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Where's the satisfaction gone in STO?
naz4
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I think Cryptic lost the meaning of fun for everyone a long time ago. How can repeating the same mission over and over and over again be fun? There is no sense of accomplishment any more.
Remember the original STF's? Now they were awesome. Granted the graphics were dated but fun none the less. After 4 hours of trying the first time round and finally getting the Borg piece at the end, you felt satisfaction. Satisfaction in knowing you tried hard AS A TEAM to complete the STF.
Now, repetitive, mundane, space bar smash is the new fun? When did that happen?
I've been here since beta and it really pains me to say this, but the power race coupled with a bazillion reps and all the other starbase associated BS put together has pretty much killed it. The difference between a kitted out player with all the bells and whistles vs. a fresh new player with standard gear is like the difference between a level 1 vs level 50 player. How did that balance go wrong so fast? How can gear make that much of a difference?
The PvE queues have become almost as bad as PvP queues. I might as well go shopping and come back whilst i wait for the pop or the game times out.
Rant over. What are your thoughts & feelings guys?
Remember the original STF's? Now they were awesome. Granted the graphics were dated but fun none the less. After 4 hours of trying the first time round and finally getting the Borg piece at the end, you felt satisfaction. Satisfaction in knowing you tried hard AS A TEAM to complete the STF.
Now, repetitive, mundane, space bar smash is the new fun? When did that happen?
I've been here since beta and it really pains me to say this, but the power race coupled with a bazillion reps and all the other starbase associated BS put together has pretty much killed it. The difference between a kitted out player with all the bells and whistles vs. a fresh new player with standard gear is like the difference between a level 1 vs level 50 player. How did that balance go wrong so fast? How can gear make that much of a difference?
The PvE queues have become almost as bad as PvP queues. I might as well go shopping and come back whilst i wait for the pop or the game times out.
Rant over. What are your thoughts & feelings guys?
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apart from that issue, its a two edged sword. The game must grow, evolve, and change or it will die when ppl grow bored. Adding more stuff at 50 was starting to be a problem -- level cap increase was necessary IMHO. Power creep is also necessary, if its not an upgrade, why earn/buy/bother with it? People want upgrades.
There are a LOT of issues with how the expansion does things. I could list problems all day. But the concepts of power creep and level cap increase are both eventually necessary things in a MMO.
You have just encountered the main problem with most MMOs. Devs can't create enough new and interesting missions to satisfy players so they have to create repeatable missions and have players grind for some reward. Cryptic has done something right with the Foundry to deal with this problem, but it is underutilized.
If the mission was long like the old ones with rewards adjusted accordingly, there would be less repeating. Instead, you do an STF in the blink of an eye which just compounds the problem.
No, that is the problem with MMOs that does not have PVP.. like STO and only a few others, beacose in most succesfull MMOs, PVP is a fundamental aspect of the game.
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...as it had been by design in sto from the start, some may just forgot about :mad:... and for the satisfaction-part: disabled in the cloud lol :rolleyes:
DR pretty much killed that for too many reasons to list here. My footer says it all...
Not true. There are lots of ways to expand content horizontally without powercreep. Just an example here, but what if there were ships and clothes and so forth that was only available to ~Vulcans, so if you want to experience that content then you have to create a ~Vulcan toon (or a Nausicaan toon, or a Cardassian toon, and so on). There are lots of ways to expand the game horizontally that do not involve committing extortion on the player base. Dont wave it off so easily.
False. Sandbox maps would go a long way. All we have for that are some low-level encounter zones (eg, level 12 Klingons flying around in sector space). PVP is another. Cryptic only does heavily scripted encounters, nothing else.
The current state is not inevitable by any means, but it is the product of their willful design choices
By the same token...nobody is forcing you to GET a job...heck you could be a homeless if you like that kinda stuff...Im Ok with grinding...Im not OK with EXTREME grinding till your eyes bleed to an unending orgy of grind. Somewhere in the middle is sanity. Post DR this game has gone to an extreme...they keep pushing the wrong clicks and expanding the grind fest to where no human has gone before.
Another speaking for "everyone" thread.
I find plenty of fun in the game. If I didn't it would be weird for me to stick around and keep playing it.
It's been heading that way for a long time now. The PvE content is terrible. DPS is king and trumps all, which I personally find incredibly dull.
The issues with balance have just gotten worse every time they add some new rep, gear or grind on top of the basically flawed mechanics of the game.
- No immersion, it's LB ships/Romulans online
- Too many "must have" powers, no ship build or diversity in tactics/roles
- Stupid AI with inflated health numbers (I think only the Valdore NPCs use APA)
- Simple features don't work consistently or are buggy, see ship tray and loadouts
- A neglected faction. KDF have no viable high-end science ships (PvP related)
- Levelling, crafting and now "story content" revolves around excessive repetition
- Neglected PvP, entry level too high for most
- Space meta in PvE = DPS only
- Space meta in PvP = SNB/Vape/Intel
- No exploration in a Trek game - FFS Cryptic
I have nothing wrong with the people that really get off with DPS. All power to them, if that's what they enjoy. They are working within the meta that Cryptic has created. Though I know a lot of people find that kind of play not to their liking.
Rant over. I don't play STO anymore and can't think of anything that would entice me back.
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Not everyone PvPs and there are few MMOs where PvP is a fundamental aspect of the game. Most successful MMOs have PvP as an optional feature like Crafting, Raids, etc not mandatory.
Sandbox maps have the same problem as all other content. Players get bored of it and go somewhere else. Killing a group of enemies that look different than another group of enemies or gathering resources that look different is still grind. MMO is Grind. Having unique challenges in the sandbox map like Wildstar helps.
The only thing that gives an escape from the grind is decent User Generated Content which STO should focus on making it more popular.
Not necessarily...
I personally liked the liveliness of the PvP queues that occurred due to Legacy of Romulus.
I loved every bit of that PWE sponsered expansion, Subspace Integration Circuit and all. :P
You didn't see that coming? The KDF has been underdeveloped since launch, this is nothing new.
DR didn't expand on anything at all. No more KDF content, no more FED content, no more Romulan content. Just a bunch of ships and a story arc that could be finished in a few hours were it not for the immense grinding timegate.
I mean at least they TRIED in LoR, even if they forgot about the KDF a little, as they always have.
Well done you managed to test out one of the really grindy TRIBBLE games out there. Beware there are a lot of them. Just because you experienced something truly terrible doesn't excuse this game from becoming truly terrible. Never mix that up.
I've played some games that were so broken that it's not worth discussing them, others that were just terrible repetitive messes. I'd rather STO didn't keep happily rolling down the hill towards those two conclusions...
This game has quite literally gone downhill massively since the expansion dropped.
"You don't have to do something again and again and again repetitive that doesn't have much challange, that's just a general good gameplay thing."
A mess of copy-pasted short durations buffs does not interesting game play make.
If a mess of buttons was the bestest thing ever fighting games would have 128 buttons.
Unfortunately, it seems the amount of Satisfaction XP needed to get to the next Satisfaction Level has increased and the amount of Satisfaction XP earned by playing STO has been nerfed.
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