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Delta Patrols? Weren't they meant to give more XP?
sanokskyrat
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Because I am not noticing any changes with the XP.
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I think the apathy is because of the continual stream of lies regarding the XP and how the game is AWESOME...
"You don't have to do something again and again and again repetitive that doesn't have much challange, that's just a general good gameplay thing."
^ ZING we have a winner!
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just a solo run in argala on normal, but yes it gave more exp than the last time I ran it, little more than 10k
"You don't have to do something again and again and again repetitive that doesn't have much challange, that's just a general good gameplay thing."
but snowballs and snowglobes and pies are more important, don't worry about the xp, nothing to see here.
Interesting, i'd like to see these calculations, link?
If you do Argala once a day perhaps. But you can play for more than 10 minutes...
Of course, that is ignoring that Cryptic plans to add new specializations. I guess at 1 Argala a day, it would actually take forever.
Then someone is pretty bad at math.
As of last week (before any potential XP boost), it took me 2 hours to grind out a skill point from Argala runs (at 5 min per run). There are 60 skill points total, so that's 120 hours of playtime required... No where near 3.5 years, unless you only play 5-10min a day.
u are a hero
noone with brain would run that 2 hours for a Level
Free Tibet!
It's 10,000 for the one kind of enemy
11,000 for the Hirogen
and I guess 12,000 for Kazon though I wasn't able to get Kazon despite leaving and returning 10 times - and before this I had only ever gotten Kazon.
For me this is a no-starter. No way I'm doing this patrol 15 times for a level. No thanks.
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All the other content in the game, including a lot that was added with DR, (e.g. Kobali Prime), is still next to useless for leveling.
If you can stand the patrols, you have a chance at getting a spec point, though the time investment vs reward hardly seems worth it. If you can't stand the patrols, you're not going getting any.
If they had any sense, they would have buffed the XP from kills in Argala at the same time. That would have got me back into Argala grinding away.
Free Tibet!
Well darn. We're completely incapable of playing until we have the spec tree maxed out. I guess I'll just have to start Argala grinding.
</sarcasm>
I find it dumb to only buff the Delta Rising Patrols.
I guess they want people to focus on the Delta Quadrant now, but... I see no real reason to funnel people in that particular direction. I can get the attempt to make people prefer particular queues, because that can greatly improve the experience of queing up (but it makes me wonder what the other queues are all for).
But for all the other content - the more equally useful options there are, the greater the satisfaction of players due to the increased variety.
But anyway, as long as we are limited to Delta Rising - if 15 times Argala is boring, there are a lot more patrols than Argala - maybe they don't all pay out 10,000 or whatever skill points - they will probably mostly be close to that, and what you lose in skill points you will gain in variety.
You just forget about those "average casual players" who play 5-10 minutes per week but must have everything as fast (or even faster, because they don't have time to play) as regular players.
Well then let me give you some bad math.
From level 50 to 110 was 150,000 = 9,000,000
so the old Xp for a patrol was around 6,500/9,000,000 = 1385 times
If you were to do that ONCE a day (AND NOTHING ELSE) for one toon and no duty officers that was 3.7 years.
The reason i went with that was because some times you do a whole weekend running these patrols or if you were luck me and have 30 toons and were trying to level them all time.
I didn't included doffing because that depends on how long the mission is, the type and how long your on. To many factors.
Holy ****, you did Argala Patrols for 2 hours?
Defera Dailies.
Tau Dewa Dailies
Save the freighter
Save the Deuterium Station
Satellite Repair
Empire Defense - all four
Path of the Warrior - Both of them. Forgot about the wrapper which awards Dil as well.
One Spotlight Foundry Mission - Which also has a wrapper which adds 960 Dil to whatever award the Spotlight does.
And then I did Argala Patrol. Lately, the RNG Gods have been mocking me by sending only Hirogen there.
About three hours all told. Spaced out throughout the day whenever I felt like it.
If only winter event was all-year-long event...
Lol for real? 3.5 years?
My highest level is 57 so it's not like I care about leveling, but wtf.
I noticed this thread and thought this was a good place to drop my comment on a mission reward for a DR patrol at level 58.
What a cr@ppy reward
I know there are a lot of comments about the low XP rewards, but add an insult with these low-ball item rewards. :rolleyes:
You have precisely summarized my feelings and conclusions on level 5-60 grind. I've tried putting it into words in other threads, but did it much better then I had.
Neverwinter has the same end game leveling structure as STO has except for the post-cap level up bonus. It's a random reward instead of guaranteed "skill" point. But Neverwinter has plenty of daily missions which give out first run level 60 XP rewards. I can level up in 2 or 3 days in NEverwinter at a very casual pace because I have things to do. They Dailies are varied and plentiful enough that I don't get bored doing them. They are dallies in alll of the Campaign aka Reputation zones. There are 3 Dallies and a lair per zones for the most part. And this should be STO's solution.
You've the devs) put entirely too much focus on time vs rewards for everything BUT XP. It seems to be an after thought. You need to give the entire engame PvE play experience a free focus and look with a Neverwinter as a model.
You mean the system they had IN PLACE ALREADY FOR 4+ YEARS? (And that they supposedly removed because to them it was 'sub par' - yet with the new expansion that they are claiming as the 'best STO expansion ever' - at the start they have people grinding a patrol with a similar setup as the removed 'exploration' missions - to the point they call it an exploit; and further they nerf XP acquisition across the game - and when they find the new DR content and zones virtually abandoned; the claim to double DR patrol XP.)
^^^
Given this, and the fact they are essentially conceding EVERYONE is leveling specialization points via the DR Argala patrol, their claim that they removed exploration as 'sub par' content is ridiculous (at least the missions there HAD some randomization) when they now are effectively buffing ONE patrol's XP rewards in an attempt to placate and retain pissed off players and try and get players into the DQ zones.
I do agree with your solution quoted above as a decent one, but with Captain Al Rivera Geko as the current STO lead designer; I doubt hey can do a decent re-implementation of it. He doesn't seem to understand good game design in general if DR is an example of his design decisions.
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So it is again cryptic fault that you can not decide, and you have to play a small fleet. If you want to play 30 chars deal with fact that it will take you 30 times longer to level them all up then someone who play one/two chars.
Point is though - said system was still more random then the 'Grind one of the six DR patrols until your eyes bleed' paradigm, or the fact the majority of those grinding Spec points just do 'Argala' over and over because it has the best XP per time spent running it ratio.
I also have to wonder if the STO Dev leads are under fire for the overall performance of DR fom PWE management, and the whole 'double XP for DR patrols' is an attempt to improve the usage metrics of the new DR content? (IE why did they just double DR patrols; and not patrols in general; OR double the patrol rewards across the board once you hit level 51+?)
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