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Reactive Ship Repairs nerf? Whi did this.

maxprangemaxprange Member Posts: 65 Arc User
Who took the only power that made roms and kdf viable characters in pvp and nerfed it to oblivion.

Old:
15 second cd
1.8k per second
5 seconds

New: 20 second cd
360 something per second
5 seconds

HA

This is worse than hull repairing nanites. If the devs would pull their head out of dev land and see what is actualy going on in the game they would stop making more and more misteaks. So now what, if I want to survive I remake this character as a fed? Get all those ships? Do all that trash? No how about we just cut funds from me entierly.

Getting rid of the other two factions / removing those who wont P2W as a fed is not a good marketing strategy.

Devs figure it out before you ruin this game even more. Have you looked at the amount of players on every week? The number only goes down and hasent come up. I hope this winter event was worth your time over fixes, fleet intel ships (promissed how long ago?) and paying attention to whats broken.

Broken:
Ionic Turbulance
Emp Probe
Neutronic Torpedo
Viral Torpedo
Surgical Strikes (the fahet can use it under cloak for gods sake)

My options now are clear: leave, only fly a cloaker, or be come fed. While I dont want to leave and it is my last choice dont you think after seeing many leave, say they are going to, and still make the same mistake youd figure it out eventually?

YOU HAVE BROKE THE GAME, FIX IT!


This is not a leaving message, this is a fact that needs to be fixed fast.
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  • dius1981dius1981 Member Posts: 500
    edited December 2014
    maxprange wrote: »

    Old:
    15 second cd
    1.8k per second
    5 seconds

    New: 20 second cd
    360 something per second
    5 seconds

    Nerfing a new ability to the point where it is useless is not the best move Dev's.

    Incentive to grind Delta rep just went down down down. Personally didn't think this needed adjusting. And yeah considering you have some real OP shizzle in the game at the moment - Neutronic Torp / Surgical Strike to name a few...

    You go ahead and nerf a defensive ability HAHAHAHAHAHA...
    Someone forgot to feed the monkey, hes clearly low on blood sugar.

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  • maxprangemaxprange Member Posts: 65 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Parsed and Confirmed:

    What would have healed me 400-500k easily before did 33k

    400 -> 33, this is a big drop and as a matter of fact, the hullrepairing nanites would easily out heal this on my ESCORT. This is literaly half of its hull, not even worth keeping if the match lasted 9 minutes (thank you pve pugs, knew i could count on your 1 k dps to keep this going on for better results).

    So the average player cant do damage, or take a hit, yet we find a reason to continuously nerf things that aid in this.

    But oh not intel, not the big P2W abilities. Ive been defending them saying they are "avoidable" yah but when everyone has them its bad. Cant escape from 100% dissable time cant do anything, and now i cant get a free heal.

    Whats next? Do you want me to give you my assimilated set too? Aegis would be more P2W now wouldnt it?
  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    maxprange wrote: »

    Broken:
    Ionic Turbulance
    Emp Probe
    Neutronic Torpedo
    Viral Torpedo
    Surgical Strikes (the fahet can use it under cloak for gods sake)

    What is broken about Viral Torpedo and Surgical Strikes, if I may ask? I use them both. They appear to work just fine.
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  • giotarizgiotariz Member Posts: 652 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    I bet you never did any PvP if not you wouldn't even be asking this.

    Viral Torp = almost constantly disables the enemy.
    Surgical = Can get crits as high as 70k on a DHC and 12k on a turret. A TURRET.
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  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    giotariz wrote: »
    I bet you never did any PvP if not you wouldn't even be asking this.

    Viral Torp = almost constantly disables the enemy.
    Surgical = Can get crits as high as 70k on a DHC and 12k on a turret. A TURRET.

    Hahaha! I thought you said they were BROKEN! You got me worried there for a moment! :)

    Totally 'working as intended,' as far as I'm concerned. And let's not cry nerf at every turn, k? The're nerfing way too much already, without you piling on.

    And no, I don't PvP.
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  • origin350rorigin350r Member Posts: 25 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    If they felt it was healing too much, haven't they ever heard of a minor change? Change the lockout to 20, or SLIGHTLY reduce the healing per tick...what you don't want to do is increase a lockout AND gut an ability. It's worthless now, and it's going off my ship. It doesn't stop me from getting killed with 100% shields up, so it's worthless. You just forced everyone back into hull tanking and not shield tanking...thanks for making me waste all that dilithium on upgrading. Don't worry though, I won't be buying any dilithium with zen to change my setup. I'll just be content with sucking and dying over and over like 99.8% of the population seems to be. I'll still do more dps than them if I die 10 times in a single match.
  • cbrjwrrcbrjwrr Member Posts: 2,782 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    meimeitoo wrote: »
    And no, I don't PvP.

    And that is exactly why you don't understand it. No offence. Try it sometime - you WILL instantly change your mind.
  • origin350rorigin350r Member Posts: 25 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    cbrjwrr wrote: »
    And that is exactly why you don't understand it. No offence. Try it sometime - you WILL instantly change your mind.

    Ahh yes...let's nerf an ability because of bad players that do 1k dps. I had ZERO problems breaking the tank of someone using reactive ship repairs...in an engineering ship...with an engineering captain.

    Tanking is not a viable play style in this game...not in PVP, and not in PVE. Maybe it was intended to be at the start...but we're a long way beyond that now. Stop crying that you don't want to dps and that you want to play Star Trek in the USS Rainbow Brite because it makes you feel so very pretty...adapt and overcome.
  • cbrjwrrcbrjwrr Member Posts: 2,782 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    origin350r wrote: »
    Ahh yes...let's nerf an ability because of bad players that do 1k dps. I had ZERO problems breaking the tank of someone using reactive ship repairs...in an engineering ship...with an engineering captain.

    Tanking is not a viable play style in this game...not in PVP, and not in PVE. Maybe it was intended to be at the start...but we're a long way beyond that now. Stop crying that you don't want to dps and that you want to play Star Trek in the USS Rainbow Brite because it makes you feel so very pretty...adapt and overcome.

    Why don't you get a f**king clue who you are f**king talking to first hmm? Mister "I'm a newbie from Aug 2014 and just 14 posts."
  • origin350rorigin350r Member Posts: 25 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    cbrjwrr wrote: »
    Why don't you get a f**king clue who you are f**king talking to first hmm? Mister "I'm a newbie from Aug 2014 and just 14 posts."

    This game is not overly complicated to master...if I've surpassed you in dps during that time, then that's your fault. I do my PVP in the game...not on the forums. If you spent as much time learning game mechanics as you do slinging personal attacks at your betters on the forums, then maybe you'd be good at the game.
  • cbrjwrrcbrjwrr Member Posts: 2,782 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    origin350r wrote: »
    This game is not overly complicated to master...if I've surpassed you in dps during that time, then that's your fault. I do my PVP in the game...not on the forums. If you spent as much time learning game mechanics as you do slinging personal attacks at your betters on the forums, then maybe you'd be good at the game.

    So, the guy only capable of 32k DPS talks down to a guy with the knowledge and skill capable of over twice that. I like you, you amuse me.
  • ghyudtghyudt Member Posts: 1,112 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    This ability, if I'm reading right, was healing for something around 300k per activation. Considering no player ships hull ever reaches that point, yeah, I'd say it was broken to begin with. The nerf this time was actually necessary.
  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,872 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    giotariz wrote: »
    I bet you never did any PvP if not you wouldn't even be asking this.

    Viral Torp = almost constantly disables the enemy.
    Surgical = Can get crits as high as 70k on a DHC and 12k on a turret. A TURRET.

    So I take it Viral Torpedo has a 18 second duration disable...I mean it has to since it only launches one every 20 seconds.
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  • shadowwraith77shadowwraith77 Member Posts: 6,395 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    cbrjwrr wrote: »
    Why don't you get a f**king clue who you are f**king talking to first hmm? Mister "I'm a newbie from Aug 2014 and just 14 posts."

    So, this post needs modding badly!
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  • maxprangemaxprange Member Posts: 65 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Amusing, you see in this thread the PvEers get all fussy because they may loose half a damage, then the PvPers come back and slap em.

    They can easily just nerf the dissable and keep your -res there best of both worlds for the intel, but the trait -> needs a fix NOW.
  • maxprangemaxprange Member Posts: 65 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    For those of you who want to complain that this intel and season 10 stuff isnt "op" "broken" and everyother bs thing. Check out this video a friend of mine made. Towards the end you will see what an OLD fahet build could do.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FDE8CAoiOA

    Just imagine now that we all do 3x that...
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    ghyudt wrote: »
    This ability, if I'm reading right, was healing for something around 300k per activation. Considering no player ships hull ever reaches that point, yeah, I'd say it was broken to begin with. The nerf this time was actually necessary.

    They could have applied a limit/diminishing returns to it...and addressed some of the outlier issues on the one end; while also setting a minimum on the other end - instead of doing what they did...meh.
  • apocenderapocender Member Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    What Vex said!

    Devs need to realize they screwed up really bad.
    I've been looking at it for a while....Then it hit me...When they "fixed" it, they reversed the heal values! I haven't been able to take a screenshot, but look at the space version and it will tell you about 300 heal per second for five seconds...Then look at the ground version and it will say 2250 heal per second for five seconds..I mean come on, who has THAT much health on the ground!They clearly mixed the values up when they "fixed" it. Its one of this games problems in a nutshell. Trying to balance something only to make some of it worst. Hopefully it get fixed and we can all have a decent defensive trait for once.
  • mosul33mosul33 Member Posts: 836 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    apocender wrote: »
    I've been looking at it for a while....Then it hit me...When they "fixed" it, they reversed the heal values! I haven't been able to take a screenshot, but look at the space version and it will tell you about 300 heal per second for five seconds...Then look at the ground version and it will say 2250 heal per second for five seconds..I mean come on, who has THAT much health on the ground!They clearly mixed the values up when they "fixed" it. Its one of this games problems in a nutshell. Trying to balance something only to make some of it worst. Hopefully it get fixed and we can all have a decent defensive trait for once.

    Indeed. Could be.
    But I suspect its just the ol' "pull the carrot from the stick" trick, since right now the metrics told them that most players did the delta rep grind thus its not nedded anymore.
    And I exspect Intel stuff to be nerfed too. But not soon enuf until the metrics tell that players had grinded it too. The carrot still need to be up on the stick lol. Probably in a month or two. And stuff like surgical strikes will only give +5% crit and acc at start and +15% at higher lvl, lower then the starting lvl right now and it wont be even worth bothering to lvl up the intel spec for tier 3 skills.
    Altho sooner we may see an increase in efectivness on upgrading consoles to mk XIII and MKXIV (spire ones included), since I doubt the weapon increase had any succes in making ppl upgrade their stuff. It will be followed by rage: "Noo Cryptic, WTF, even moar crit and dmg, it screws up the game". Then it will came the nerf of the intel stuff, so "Crpytic listens to players feedback":rolleyes:, but pretty much, if you look at the big picture, things will be the same, since buffs and nerfs will cancel each other.
  • hereticknight085hereticknight085 Member Posts: 3,783 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Oh. Is that why my Assimilated 2 piece set is not doing much now? I thought I was just getting bad proc luck. Turns out I was getting procs and it didn't matter cuz... well... It just got shot away in the next hit. LOL almost no incentive to use the assimilated set now, cept it still gives nice power bonuses and it looks cool...
    It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once. B)
  • maxprangemaxprange Member Posts: 65 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Ive been doing some thinking, but rigth now, this power does what 1.5k hull healed every 20 seconds? Not realy that great.

    On my 87k hull cruiser, the hull repair nanites do 871.5 hull every 3 seconds.

    If you look at this in minutes:

    For every 1 minute:

    Reactive: 12k hull restored per minute
    Hull Repair Nanites: 17,430 hull (on my average hulled cruiser)

    Now for an escort, the hull repair will be less, but for one of those 110k hulled tanks, it is even more.

    Shouldnt a new power that came with a season that has a very high damage focus be better than an old, passive heal?

    Reactive can keep its 20 second cd, thats ok, and it doesnt need to be 1.7k hull per second like before, though that was a decent number for anyone who is not playing federation (again, they get a ton of free heals from starship traits, yet romulan and kdf get none)

    Set the reactive to 1.5k every 2 seconds for 10 seconds. That gives it a 50% up time, a window to shoot through so it cant be called op. It as well allows other factions to keep up to par with the federation characters.

    This is a big draw back for PvP, where if you want to be the best tank, you theoretically want to be in a federation ship.

    I myself just stoped leveling more characters after this nerf, because all of my good gear is on romulans. Why would i level my romulan healer when the feds have such a huge advantage?
  • hereticknight085hereticknight085 Member Posts: 3,783 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    You know, they may have nerfed that due to people abusing it. Honestly more often than not in PvP and in PvE, people were going in with Fleet/MACO Shields and borg 2 piece. Great shield tank, with a good chance of there being a massive OH **** OH **** OH *** HUGE hull heal.

    This greatly reminds me of when the devs removed the Assimilated Module from the assimilated set. Good-bye 2 piece MACO 2 piece Borg lol...

    The devs are always saying they want to increase in game variety... this may have been a not so subtle message to us to change our builds...
    It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once. B)
  • dese1ectdese1ect Member Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Lol. You complain about a nerf, then ask the devs to nerf other things. Then when they nerf the other things, those players will complain about the nerf and ask them to nerf what you use. Then everyone wonders why all the skills they like get nerfed. Am I summing this up correctly?
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