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Fed Weapons: no love, no dev and no rep system?
dondaddyd
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In this game we have a variety of weapons and a healthy distribution of fleet phaser beams/cannons and photon/quantum torpedoes.
However, why is there a lack of one off special traditional Fed weapons tied to the reputation system? A new quick firing quantum torpedo or an experimental phaser array, maybe?
We have Borg, Tetryon, Plasma, Polaron, Antiproton beams, cannons and torps - cutting beams, experimental plasma arrays and hyper-plasma torpeodoes to name a few. All tied to the reputation system but no purist Fed rep system.
Don't get me wrong the variety is cool but when I'm flying in my state of the art Fed Fleet Avenger and firing anything but phasers and photon or quantum torpedoes I couldn't feel further removed from StarTrek.
AND from a story element, I find it hard to believe that Federation, faced with the frankly awesome Romulan fire-power and threats from the Voth, Borg, Undine and Iconians would not develop a whole new range* of phaser banks and torpedoes (that are either photon or quantum in origin).
*Yes, I get that there is the 8472 Counter Measure stuff but two things bug me about that stuff:
1. It is very focused on defeating the Undine
2. The phasers and photon torps are green - WTF?
Thoughts?
However, why is there a lack of one off special traditional Fed weapons tied to the reputation system? A new quick firing quantum torpedo or an experimental phaser array, maybe?
We have Borg, Tetryon, Plasma, Polaron, Antiproton beams, cannons and torps - cutting beams, experimental plasma arrays and hyper-plasma torpeodoes to name a few. All tied to the reputation system but no purist Fed rep system.
Don't get me wrong the variety is cool but when I'm flying in my state of the art Fed Fleet Avenger and firing anything but phasers and photon or quantum torpedoes I couldn't feel further removed from StarTrek.
AND from a story element, I find it hard to believe that Federation, faced with the frankly awesome Romulan fire-power and threats from the Voth, Borg, Undine and Iconians would not develop a whole new range* of phaser banks and torpedoes (that are either photon or quantum in origin).
*Yes, I get that there is the 8472 Counter Measure stuff but two things bug me about that stuff:
1. It is very focused on defeating the Undine
2. The phasers and photon torps are green - WTF?
Thoughts?
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They would have access to federation tech with fewer 'safety' features, and unlike Starfleet, they would be able to distribute these items to the other factions, provided doing so in some way furthered their goals.
I would love to see two more rep systems added;
Starfleet Engineering
Klingon Engineering
A lot of people would love to get Canon equipment for their ships and currently there is nothing at the top end.
Fed have already enough love. KDF and Rom could use a bit more.
I would like to have some more Starfleet-looking weapons though, such as a double quantum torp that the Defiant had (it does not have to do extra damage or anything, just visually a double torp).
There could be a rep that does this, maybe changing depending on faction.
Feds could have Corps. of Engineers or something like that, but I don't know about the KDF.
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It worked in the beginning but they seriously need to take some time and go over the exotic damage from weapons while improving the disruptor/phaser choices. Even phasers with nadeon pulse would be an inprovement and might actually improve some of the newly available radiation build options out there.
Their thoron infused weapons are terrible btw, radiation is on the level of ground weapons so I'm like why did you bother putting in those dots again if that's all they'll do is 31-50 damage a tick on an all exotic damage build on a Dauntless? smh
Someone over there is terrible at math.
It's a pity that the only ones to have Phaser's as the base is the Undine Rep. They aren't too bad, but are very green
A full set of Phased Biomatter are pretty damn good though, or a Connie's set of old Blue style, replete with gratingly annoying firing sound.
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you have a entire rep to work with.
And there are fleet plasma weapons i have them.
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What!? Pics. If you're right, then fair enough. Still doesn't ignore the traditional set and colour of fed weapons and the lack of special options (namely in a rep system) in this game.
Romulans have fleet weapons and a Rep to work with that offers a Experimental Plasma Array and Hyper-plasma torp some of the most effective weapons in the game.
Now my Romulan is totally different. As they offer a Romulan Rep for those weapons. So she will be fully loaded on "Romulan" weaponry. Where my Fed and KDF won't be.
WoW has faction Reps so you can get access to your faction/race. So it would be nice to see the rest get something.
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He's talking about Fleet Elite. There's Fleet Advanced of everything, and Fleet Advanced Plasma is far inferior to romplas.
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He isn't.
No it didn't.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jA34za7zakw
That was the only-used-once effect for rapid remodulation.
Which you can watch being looped for five minutes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilPTE40rPaY
I'm sorry to say this, but even if we do get more phaser weapons from new reps or lockboxes, they won't be the classic orange you're looking for. That colour is reserved for the standard Starfleet phasers that already have advanced and elite fleet variations to choose from.
There are fleet plasma weapons.... advanced fleet plasma weapons.... but unlike the main faction weapons there is no Elite fleet plasma. only phaser and distruptors are available in elite fleet variants.
Yes but the Romulans have a whole Rep system with which to kit their ships.
I'd all be for Elite Fleet Plasma weapons alongside Disruptors and Phasers. I'm not sure why there aren't any.
This will not happen because they always alter the colour variations for different types of weapons. The visual distinction between the weapons in-game is based on variations of colour and on that terms the only weapons to have the classic orange-y colour from the shows will be the standard Starfleet phasers, not lockbox or reputation ones.
The best you can hope for is if they mix the orange with some weird effects like they did with the Voth AP weapons, but they won't have the same classic look and sound you're looking for.
In fact, the delta reputation, which is about the alliance of the 3 powers only shows KDF and Fed in the rep picture for every rank. No rom at all.
Alongside a Romulan-only Tal Shiar rep(with Romulan Disruptors) and a KDF-exclusive Fek'ihri rep(with AP). Y'know, to be fair.
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Unfortunately, it's Cryptic, and we may have a section 31 rep without the other faction intelligence.
Thats an optical misconception I think. Look closely at the scene. The Borg cubes tractor beam (which in the TNG days was blue) is in the foreground, meaning the phaser (yellow) is behind it, so the two visually overlap.
Whats blue+yellow? Answer: green
The Enterprise was not firing green phasers, let alone multicolor otherwise.
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I don't think you are understanding my point here.
There is nothing stopping 'them' creating a rep system with the appropriate colour phasers and torps. Regardless of what they've done previously - If there is a trend towards more traditional weapon sets (as seen in the TV shows) and they can get players grinding and spending dilithium/money.
1. We have blue phasers to go with the TOS Enterprise, along with annoying sound. This was included in the game ages ago. This doesn't negate the fact that for at least 3 more iterations of Star Trek shows and some decades phasers - photon and quantum torps have been consistently maintained a certain colour.
2. Its been established that one time The Enterprise D fired a multicoloured beam as it cycled through all frequency modulations to destroy the borg tractor beam. A one time thing and not the consistent norm in the franchise.
Yeah; too bad Elite phaser proc sucks, though; it doesn't even stack (heck, some say it doesn't even work); and it's not a team proc (unlike Elite Disruptors). So, yes, for the love of Kahless, give phasers some love, please!
no i wasn't as starswordc pointed out i wasn't aware there wasn't elite fleet ones as my Romulan is in a fleet that doesn't have access to elite fleet weapons yet.
but i still dont see a major issue here, the romulan rep plasma weapons are fine i have them on my dyson ship and she is a very powerful vessel, even without elite fleet ones.
"It appears we have lost our sex appeal, captain."- Tuvok
The Biomolecular Disruptors are close enough to normal Disruptors to count. I could use the Biomolecular Phasers on a Klingon ship, pretend they're Disruptors and be okay with it, but on a Fed ship? Never.
I really don't understand why every variation of a weapon needs to have a different SFX. It doesn't even matter in PvP (or what's leftof PvP) as once you are in the fight you can in no way adapt to your opponents energy type.
So in the end all these different SFX only do two things:
A: Cost development time
B: Take us even further away from the Trek we all know.
This was discussed so often, I really would love to see a Dev response on this. But as it seems making Star Trek Canon lovers happy is at the bottom of the Priority List (see Tron ships...)