Should 2500 Zen ships go T6

questerius · November 2014

As it is, the 2500 zen ships are currently the most expensive ships in the game.

2500 zen to purchase, 500-700 zen to upgrade.
Yet for this expense they do not receive a T5 mastery Level and trait.

Should the 2500 zen ships in you opinion be made T6 and receive access to a special trait?

captainkorak · November 2014

I am terribly sorry to hijack your thread dude but I gotta do something. I've been registered for a year and it still won't let me create a new thread. I tried using the "Contact Us" link at the bottom of the forums but I get a link to support that doesn't do anything when clicked.

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thecosmic1 · November 2014

And the flip side of that is that I could get a T5U ship without spending any Zen at all - simply buy Fleet Modules and Upgrade Tokens with ECs from the Exchange. So technically they can be the least expensive ship in the game too.

hpgibbs · November 2014

questerius wrote: »

As it is, the 2500 zen ships are currently the most expensive ships in the game.

2500 zen to purchase, 500-700 zen to upgrade.
Yet for this expense they do not receive a T5 mastery Level and trait.

Should the 2500 zen ships in you opinion be made T6 and receive access to a special trait?

No. 2500 is the cost for a T5 ship, and that's exactly what you get. Providing an upgrade like you described would defeat the purpose of a T6 ship. Since T5 and T5U are still perfectly viable for elite content and end game stuff, stands to reason that they keep the system with ships as is.

angrytarg · November 2014

All ships that were purchased via the store should be "full t6" as there is no reason why you should have to change ships to enjoy all of the content the expansion offered. People buy the upgrade, they "pay" one way or the other. It shouldn't matter what ship skins they like to use, frankly.

thecosmic1 · November 2014

captainkorak wrote: »

I am terribly sorry to hijack your thread dude but I gotta do something. I've been registered for a year and it still won't let me create a new thread. I tried using the "Contact Us" link at the bottom of the forums but I get a link to support that doesn't do anything when clicked.

Can any moderator please help me out with my account? Thanks!

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anothervisitor · November 2014

They won't do that as they want to sell their new shiny Intel C-store ships. They don't care to make the older ships T6 as many players already own them and that might remove the incentive to buy the Intel ships instead.

withnail68 · November 2014

Don't forget the 500 to upgrade to Fleet afterwards and the gring that went into getting the fleet to T5 and the provisions.

How much are the T6 ships, I got the Delta Op pack, and haven't paid much attention to there current price.

To be honest I'm a little dissapointed in them. I'm Currently grinding out the Ship traits on one toon and will revert back to my Fleet or Non Faction T5-U ships afterwards.

The Guardian is just not as nice as the Galaxy-X or an Oddy

questerius · November 2014

withnail68 wrote: »

Don't forget the 500 to upgrade to Fleet afterwards and the gring that went into getting the fleet to T5 and the provisions.

How much are the T6 ships, I got the Delta Op pack, and haven't paid much attention to there current price.

To be honest I'm a little dissapointed in them. I'm Currently grinding out the Ship traits on one toon and will revert back to my Fleet or Non Faction T5-U ships afterwards.

The Guardian is just not as nice as the Galaxy-X or an Oddy

T6 ships are 3000 zen each when sold separately.

hpgibbs · November 2014

angrytarg wrote: »

All ships that were purchased via the store should be "full t6" as there is no reason why you should have to change ships to enjoy all of the content the expansion offered. People buy the upgrade, they "pay" one way or the other. It shouldn't matter what ship skins they like to use, frankly.

They're still the exact same ship. No reason to do that. Also, if they were going to, the amount of developing time would be astronomical. That amount of zen gets you the exact same ship with the exact same stats. It's a T5, still viable for endgame content. So you're saying. Whenever a car company releases a new model of their vehicle that you've previously purchased, they should give you that new car for free?

withnail68 wrote: »

Don't forget the 500 to upgrade to Fleet afterwards and the gring that went into getting the fleet to T5 and the provisions.

How much are the T6 ships, I got the Delta Op pack, and haven't paid much attention to there current price.

To be honest I'm a little dissapointed in them. I'm Currently grinding out the Ship traits on one toon and will revert back to my Fleet or Non Faction T5-U ships afterwards.

The Guardian is just not as nice as the Galaxy-X or an Oddy

Fleet ships are still fantastic, even before T5 U upgrades. The T6 fleet will end up being the best in the game. If you work with enough of certain Intel powers, it's obvious that these ships can be the most powerful. Take the phantom or eclipse cruisers, a surgical strikes build on there will melt any single target in a matter of seconds, even in PvP, while keeping a strong tank running.

questerius wrote: »

T6 ships are 3000 zen each when sold separately.

Exactly. Like I've said, you get what you pay for.

captainkorak · November 2014

anothervisitor wrote: »

They won't do that as they want to sell their new shiny Intel C-store ships. They don't care to make the older ships T6 as many players already own them and that might remove the incentive to buy the Intel ships instead.

I have purchased zen many times and I have been registered on the forum for 11 months.

woodwhity · November 2014

500 zen per tier.

angrytarg · November 2014

hpgibbs wrote: »

They're still the exact same ship. No reason to do that. Also, if they were going to, the amount of developing time would be astronomical. That amount of zen gets you the exact same ship with the exact same stats. It's a T5, still viable for endgame content. So you're saying. Whenever a car company releases a new model of their vehicle that you've previously purchased, they should give you that new car for free? (...)

You are not making any sense. 1) Stop the car analogy. This is a video game. Everything *could* be changed with a simple change of numbers in a code. A manufactured car cannot be changed like that. 2) The ships are not the same, not even in terms of game logic. The T5U and T5 ships are two different entities that just happen to look alike. The upgrade could without any trouble change further stats, like including an ensign intel boff.

Look, I'm not demanding a Cmdr intel on my old ship because it's not an intel ship. I don't demand a cmdr sci on an escort either. But they introduced new stuff with the expansion and I think it should not be necessary to purchase a new ship skin for that. I want to keep my ship, so let me just buy another zen upgrade token and make my ship comparable to T6 - after all that's endgame. But I don't want to change my ship for this endgame content (which includes intel abilities). If I buy upgrades it doesn't matter if I buy a new ship or another token.

And while we are at number-crunching: A 2500 zen ship with fleet upgrade and T5U token costs more than a T6 ship. Logic?

errab · November 2014

The only way that we'll see T5U ships upgraded to full T6 ships is if Cryptic can charge up a premium to do so.

Has it stands T5 and T5U ships are just fine when compared to T6 ships.

I'd love to have intel seating on all of my T5U ships but I don't think that there would be anyway for this to happen unless Cryptic charged me another 2000 - 25000 zen to do so.

In the end depending on the ship that you prefer you'd end up paying quite a bit to upgrade your T5 to T6.

In my case let's look at the Galaxy X

2500 C-Points for the Original ship = $25.00

500 Zen to upgrade to the Fleet Galaxy X (I bought my upgrade with EC)

700 Zen to upgrade to the T5U Fleet Galaxy X (I bought a 4 pack for 2000 Zen)

If a T6 upgrade were possible you can bet that all of the above would need to be done and the upgrade to T6 would be at least 1500 Zen on top of everything else that you already had to get.

I'm sure if enough players ask for it Cryptic will be more than happy to SELL us T6 upgrades for our T5U ships but there's no way in Gre'thor that they'll give them to us for free

hpgibbs · November 2014

angrytarg wrote: »

You are not making any sense. 1) Stop the car analogy. This is a video game. Everything *could* be changed with a simple change of numbers in a code. A manufactured car cannot be changed like that. 2) The ships are not the same, not even in terms of game logic. The T5U and T5 ships are two different entities that just happen to look alike. The upgrade could without any trouble change further stats, like including an ensign intel boff.

Look, I'm not demanding a Cmdr intel on my old ship because it's not an intel ship. I don't demand a cmdr sci on an escort either. But they introduced new stuff with the expansion and I think it should not be necessary to purchase a new ship skin for that. I want to keep my ship, so let me just buy another zen upgrade token and make my ship comparable to T6 - after all that's endgame. But I don't want to change my ship for this endgame content (which includes intel abilities). If I buy upgrades it doesn't matter if I buy a new ship or another token.

And while we are at number-crunching: A 2500 zen ship with fleet upgrade and T5U token costs more than a T6 ship. Logic?

Your T5 ship is still perfectly viable. The car analogy is perfectly viable because the concept is the exact same. It's not that easy to do anything to change your current ships. They provided the whole T5U so there is an option to improve your current ship. Remember, cryptic is a business, and. If all previous products are upgraded for free, they wouldn't make money. It's s necessary evil.

angrytarg · November 2014

hpgibbs wrote: »

Your T5 ship is still perfectly viable. The car analogy is perfectly viable because the concept is the exact same. It's not that easy to do anything to change your current ships. They provided the whole T5U so there is an option to improve your current ship. Remember, cryptic is a business, and. If all previous products are upgraded for free, they wouldn't make money. It's s necessary evil.

I never said anything about "free". I said I buy another token if that's what they want. I just don't think it's good policy to "force" players to buy completely different ships to continue to play endgame content.

They introduced intelligence as a "fourth branch" so to speak. Every ship has Eng/Sci/Tac slots, so every ship should now get a intel slot as well. Limit it to ensign for T5Us and let T5Us have real masteries. Done. But "forcing" people out of their (canon=) ships in a Star Trek game? not a good idea

I know that you don't need it, that's why I put the word in quotation marks. I don't have to pay for anything either, in fact I got all my zen store ships "for free". It shouldn't really matter which skin your ship has.

And no, the car analogy will never make sense. What's in STO is *not real*. They can change any of this at will and take all of it from you with two buttons pressed. A real, physical product is something different.

nativejoe · November 2014

Do I think they should? sure

Simply because 30 dollars for a starship trait is wack.

The ships are somewhat in line power wise... but Who wants to fly Non-cannon ships?
Why should players be effectivly punished for playing their beloved Galaxy, or replica of voyager, or replica sisko defiant?

Just saying the Appeal of playing starTrek verses other space games lies in the role play of it. even if it is nothing typed and just the whole pew pew pew inside your head.

if its natural progression your going for in the ship line up, Rebuilding the old ships and adding in variances, specializations and synergies for owning the previous versions would probably be more in line with what the base of the population wants without adding controversy.

or add in another 7 dollar upgrade lol

Buy ur ship 25 dollars
upgrade for 5 dollars
t5u 7 dollars
Then add in idk... retrofit with current advanced technologies for 10 dollars

Retrofit ads in specializtions and traits. and additional bonuses , maybe even weapon slots or more stations etc

or possibly upgrade power systems so we achieve higher power levels, possibly in a certain area etc etc

hpgibbs · November 2014

angrytarg wrote: »

I never said anything about "free". I said I buy another token if that's what they want. I just don't think it's good policy to "force" players to buy completely different ships to continue to play endgame content.

They introduced intelligence as a "fourth branch" so to speak. Every ship has Eng/Sci/Tac slots, so every ship should now get a intel slot as well. Limit it to ensign for T5Us and let T5Us have real masteries. Done. But "forcing" people out of their (canon=) ships in a Star Trek game? not a good idea

I know that you don't need it, that's why I put the word in quotation marks. I don't have to pay for anything either, in fact I got all my zen store ships "for free". It shouldn't really matter which skin your ship has.

And no, the car analogy will never make sense. What's in STO is *not real*. They can change any of this at will and take all of it from you with two buttons pressed. A real, physical product is something different.

I've stated many times that you don't need T6. Your T5 and U thereof still work quite well.

angrytarg · November 2014

hpgibbs wrote: »

I've stated many times that you don't need T6. Your T5 and U thereof still work quite well.

That's not the point, though.

crusader2007 · November 2014

questerius wrote: »

As it is, the 2500 zen ships are currently the most expensive ships in the game.

2500 zen to purchase, 500-700 zen to upgrade.
Yet for this expense they do not receive a T5 mastery Level and trait.

Should the 2500 zen ships in you opinion be made T6 and receive access to a special trait?

I'd say more like 5000 Zen

Token upgrades to T5 2500 and Full upgrades (if that is possible) like buying a new T6 ship or 5000 Zen.:D

sirokk · November 2014

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rmy1081 · November 2014

alaric63 wrote: »

I bought a Fleet ship for $20.00 (4 Fleet Ship Modules), and upgraded it to T5-U for $5.00 (I bought the 4 pack of Upgrade Tokens). The math you are throwing around is hyperbole. T5-U ships are basicaly T6 ship, the designation difference shouldn't trouble you much. IT's just there to indicate the ship's progression. You are crying about nothing but a label.

I can't say this any differently. T5-U is an upgrade from T5. It should cost you/us something. They have done a nice job of balance between the two types of ships. I have a T6 and 2 T5-U ships, and I choose to fly one of the T5-U's. Buck-up and pay for your stuff.

he's talking about the $25 ships not the $20 ones.

EDIT: also not every fleet ship is $20...some, like the excelsior are $25 if just bought with fleet modules.

czertik123 · November 2014

angrytarg wrote: »

You are not making any sense. 1) Stop the car analogy. This is a video game. Everything *could* be changed with a simple change of numbers in a code. A manufactured car cannot be changed like that. 2) The ships are not the same, not even in terms of game logic. The T5U and T5 ships are two different entities that just happen to look alike. The upgrade could without any trouble change further stats, like including an ensign intel boff.

Look, I'm not demanding a Cmdr intel on my old ship because it's not an intel ship. I don't demand a cmdr sci on an escort either. But they introduced new stuff with the expansion and I think it should not be necessary to purchase a new ship skin for that. I want to keep my ship, so let me just buy another zen upgrade token and make my ship comparable to T6 - after all that's endgame. But I don't want to change my ship for this endgame content (which includes intel abilities). If I buy upgrades it doesn't matter if I buy a new ship or another token.

And while we are at number-crunching: A 2500 zen ship with fleet upgrade and T5U token costs more than a T6 ship. Logic?

HOw many other mmo games you play ? ever heard about world of tanks/warthunder ? you soudn like child like if in these games they will relase new tanks/planes then you will demand them to be given to you for free (or you get your vehicles automaticaly upgraded to new ones).
in these games max tier is 10 - and if these compaynies ever create t11 be sure you will have to grind/buy new t11 vehicles, they will never ever give yu t11 for free - usles some special action needing your active coopertion.

erei1 · November 2014

When you pay 2500 + 700 = 3200zen, one might expect at the very least the same quality than something you pay for 3000zen. Unfortunately, Cryptic doesn't agree.
Maybe the boff seating doesn't suit you or whatever, but sooner or later, T6 will simply be better than T5, and right now, by just having more flexibility and unique choice when it comes to BOFF (intel seat), and a unique traits you can equip on any ship once unlocked, I think they are already superior.

So, for 200 zen more, what do we have ? Nothing. In fact, we have less. Pay more for less. Sounds fair.

And before someone start arguing you can buy the token from the exchange/whatever, someone had to buy them in the first place. So in the end, it's still worth 700 zen.

meimeitoo · November 2014

questerius wrote: »

As it is, the 2500 zen ships are currently the most expensive ships in the game.

2500 zen to purchase, 500-700 zen to upgrade.
Yet for this expense they do not receive a T5 mastery Level and trait.

Should the 2500 zen ships in you opinion be made T6 and receive access to a special trait?

For a full 3,000 Zen (2,500 fior original C-Store ship + 500 for Upgrade Token) you get a T5-U. Not seeing a real problem with that. Especially not since I really only upgraded a handful of non-lockbox ships to begin with.

Sure, I'd love my T5-U ships to get a ship Trait too, but they already have an extra console vs. the T6 ships. Can't have it all.

lordmalak1 · November 2014

thecosmic1 wrote: »

And the flip side of that is that I could get a T5U ship without spending any Zen at all - simply buy Fleet Modules and Upgrade Tokens with ECs from the Exchange. So technically they can be the least expensive ship in the game too.

:eek:
9 million ec each module plus 108500 dilith for the upgrade token plus 77,500 dilith for the 10 mil ec silver account unlock.

32 bucks is cheaper.

questerius · November 2014

sopwithsnipe wrote: »

You are NOT getting a T6 Connie. :P

Why don't we go for the T5 connie and stop asking after that. :P
Personally the only reason place i like to see a connie is in the cross-hairs for my klingon character.

mustrumridcully0 · November 2014

questerius wrote: »

As it is, the 2500 zen ships are currently the most expensive ships in the game.

2500 zen to purchase, 500-700 zen to upgrade.
Yet for this expense they do not receive a T5 mastery Level and trait.

Should the 2500 zen ships in you opinion be made T6 and receive access to a special trait?

I think they should be upgradeable to Tier 6. We "fought" very long and hard to get Tier 5 Retrofit versions of all the canon TNG era ships (many which were Tier 4). To have this undone just means we have to keep fighting again for it.

That said... It won' be a quick process if you really want to have a new Starship Mastery with each ship. I would be willing to accept "recycled" masteries, or have none at all, and just accept that ships that were upgraded to Tier 6 from a lower tier don't get them.

You will eventually unlock traits with specializations, lockbox ships, or C-Store ships. It just takes time, so it doesn't have to come from a a Defiant or Galaxy for me.

I don't even need Intel stations. Just give me that extra BO power and the same number of consoles.

I love the Phantom, but I think I would love it more with a Defiant skin.

And it doesn't have to be cheap or free. I think Cryptic would probably attract quite some anger if they sell us a Tier 6 Defiant, Sovereign or Vesta for 3,000 Zen, but frack it, I'd pay that for my favourite ship. [/Whale]

thecosmic1 · November 2014

lordmalak1 wrote: »

:eek:
9 million ec each module plus 108500 dilith for the upgrade token plus 77,500 dilith for the 10 mil ec silver account unlock.

32 bucks is cheaper.

40-50 million ECs are not that hard to get - and that is especially true when you consider yourself making those millions over 50 levels to get that T5U ship.

I make 15-20 million ECs in a month just casually playing and unloading stuff I do not want on the Exchange - and around 300,000 Dilithium to go with it. It is the people who think a month or two is an impossible amount of time that never manage to get anything.

Heck, I give away 3-7 million ECs every week to random people: 1 million per day that I am logged in. When you have played for a while you reach a point where you quickly realize the ECs have no value because you already have everything you want.

angrytarg · November 2014

czertik123 wrote: »

HOw many other mmo games you play ? ever heard about world of tanks/warthunder ? you soudn like child like if in these games they will relase new tanks/planes then you will demand them to be given to you for free (or you get your vehicles automaticaly upgraded to new ones).
in these games max tier is 10 - and if these compaynies ever create t11 be sure you will have to grind/buy new t11 vehicles, they will never ever give yu t11 for free - usles some special action needing your active coopertion.

*ragesqueal* ffs, I never said I want anything for free. I am willing to play their little upgrade token game, but I don't want to leave the ship I'm comfortable with.

I consider the ship you are commanding to be an integral part of Star Trek. The ship itself is a part of your crew. STO treats them like expendable cars like you are playing GTA and need a new ride for a specific mission. That's nonsense. When they introduce new epic abilities in other MMOs they don't say "in order to profit from our expansion please delete your warrior and re-roll a shadowrogue. Thank you."

sopwithsnipe wrote: »

You are NOT getting a T6 Connie. :P

It'd be a Galaxy and Nebula for me

I wouldn't play T6 connies as the game is visually to far away from TOS for me to enjoy

Should 2500 Zen ships go T6

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