With all of the known bugs that are plaguing STO since the launch of DR, with the Katrina-sized debacle and backlash over the exploit issue in Tau Dewa, with the rollbacks, nerfs and whatnot what chance does STO have of recovering to a pre-DR point? Even if they did, would it be enough?
It seems the real issues are stacking up while, for the most part, communication and dev support is down. Tacofangs was on earlier and shared what info he could. It wasnt much, but at least it was something. With Smirk on vacation, it seems that the bug-squashing duties have fallen to the waste side; most devs have their own projects to concentrate on and Cryptic as a whole is more interested, it seems, in pushing new content than fixing the existing errors. IN short, this business model is not working. Something has to change, and the sooner the better.
I can not speak for the entirety of the player base, nor do I attempt to do so, but I think many will agree with me when I say: dont worry about pushing new content. Let us digest this and even feed on the old content while you fix the bugs and issues currently in the game. If that means that new content isnt released until the next summer event of 2015, so be it. Who can enjoy a winter event with the crash bugs that are sending people randomly to their desktops or the massive lag spikes?
Youve known about many of these bugs since Tribble. Youve had time to focus on them prior to launch. If I hired a company to, as an example, create a website for my business and they rushed to put out a glitch, shoddy site, Id consider suing them to withhold payment if they were unwilling to communicate or resolve the issue quickly. Yes, we know that all bugs cant just be fixed in a day. We dont expect them to be. We DO expect a steady stream of communication and assurance these issues are being addressed. We expect that more than one individual is working on these bugs and the rest of the team isnt locked into side projects. If its broken, its broken. If things are going to be delayed, theyll be delayed but FFS tell us about it.
If you cant manage that then, without laying blame on individual names, consider giving STO to someone who can manage these tasks in a timely manner.
Will the players recover? Probably. After all, we, like PWE, have more than one game to involve ourselves in. Will STO recover? Thats an entirely different question, dont you think?
I agree. No new content please. Let me catch up. :cool:
I would rather watch this game burn and fail so that eventually a GOOD Star Trek game can emerge not handled by a team that cant even make a title succeed unless it has a famous IP attached to it.
History of terrible programming and failure, lack of communication and condescending attitude towards their cash farm.
So yeah, I HOPE STO fails, so another company can come fill the gap and make something BETTER with all the new technology out there.
This entire post is pure insanity. Why on earth are you sitting here posting here if you feel that way? What a waste of energy.
STO has seen far, FAR more dire days. When was that?
2010. STO's release. Many out there have absolutely no clue how bad STO was at release. And the problem only multiplied if you were playing KDF at the time. It was that bad.
And here's STO still at 2014, almost going into 2015.
Reports of the game's demise were, and still are, greatly exaggerated.
Thats because the games design left people with hope it could change.
The new design erradicates hope, unless you have a big wallet because hope now has a $.
Thats because the games design left people with hope it could change.
The new design erradicates hope, unless you have a big wallet because hope now has a $.
Trust me when I say there wasn't much hope in those early days. And again, most esp so on the KDF side of things. You're seeing things from more recent eyes. You weren't there at the beginning :cool:
Example: For the KDF, to level, you only had 2 viably good ways. PVE missions were almost nonexistent for the KDF.
PVP all the time at every level (because at the time, there was PVP going from T1 to the Level max of 40 at the time).
Run "Empire Defense" missions to infinity.
Care to wager which route the KDF playerbase did? It's the reason why KDF players on average for so long were more savvy in PVP
So much drama this is better than the game at times.
This entire post is pure insanity. Why on earth are you sitting here posting here if you feel that way? What a waste of energy.
Somehow I can only agree. Debates about what makes a good ST game is one thing, and can even go into the angle of 'gameplay should be fun vs. gameplay should reflect ST' - but by no means is STO's existence a stain on ST, even if you hate it. It's only semi-canon for crying out loud, like the books - it's basically a what-if extension of the prime ST, but separate at the same time.
If you like it, you like it. If you don't, then you don't.
Was named Trek17.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
the biggest threat to this game is ED and SC, both are going to soak up a lot of space-shooter players
Problem is: both SC and ED are twitch combat, space dogfight sim for very young people with a hint of ADHD. Us older folks prefer a more relaxed, laid back style combat. This game is Star Trek and even if you just play it casually you can progress your toons. This is not available in neither SC nor ED.
There's nothing to recover from. You're not entitled to anything more than what you're provided, sans what you purchase.
Who said anything about entitlement?
Look, it's the first thing in the morning here and I am getting ready for work, so forgive me if I don't reiterate the point and ask you read the post again before making wild assumptions.
I honestly don't care whether or not "we" recover. It's a freaking video game, people. Have some perspective. I enjoy playing STO but I wouldn't lose any sleep if the game were to close tomorrow. There are plenty of other games to play.
If only people responded to sports people the way sto fanbois berate them here the world would instantly be a better place.
"Dude it's just sports, chill."
But for those people it's more than just sports.
Please stop denigrating people for expressing concern. If it's just a game for you then just stfu and let players talk.
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But they also have their place to say 'you're taking this too seriously', if they believe it sounds like that for some. Plus it's their right to say so, really.
Was named Trek17.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
The 300 second post timer is a *very* bad sign. That's desperation right there
Even if intentional, it won't be that big of a deal - plus it might help prevent the infusion of multiple threads for the same issue, and instead concentrate it into one/few.
And yes, I have run into it myself before I said the above.
Was named Trek17.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
As of yet the history during f2p has been no matter what their profit has gone up.
Through 2½ years of nerfs of litterly everything in the game - straight up features players were using and enjoying like mirror event, tour the galaxy and exploration, they have continued to profit and the star trek fans and the whales have accepted anything and everything.
I don't see a scenario in which that stops.
Even with half dead queues and 200% reduction in dil it's not really a problem.
Call it player amnesia or whatever but anyone coming into the game now or after a nerf doesn't know any better.
One day new people playing eSTF for 30 dil I see that happening easy
At the end of the day it's a star trek game and it's free.
So as much as the game is at an ultimate low, in neck deep, I am not at all worried about the profit side
Good gameplay and new or amount of content seem to be totally un-related to profit
Well, Cryptic did manage a back-door way to reduce lag in the social zones; there were so few players online early this morning in DS9, I had no lag at all. Usually, the place is teeming with all those pesky low-budget computer players, who lag the servers with their dial-up connections...
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Seriously you need to question your own sanity before calling mine out.
Not that easy to bait , nice try though. You'll have to explain what you mean in more detail as I haven't a clue. I am feeding off of forum drama how? By asking you to stop? To try something more constructive? Makes sense, no wait, it doesn't.
You hate STO great, wonderful you wish it would end fantastic, and you're here on the forum telling everyone that. Why? Why are you not doing something you'd like doing more. If all you are doing is spreading misery you're beating your head against a wall.
I honestly don't care whether or not "we" recover. It's a freaking video game, people. Have some perspective. I enjoy playing STO but I wouldn't lose any sleep if the game were to close tomorrow. There are plenty of other games to play.
Probably will be true..and STO won't recover from this one. Some care more than others but you are right after all is only a game. However, PWE making tons of money out of this game....regardless of what the playerbase thinks
1) The fact that Stephen D'Angelo (current STO EP) made what was only his second post to the forums (the first being his announcement to the playerbase that he was again taking the STO EP position) is probably the ONLY public acknowledgement Cryptic will make on the subject.
2) As for "never doing it again" -- hahahahahaha! The next time they have a major programming screwup (and I will not say IF, as with their history, it's just a matter of time before they do something similar again); they'll do whatever they feel is required, and hope it doesn't cause a mass exodus of players to the point PWE decides to sunset the game.
Personally, I think this is probably the worst overall screwup Cryptic has made (in terms of forward facing PR) with STO - and again, given the development history of STO, that's saying a lot for just how bad this all was handled. That said, overall, the player response on the forums is nowhere near the level it was when the Season 7 Dill reward reductions happened (a reaction so large and widespread amongst STO players that they reversed said changes in about 24 hours.)
With season 7 we still cared for this game, now we just leave...
I'm sure the game is doing just fine. This will all blow over just like every other brush with the players. Most will adjust their tactics and continue on and new people will of course start playing a F2P game. Old players will come back to see what the expansion is about and many folks that just do the events will start the winter event in another month.
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I like playing sto on and off but i won't be putting my hand into my wallet again for these people, its an rip off that they increase the zen prices on the new T6 ships and at the same time reducing the dill rewards. Way to go clap clap clap :rolleyes:
I'm sure the game is doing just fine. This will all blow over just like every other brush with the players. Most will adjust their tactics and continue on and new people will of course start playing a F2P game. Old players will come back to see what the expansion is about and many folks that just do the events will start the winter event in another month.
I am also sure that a lot of dissapointed players like me will continue to play a little (or at least dualbox it with TOR, WOW etc) for free, too outraged to spend one cent, but enjoying the game enough not to quit.
STO still has a pretty unique space combat system that can be fun on normal setting.
Let us wear Swimsuits on Foundry maps or bridges please! I would pay zen for that.
This is nothing new. The forums are on a six month cycle of these blowups. Its happened a dozen times since Beta. STF-exclusive gear was going to 'kill the game' because it was elitist and most players were casual. The Foundry was going to 'kill the game' because it was going to be exploited by everyone and all the dev effort was going to go into expanding the Foundry rather than new content. Going f2p was going to 'kill the game'....all the devs were going to leave for Neverwinter and 'kill the game'...etc. etc. etc.
You always have a certain percentage of your customers who get disgruntled by any change (or by lack of change) and an even smaller minority of them who are going to be vocal about it. The vast majority of players don't read the forums. Even a smaller minority of those are actually moved to post. Those who post are mostly the ones who have complaints and usually the ones who are most upset, because everyone else would rather play the game than read threads. Its a really horrible way to judge the state of the game.
Because Star Trek fans are particularly passionate, these forums tend to be likewise. I have, during several of the above mentioned 'crises' suggested that Cryptic should just close down the Forums entirely, as they were doing more harm than good.
This is nothing new. The forums are on a six month cycle of these blowups. Its happened a dozen times since Beta.
Oh man...remember the incandescent forum rage when we learned that the Romulans weren't going to be a full independent faction? It was nuclear. THAT was definitely going to END STO, according to some.
Oh man...remember the incandescent forum rage when we learned that the Romulans weren't going to be a full independent faction? It was nuclear. THAT was definitely going to END STO, according to some.
I remember a few people quitting because it was too much of a change from Star Trek lore for them to stay around, but I dont remember anybody saying it would kill the game.
Vs this time where people are leaving in large numbers because of multiple factors--prior purchases obsoleted, STF difficulty vs reward changes, being called a cheater by the EP, just a few of the things.
I originally said that we would recover, but I have changed my mind. There is no recovering from making the Talaxian race a LTS exclusive race. Talaxian should have been made a free race like the Pakleds and Rigelians.
Thats because the games design left people with hope it could change.
The new design erradicates hope, unless you have a big wallet because hope now has a $.
This is the well-known side effect of Free-To-Play. In the good old days you would pay a monthly fee and if enough people were paying for the company to make a profit then new updated would come out on a regular basis. Ah EQ! ****! How I miss you.
We all knew this was going to happen. People want everything for free these days. You can't run a company without money. It has to come from somewhere.
Thank you for the retraction. I hope you will realize that casually referencing an event where people died by the thousands and people lost everything is not cool. If you wouldn't say "this is like 9/11", then please don't say things are like Katrina unless they also involve catastrophic loss of life.
You must be trolling, if not you are one of the most mentally unbalanced individuals I've yet to run across on this or any forum and that is saying quite a lot. What part of people died by the thousands do you fail to understand? What part of losing family, friends, a home, your job, and everything you own to be left with nothing do you not understand? To compare that to a game is so far out of whack that you must be either trolling or deranged.
As to your f#cktarded "don't live there then!" argument, please feel free to submit your candidates for areas to live that are free of the risk of natural disaster, and pony up some funds for us all to move there. If you can't or won't, I will continue to be convinced that you are trolling, deranged, or both.
Option I pick is....Deranged. because I'm completely Serious and honest when I say I have zero sympathy and I believe your using your disaster as a crutch, and are scolding people to make yourself feel better and to gather sympathy.
I understand people died by the thousands. I also understand there is too many people o.o, and honestly the way most of you live your life reactivly and garner no purpose to it beyond endless consumption and endless reproduction... don't see much of a loss.
Just like 9/11 seems like a igniting cause...but thats just because media spin. Did you know Deer kill more people every decade then any terrorist group could have hoped to achieve? and we have plenty of terrorists right here in the united states, we don't have to travel the world to find them. Organized crime suppresses the masses with fear and extortion, enforced slavery, and corrupts society.
At any rate I'm a real thinking *deranged* human being who is conscious and I make up my mind...even if its outside the accepted normal.
I believe STO should recover, and disagree with it dying whole heartedly.
It still is in the top 10 space games I've ever played.
They bring in new interesting stuff all the time... but guys... I cannot ignore the elephant in the room... The errors in programing are getting bad, and now they are multiplying... like really really badly x.x
I realize this is supposed to be a DOOM THREAD basically... but honestly I like delta rising quite a bit. and find myself struggling to adapt. which is a far cry from the previous snore fest we've had for a long long time.
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I agree. No new content please. Let me catch up. :cool:
This entire post is pure insanity. Why on earth are you sitting here posting here if you feel that way? What a waste of energy.
Thats because the games design left people with hope it could change.
The new design erradicates hope, unless you have a big wallet because hope now has a $.
Trust me when I say there wasn't much hope in those early days. And again, most esp so on the KDF side of things. You're seeing things from more recent eyes. You weren't there at the beginning :cool:
Example: For the KDF, to level, you only had 2 viably good ways. PVE missions were almost nonexistent for the KDF.
PVP all the time at every level (because at the time, there was PVP going from T1 to the Level max of 40 at the time).
Run "Empire Defense" missions to infinity.
Care to wager which route the KDF playerbase did? It's the reason why KDF players on average for so long were more savvy in PVP
If you like it, you like it. If you don't, then you don't.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Says the guy who feeds off forum drama?
Seriously you need to question your own sanity before calling mine out.
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Problem is: both SC and ED are twitch combat, space dogfight sim for very young people with a hint of ADHD. Us older folks prefer a more relaxed, laid back style combat. This game is Star Trek and even if you just play it casually you can progress your toons. This is not available in neither SC nor ED.
So we stay.
Who said anything about entitlement?
Look, it's the first thing in the morning here and I am getting ready for work, so forgive me if I don't reiterate the point and ask you read the post again before making wild assumptions.
"Dude it's just sports, chill."
But for those people it's more than just sports.
Please stop denigrating people for expressing concern. If it's just a game for you then just stfu and let players talk.
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Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
I'm sure they'll recover, but it is insane to think a bug that's been fixed once comes back repeatedly with each new 'update'.
And yes, I have run into it myself before I said the above.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Through 2½ years of nerfs of litterly everything in the game - straight up features players were using and enjoying like mirror event, tour the galaxy and exploration, they have continued to profit and the star trek fans and the whales have accepted anything and everything.
I don't see a scenario in which that stops.
Even with half dead queues and 200% reduction in dil it's not really a problem.
Call it player amnesia or whatever but anyone coming into the game now or after a nerf doesn't know any better.
One day new people playing eSTF for 30 dil I see that happening easy
At the end of the day it's a star trek game and it's free.
So as much as the game is at an ultimate low, in neck deep, I am not at all worried about the profit side
Good gameplay and new or amount of content seem to be totally un-related to profit
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Not that easy to bait
You hate STO great, wonderful you wish it would end fantastic, and you're here on the forum telling everyone that. Why? Why are you not doing something you'd like doing more. If all you are doing is spreading misery you're beating your head against a wall.
Probably will be true..and STO won't recover from this one. Some care more than others but you are right after all is only a game. However, PWE making tons of money out of this game....regardless of what the playerbase thinks
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I am also sure that a lot of dissapointed players like me will continue to play a little (or at least dualbox it with TOR, WOW etc) for free, too outraged to spend one cent, but enjoying the game enough not to quit.
STO still has a pretty unique space combat system that can be fun on normal setting.
You always have a certain percentage of your customers who get disgruntled by any change (or by lack of change) and an even smaller minority of them who are going to be vocal about it. The vast majority of players don't read the forums. Even a smaller minority of those are actually moved to post. Those who post are mostly the ones who have complaints and usually the ones who are most upset, because everyone else would rather play the game than read threads. Its a really horrible way to judge the state of the game.
Because Star Trek fans are particularly passionate, these forums tend to be likewise. I have, during several of the above mentioned 'crises' suggested that Cryptic should just close down the Forums entirely, as they were doing more harm than good.
Oh man...remember the incandescent forum rage when we learned that the Romulans weren't going to be a full independent faction? It was nuclear. THAT was definitely going to END STO, according to some.
I remember a few people quitting because it was too much of a change from Star Trek lore for them to stay around, but I dont remember anybody saying it would kill the game.
Vs this time where people are leaving in large numbers because of multiple factors--prior purchases obsoleted, STF difficulty vs reward changes, being called a cheater by the EP, just a few of the things.
This is the well-known side effect of Free-To-Play. In the good old days you would pay a monthly fee and if enough people were paying for the company to make a profit then new updated would come out on a regular basis. Ah EQ! ****! How I miss you.
We all knew this was going to happen. People want everything for free these days. You can't run a company without money. It has to come from somewhere.
Option I pick is....Deranged. because I'm completely Serious and honest when I say I have zero sympathy and I believe your using your disaster as a crutch, and are scolding people to make yourself feel better and to gather sympathy.
I understand people died by the thousands. I also understand there is too many people o.o, and honestly the way most of you live your life reactivly and garner no purpose to it beyond endless consumption and endless reproduction... don't see much of a loss.
Just like 9/11 seems like a igniting cause...but thats just because media spin. Did you know Deer kill more people every decade then any terrorist group could have hoped to achieve? and we have plenty of terrorists right here in the united states, we don't have to travel the world to find them. Organized crime suppresses the masses with fear and extortion, enforced slavery, and corrupts society.
At any rate I'm a real thinking *deranged* human being who is conscious and I make up my mind...even if its outside the accepted normal.
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I believe STO should recover, and disagree with it dying whole heartedly.
It still is in the top 10 space games I've ever played.
They bring in new interesting stuff all the time... but guys... I cannot ignore the elephant in the room... The errors in programing are getting bad, and now they are multiplying... like really really badly x.x
I realize this is supposed to be a DOOM THREAD basically... but honestly I like delta rising quite a bit. and find myself struggling to adapt. which is a far cry from the previous snore fest we've had for a long long time.