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ID this for real? another Skill point nerf !!!

icsairgunsicsairguns Member Posts: 1,504 Arc User
i was doing my collecting of daily doff missions and it came in rather low. so after clearing them all i pick a couple of fast ones and took a screen shot. then in 30 min when they were completed compared the two.



Results are an across the board reduction in skill points earned vrs what is stated on the mission when you accept it. i only bothered posting one example but can post more if naysayers show up .


http://kdf-fleet.webs.com/klingon-culture


and this isnt even one of the good missions where the differences are much larger.
Trophies for killing FEDS ahh those were the days. Ch'ar%20POST%20LoR.JPG


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  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    About 61% reduction. On top of all the other XP nerfs, what's next? Penalties for logging in???
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  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    I haven't noticed this to be honest, but I suspect we're dealing with some bug that crawled out since the last patch, since borticus made it clear yesterday in another thread that yesterday's patch had absolutely no tinkering with XP gains in it.
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  • leod198leod198 Member Posts: 101 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    I have the same thing.
    http://imgur.com/1zdZ77w over 50% reduction on SXP.
    Can someone explain this please?
  • icsairgunsicsairguns Member Posts: 1,504 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    shpoks wrote: »
    I haven't noticed this to be honest, but I suspect we're dealing with some bug that crawled out since the last patch, since borticus made it clear yesterday in another thread that yesterday's patch had absolutely no tinkering with XP gains in it.

    ok so maybe its a bug and they are not just telling us more tall tales. who knows but if they acknowledged it yesterday just how long are we supposed to play with "unintended " skill point reductions?

    im sure if it was bugged in our favor they would be moving on this allot faster maybe even taking doffing offline until its fixed and they can determine how much they can take away from people LOL.


    and im trying hard not to become bitter about all of this stuff, as said before my feds are dead and gone now. my kdf lineup is jsut an alt force now for gathering dil like this mirror event . and i can only afford to play one toon . and by afford i mean time and money. so by lowering skill points they are increasing the time needed to achieve the same results from a only few short weeks ago. and they are not going to get more money simply because i already bought the only two ships they wanted to sell to me.
    Trophies for killing FEDS ahh those were the days. Ch'ar%20POST%20LoR.JPG


  • bobbydazlersbobbydazlers Member Posts: 4,534 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    so instead of getting 144 skill points you get 89 but on the other hand instead of getting 17 expertise you 245 and instead of 20 ec you get 480 ec, huum seems like a good deal to me.

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     and if that journey takes a little longer,

    so we can do something we all believe in,

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  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    leod198 wrote: »
    I have the same thing.
    http://imgur.com/1zdZ77w over 50% reduction on SXP.
    Can someone explain this please?

    63% reduction, about in line with the losses the OP posted. This sucks.
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  • icsairgunsicsairguns Member Posts: 1,504 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    so instead of getting 144 skill points you get 89 but on the other hand instead of getting 17 expertise you 245 and instead of 20 ec you get 480 ec, huum seems like a good deal to me.

    lol your nuts i have a little over 23 million of unspent expertise its useless where i am in the game now . and pretty much same with the ec whats 225 ec? not even worth looking at . cant even place max bet on dabo with that. so you must have been joking.
    Trophies for killing FEDS ahh those were the days. Ch'ar%20POST%20LoR.JPG


  • vivenneanthonyvivenneanthony Member Posts: 1,278 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    About 61% reduction. On top of all the other XP nerfs, what's next? Penalties for logging in???

    I think this was planned for Season 10.5.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6lHm-stXdM

    I'm guessing although and it's a opinion.

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  • janus1975janus1975 Member Posts: 739 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    STO giveth, and STO taketh away!
    Blessed be the name, STO...
  • bobbydazlersbobbydazlers Member Posts: 4,534 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    icsairguns wrote: »
    lol your nuts i have a little over 23 million of unspent expertise its useless where i am in the game now . and pretty much same with the ec whats 225 ec? not even worth looking at . cant even place max bet on dabo with that. so you must have been joking.

    perhaps some of the results may fluctuate depending on the randomness of the game per chance.
    or perhaps it is only because you are only just now looking for these things but they have been there all along.

    but when you think that you never even did anything to get these marks does it really matter that much either way.

    oops pardon me you clicked the left mouse button a few times.

    also people are already complaining they get more progress from doff missions then game play so maybe it is just as well they are coming in lower.

    When I think about everything we've been through together,

    maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,

     and if that journey takes a little longer,

    so we can do something we all believe in,

     I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.

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  • graysockgraysock Member Posts: 172 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    It's being investigated and is not intentional, hold the flame war!

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    Hmm, go and get a coffee then hehe

    Sorry but with all the recent stuff that happened I believe its intentional, the only "Bug" is that still the old values are displayed instead of the new ones.

    Watch as the bugfix will be an actualization of the doff screen and everything else is working as intended.
  • bobbydazlersbobbydazlers Member Posts: 4,534 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    It's being investigated and is not intentional, hold the flame war!

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    Hmm, go and get a coffee then hehe

    no flames here, it just doesn't bother me that much if the results differ slightly, most of these things are done when im sleeping or at least afk anyway so its no biggie.

    When I think about everything we've been through together,

    maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,

     and if that journey takes a little longer,

    so we can do something we all believe in,

     I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.

  • sheldonlcoopersheldonlcooper Member Posts: 4,042 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    I noted this the morning Before the patch.

    Someone else noticed it Wednesday night.
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  • leod198leod198 Member Posts: 101 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    At this point in our life we do not care much about Expertise or EC's . Please, correct me if i wrong ,but it is the Skill XP points are moving this bar on top of the screen, this is what we are after, and it is cut by over 60%. I hope it is just a temporary bug and will be fixed asap or a am wrong about it.
  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    graysock wrote: »
    Sorry but with all the recent stuff that happened I believe its intentional, the only "Bug" is that still the old values are displayed instead of the new ones.

    Watch as the bugfix will be an actualization of the doff screen and everything else is working as intended.

    I don't believe so in this particular case, because we had a dev. come in and precisely state that what's going on is unintended and that they weren't messing with the XP gains in yesterday's patch. If it was what you assume it was, they'd just remain silent on the issue like with other issues.
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  • banatinebanatine Member Posts: 250 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    It's being investigated and is not intentional, hold the flame war!

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    Hmm, go and get a coffee then hehe


    I do hope this is true. If it is, that just means that it is possibly the most inopportunely timed bug in the history of everything! XD

    Regardless, i fully expect to wait until at least next week for it to be fixed. *sadface*
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  • sheldonlcoopersheldonlcooper Member Posts: 4,042 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    shpoks wrote: »
    I don't believe so in this particular case, because we had a dev. come in and precisely state that what's going on is unintended and that they weren't messing with the XP gains in yesterday's patch. If it was what you assume it was, they'd just remain silent on the issue like with other issues.

    The thing is - several people noticed this Before the patch. I'm not sure how that is possible.
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    "With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."

  • cerritourugcerritourug Member Posts: 1,376 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    lol, it seems that some were exploiting the doffs so they nerf it too..

    My god cryptic, keep doing this and in a month not even the devs are going to stay arround.
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  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    The thing is - several people noticed this Before the patch. I'm not sure how that is possible.

    I'll be perfeclty honest and admit that in my lenghty time of playing STO, I've never really paid attention to those Doff gains, aside from ones that grant sweet amounts of dilithium. :D
    Anyway, we can keep the discussion going and wait to see what the answer or the resolution would be for this.
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  • swamarianswamarian Member Posts: 1,506 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Here's the thread in the bugs forum, if you want to comment there.
    http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1280091
  • bones1970bones1970 Member Posts: 953 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    lol, it seems that some were exploiting the doffs so they nerf it too..

    My god cryptic, keep doing this and in a month not even the devs are going to stay arround.

    Lets all join Branflacks at Firefall.. looks like he jumped out at the perfect time !!
  • rodentmasterrodentmaster Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    It's very telling when the more likely of 2 explanations (and the easier to believe across the board) is that this was intentional to grind players into paying real money for xp boosts.


    It's sad when THAT is the more believable explanation and that everybody is so burnt out they can't even get upset anymore.
  • rnaughtrnaught Member Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    While I have no proof of an XP nerf from DOff missions, I noticed them not paying out what it said they would when I would take the mission on the day DR was released, bugged it and moved on.

    I can also say that they nerfed Expertise from the Academy Lore missions at the very least. Before the patch yesterday each mission used to give 1181 Expertise. Now today they only award 866 Expertise. Considering I run these things EVERY day, I got used to seeing a certain amount of Expertise. And now the day after a patch, that amount has taken a hit.

    Oh sure, Expertise isn't as important as Experience, but a nerf is a nerf. If they cut one, they could easily have cut the other.
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  • royalsovereignroyalsovereign Member Posts: 1,344 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Leveling has always been way too fast in this game anyway. Nerf it! :D

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  • janus1975janus1975 Member Posts: 739 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Leveling has always been way too fast in this game anyway. Nerf it! :D

    *hides under a nearby rock*

    In a way I can agree with that... but how would I personally introduce a slowing of XP?
    1. Talk about it and come up with ideas with customers!
    2. Put up a "proposal to players" that showed the direction I was settling on going!!
    3. Add a bunch of interesting, not-always-the-same, patrols and explorations that created opportunities to level!!!
    4. And only then, slowed down XP!!!!
    5. ... finally, keeping a beady eye on it, to make sure it was working properly!!!!!
  • icsairgunsicsairguns Member Posts: 1,504 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    janus1975 wrote: »
    In a way I can agree with that... but how would I personally introduce a slowing of XP?
    1. Talk about it and come up with ideas with customers!
    2. Put up a "proposal to players" that showed the direction I was settling on going!!
    3. Add a bunch of interesting, not-always-the-same, patrols and explorations that created opportunities to level!!!
    4. And only then, slowed down XP!!!!
    5. ... finally, keeping a beady eye on it, to make sure it was working properly!!!!!

    if all that was the goal all they had to do was expand the amount of skill points needed for the next lvl up and continue growth from 50 to 110. then nothing else would have been messed up in the game at all. for anybody. just with each new lvl the amount needed for the next lvl would be more. that just seems like the best way to do it to me.
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  • phyloephyloe Member Posts: 35 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    I think this must be a bug. I have checked several of my captains and I am not experiencing this.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    phyloe wrote: »
    I think this must be a bug. I have checked several of my captains and I am not experiencing this.
    Yeah, same here. I looked at my level bar to see how many points to the next level then collected a mission that claimed it would give me 400, I got over 500...
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  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    shpoks wrote: »
    I don't believe so in this particular case, because we had a dev. come in and precisely state that what's going on is unintended and that they weren't messing with the XP gains in yesterday's patch. If it was what you assume it was, they'd just remain silent on the issue like with other issues.

    Sorry Shpoks, but I don't exactly trust what they're saying.

    When you look at the grand scheme of things to occur since DR released, only one word stands out:

    NERF

    This "unintentional" effect on DOFFing falls inline with everything Cryptic's done since DR.
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