the Tides of Ice event 10 times, then every character will be able to purchase the Breen Warp Core when that patch goes live.

    Not true. One of my characters has the accolade but he is the only character I have that can purchase the warp cores
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    westmetals wrote: »
    Agreed. I personally have found the race event unwinnable at my skill level (after four hours of constant effort and about six different strategies). I am extremely angry about this as the dev blog originally said that only participation would be required, but even failing constantly for four hours gives zero reward. After I made a fuss about it... they changed the blog. Which effectively is an admission that they lied.

    I wish they would introduce SOME method of getting the collectibles which does not require winning the race (or real money; I'm aware they are available for lobi, but the price is prohibitive). The most similar game episode has a mechanic which autocompletes after three failure attempts - I don't understand why the race could not be equipped with something similar.

    My plans for winter have gone from grinding out all three ships for seven characters to "ignore it and hope people shut up about it before you go insane".

    All the race requires is sprinting in a straight line and rolling (pressing direction key twice) to stop and change direction. Jumping has also known to work to stop your character. Of course, you can sprint just for the long straight areas and jog for the curves. If I find the race to be ridiculously easy to complete given my lack of skill, then it is easy for almost every single person if they know those two steps.
    zero2362 wrote: »
    Not true. One of my characters has the accolade but he is the only character I have that can purchase the warp cores

    Did you not read, "current Tribble patch" and "when that patch goes live"?
  • qjuniorqjunior Member Posts: 2,023 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    zero2362 wrote: »
    Not true. One of my characters has the accolade but he is the only character I have that can purchase the warp cores

    Not true yet. Read more carefully, the Tribble patch isn't live yet. :P
  • js26568js26568 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    YOU DON'T DO THE RACE FOR THE WARP CORE, YOU HAVE TO DO THE "TIDES OF ICE" EVENT 10 TIMES.

    Sorry for shouting, but people keep missing this fact.
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  • futurepastnowfuturepastnow Member Posts: 3,660 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    js26568 wrote: »
    YOU DON'T DO THE RACE FOR THE WARP CORE, YOU HAVE TO DO THE "TIDES OF ICE" EVENT 10 TIMES.

    Sorry for shouting, but people keep missing this fact.

    Also, THE RACE IS REALLY EASY
  • zero2362zero2362 Member Posts: 436 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    qjunior wrote: »
    Not true yet. Read more carefully, the Tribble patch isn't live yet. :P

    My bad. Was in a hurry and didn't read properly
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  • zero2362zero2362 Member Posts: 436 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    js26568 wrote: »
    YOU DON'T DO THE RACE FOR THE WARP CORE, YOU HAVE TO DO THE "TIDES OF ICE" EVENT 10 TIMES.

    Sorry for shouting, but people keep missing this fact.
    I don't get why everyone is talking about the race when I quite clearly stated in the op that Tides of ice was the mission thet needed to be completed
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  • bobtheskull99bobtheskull99 Member Posts: 706 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    zero2362 wrote: »
    My original plan for the winter event was to log in and do the daily race with my main and 2 alts, buy the materials i need for the warp cores for my characters then spend the rest of my time enjoying the various activities while farming materials to sell on.


    Anyway venting over. Let me hear your thoughts on the reasoning behind this rather odd decision and how its effecting your winter plans in game if at all

    EDIT
    People seem to be missing the meaning in my post. I am having no problems completing the daily race or gathering materials. My problem lies in that the requirements to unlock the warp cores for purchase are incredibly time consuming and are preventing me from doing anything else

    i'm a bit confused, you were planning on farming winter stuff anyway, what's stopping you?

    also, personally, I have found that an hour is plenty of time to do Tides, finish, go do a bunch stuff (WW related or otherwise) and get still back to do another one

    by the time they patch the new requirements i'll have done Tides 10 times on 2 or 3 toons
  • bobtheskull99bobtheskull99 Member Posts: 706 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    westmetals wrote: »
    Probably because I was agreeing with your statement regarding a massive change of plans for the winter event, but for a completely different reason.

    As for the people offering race advice... I have tried the jump stops or roll stops or not running. I am capable of staying on the track when I use these tactics. The problem is that when using those techniques, I am not able to maintain a competitive speed and the opponent reaches the finish line before it is even visible. If I try to keep my speed up, it results in off-track DQ's. I have been unable to find ANY technique which I am capable of that will get me even within sight of the finish line without hitting some sort of failure, and I have spent over four hours of constant effort trying it.

    I honestly have NO CLUE how people are beating this consistently, much less think it's easy, while apparently using the exact tactics I'm using.

    i'm definetly not the most skilled guy when it comes to races or anything ground related and when I first tried the race I thought it was impossible when the first 4 tries ended in complete failure, now tho, I can complete it reliably without to much trouble

    I actually don't sprint much tho, unless I am on a straight bit

    the first time I won, I never sprinted once, only jogged, cut corners (you don't have to go between the markers, there is a lot of leeway there) and I preffer to stop early at a turn to anticipate the slide (I only use the roll if I mess up and slide too far), also have the delta rep trait for 5% running

    but perhaps you should experiment and find the method you are most comfortable with, don't give up just yet :)
  • zero2362zero2362 Member Posts: 436 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    i'm a bit confused, you were planning on farming winter stuff anyway, what's stopping you?

    also, personally, I have found that an hour is plenty of time to do Tides, finish, go do a bunch stuff (WW related or otherwise) and get still back to do another one

    by the time they patch the new requirements i'll have done Tides 10 times on 2 or 3 toons

    Reason im not going off and doing other things while i wait is that i often get so caught up in them that i end up forgetting to go take care of the borg or miss the event entirely. Yes I could just farm mats through the borg event but thats not what i want to do. I want to do a bit of this then a bit of that then something else. Not spam one event all day long
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    westmetals wrote: »
    Probably because I was agreeing with your statement regarding a massive change of plans for the winter event, but for a completely different reason.

    As for the people offering race advice... I have tried the jump stops or roll stops or not running. I am capable of staying on the track when I use these tactics. The problem is that when using those techniques, I am not able to maintain a competitive speed and the opponent reaches the finish line before it is even visible. If I try to keep my speed up, it results in off-track DQ's. I have been unable to find ANY technique which I am capable of that will get me even within sight of the finish line without hitting some sort of failure, and I have spent over four hours of constant effort trying it.

    I honestly have NO CLUE how people are beating this consistently, much less think it's easy, while apparently using the exact tactics I'm using.

    All I use is the mouse to look, the forward direction key, and the shift key. I never press the right, left, or back direction keys. Just sprint for the long straight areas and jog for the more difficult areas. It is possible to shave off a second or two by sprinting before the buzzer goes.

    For the first part of the race, I sprint to the first major curve while holding the right button on the mouse to make slight adjustments to my direction. When I reach the curve, I move my mouse to where I want to go next, then roll.
  • guardianvalourguardianvalour Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    I am inclined to agree with the topic creator, zero2362. The grind requirement just to unlock access to the store, has for myself, greatly soured the experience. The map is beautiful, and some of the content is fun, but having to play the Tides Of Ice event, ten times, when it is only available on the start of hour, has turned this into an unpleasant experience for myself.

    Cryptic is quite capable of creating enjoyable content, but they seem to mar it by forcing (in terms of needing to play content “x’ for reward “y”) players to have to play specific content numerous times, while dealing with time gates; which for myself, is simply not fun.

    The more I play Star Trek Online, the less enjoyment I seem to be having, which is unfortunate, because there is fun to be had, but grinding and time gates, which are abundant, seems to ruin the experience; at least for myself.

    On a happier note, Happy Holidays to everyone.
  • svindal777svindal777 Member Posts: 856 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Tides usually starts at 2 min past the hour, there is an occasional random one around 15 to the hour.

    There is plenty of time to eat some pie, do an invasion queue, do the snowman invasion that happens at 32 min past the hour, and still be done with plenty of time to get ready for the next tides (you could even squeeze in another pie contest or invasion queue).

    You just need to manage your time better.
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  • comtedeloach2comtedeloach2 Member Posts: 499 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Really? with any luck, you can run the tides of ice twice in an hour, I have done that twice now and its a guick 2 runs through it. I have nine as of today without even breaking a sweat, and will have the other one probably tomorrow, when I will start on my next toon.

    I don't see the problem with it.
  • woodwhitywoodwhity Member Posts: 2,636 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    westmetals wrote: »
    Probably because I was agreeing with your statement regarding a massive change of plans for the winter event, but for a completely different reason.

    As for the people offering race advice... I have tried the jump stops or roll stops or not running. I am capable of staying on the track when I use these tactics. The problem is that when using those techniques, I am not able to maintain a competitive speed and the opponent reaches the finish line before it is even visible. If I try to keep my speed up, it results in off-track DQ's. I have been unable to find ANY technique which I am capable of that will get me even within sight of the finish line without hitting some sort of failure, and I have spent over four hours of constant effort trying it.

    I honestly have NO CLUE how people are beating this consistently, much less think it's easy, while apparently using the exact tactics I'm using.

    Just jump the entire time, only stop on hard turns (jump+ no pressing key=instant stop) and for acceleration after sharp turns. That way you can even easily overtake the npc of the player running in front of you. Sometimes even the player in front of you.

    You could also try it the way its supposed to be, but thats just takes longer. And I hate inefficiency.
  • merthenmerthen Member Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    westmetals wrote: »
    Agreed. I personally have found the race event unwinnable at my skill level (after four hours of constant effort and about six different strategies). I am extremely angry about this as the dev blog originally said that only participation would be required, but even failing constantly for four hours gives zero reward. After I made a fuss about it... they changed the blog. Which effectively is an admission that they lied.

    I wish they would introduce SOME method of getting the collectibles which does not require winning the race (or real money; I'm aware they are available for lobi, but the price is prohibitive). The most similar game episode has a mechanic which autocompletes after three failure attempts - I don't understand why the race could not be equipped with something similar.

    My plans for winter have gone from grinding out all three ships for seven characters to "ignore it and hope people shut up about it before you go insane".



    On my first day it took me 1 hour to win my first race, now i can do it in 1 to 3 tries. I run full speed with out the need to roll or jump. If you want i can show you how i do it, look me up in game @trackerx1
  • erraberrab Member Posts: 1,434 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    zero2362 wrote: »
    My original plan for the winter event was to log in and do the daily race with my main and 2 alts, buy the materials i need for the warp cores for my characters then spend the rest of my time enjoying the various activities while farming materials to sell on.

    Instead I am sitting on a bridge all day with one character or another with the game minimized and watching extra credit vids on youtube waiting for the hourly borg snowman invasion often with a sizable group of other players also sitting afk.

    Why?
    Because I have to complete the tides of ice event 10 times with each of my characters in order to buy the warp core i want for each one

    So why don't I just go and do the other events while I am waiting for the borg?
    Well thats what I did do at first but when i tried that I would always end up missing the borg event.

    I have other things I would rather be doing than leaving my Romulan alt sitting on an ice bridge freezing the points off of her ears while i hang out on youtube and I cant help thinking this move was made to encourage that kind of behavior.

    Why?
    Well the only logical reason I can think of is to pad out the metrics and make the game look like its more active than it really is. Truth be told though Its just making me want to not even bother with the winter event and go play some Master Chief Collection instead.

    This has been a rather annoying trend of late with cryptic setting something up that gets me super exited to play, then introducing some random element that sours the whole experience. At least that's how it feels for me.

    Anyway venting over. Let me hear your thoughts on the reasoning behind this rather odd decision and how its effecting your winter plans in game if at all

    EDIT
    People seem to be missing the meaning in my post. I am having no problems completing the daily race or gathering materials. My problem lies in that the requirements to unlock the warp cores for purchase are incredibly time consuming and are preventing me from doing anything else

    It may have already been said but next patch we'll only need to run the event 10 times on one character to unlock the cores for all characters on the account.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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  • merthenmerthen Member Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    westmetals wrote: »
    WELL GOOD FOR ****ING YOU.

    I have now spent five hours trying this - including all the tactics that people keep suggesting I try AS IF I AM NOT ALREADY USING THEM.

    And I have not even been able to win once. Not only that, only twice have I even gotten WITHIN SIGHT of the finish line before the NPC reached it.

    I can handle the track positioning, if I'm careful. I just can't keep up with the NPC at the same time. I don't know why, and I don't know how everyone else seems to think it's so laughably easy that I must not be doing it the way they are.

    And I really do NOT understand why there isn't some sort of mechanic to allow players who find it impossible to get the collectibles anyway. The most similar episode DOES have such a mechanic (it autocompletes after three failures). Why is this different?

    I was only trying to help you if you dont want help that fine with me. but its no reason to be rude. Reason i said i would show you is that its kind of hard to explain it, its best if i just show you in game.
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  • lordfuzunlordfuzun Member Posts: 54 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    westmetals wrote: »
    Probably because I was agreeing with your statement regarding a massive change of plans for the winter event, but for a completely different reason.

    As for the people offering race advice... I have tried the jump stops or roll stops or not running. I am capable of staying on the track when I use these tactics. The problem is that when using those techniques, I am not able to maintain a competitive speed and the opponent reaches the finish line before it is even visible. If I try to keep my speed up, it results in off-track DQ's. I have been unable to find ANY technique which I am capable of that will get me even within sight of the finish line without hitting some sort of failure, and I have spent over four hours of constant effort trying it.

    I honestly have NO CLUE how people are beating this consistently, much less think it's easy, while apparently using the exact tactics I'm using.

    The race is beatable but not by using they keyboard to steer with. I'm in my mid 50s and my handle eye coordination has never been to the level of a yound 'L33T' twitch shooter player. But I can beat the race sprinting the entire way. It did take me quite a bit of practice (namely running the race on 12 different characters the first year to get the Breen Cruiser).

    If you are having problems, JOG most of the way. When you get a long straight away them sprint until you get near a corner. Then roll chance direction and start jogging again.

    Another hint it to use Mouse Look to control your direction. I use the Toggle Mouse Look key-bind (under Options) to toggle it on and off. I use Mouse button 5 for my toggle but you can use any key you want. When Mouse Look is active, moving your mouse left and right will steer your character left and right. It gives you a lot more granular control than trying to use the keyboard steering keys.

    i hope those hints help out. I especially suggest trynig Mouse Look for control if you do nothing else. For me it makes all the difference in the world.

    Note 2: Using a similar techique (Left+Right Mouse Buttons) I've also been able shave my Hodos Race Speed Trial down to 112 seconds. To get it any lower I'm gonna need to get some faster engines. I''ll probably need to get a [Full]x3 Impulse engine to do it.

    Note 3: I'm also an idiot. You can use my Mous eLook method on the ground by hitting 'B' and using Shooter Mode. It accomplished the same thing and you don't have to use any keybinds. Before the race start starts, hit 'B' and use the Mouse to steer and WIN THE RACE.
  • merthenmerthen Member Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    westmetals wrote: »
    It's not that I don't WANT the help. It's that I've already received the exact same help - and it didn't teach me anything I didn't already know. I've had half a dozen people have me meet them in game - and show me the tactics I am already using. And I have had those same people then give up and say 'I don't know why you're not winning'.

    And I cannot get over the fact that this is the ONLY such challenge in the game that I am aware of that doesn't have some sort of fallback autocomplete mechanic. AND that the devs used the word 'participate' in the original blogs (which they have now changed).

    the tactics that they showed you is totaly difrent from mine. all i can say is just watch me a few times and judge for yourself.
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  • lordfuzunlordfuzun Member Posts: 54 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    westmetals wrote: »
    Apparently I'm the idiot, because I've tried the mouse look method, etcetera.... and I still can't win. I don't know what the problem is - response time, responsiveness of controls, the stupid sliding mechanic, something else, or some combo of everything.

    The developers are the REAL idiots though, because they didn't put in any kind of a compensation mechanic. EVERY similar episode in the game has one.

    This may seem a silly suggestion. Don't try to win (at first). Ignore the pressure of trying to beat your opponent. Focus on learning how to to just stay on the track and maintain a decent pace. Try my jogging suggestion. Just job around the track until you learn the track and how to run the race. Then try sprinting one some straightaways to add some speed to your ties.

    The above method is how I learned to beat the race. It took me several hours to learn how to consistently beat the race. This was just jogging and a bit of spinting. In the first years, I was do so many races, I got bored and attempted to push the it to the edge. Eventually after so many frikkin' races, I've learned how to sprint the entire way with having to touch the keyboard at all.

    I do on occasion really cut the corners of the race course to finish as fast as I can. If the race course is busy enough, I can lap the player who started in front of my most of the time. But I do have to use the keyboard to keep my self under control.
  • cpc2011acpc2011a Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    You could always have Q turn you into a sahlat cub. Back in 2012 we used that to learn the course because for some reason it felt like you had better control. But now, I don't know if that's still the case.

    I also don't jump or roll, use the mouse for directional, constant or near constant sprint, cut some corners, and use left/right arrows for slide control on sharp turns. Back when I first tried in 2012 I felt the same way, it's impossible. But I practiced even when not doing the race. It really isn't that hard once you get the hang of how and when to turn and control the momentum.
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