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shinnok918
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I dont know about you guys but i think we all need to boycott the "new and more fun" advanced mode. new, yes. More fun, no. advanced was supposed to be the old elite, but instead its now so hard its not fun anymore. most infected conduits are fails because without at least 2 players running grav wells and using them properly it fails. im going to use dyson ground for what i used to use infected conduit and khitomer vortex for. i wonder if probes in khitomer will now be spheres that will one shot the vortex defenders on their way through. thanks cryptic. "Advanced" mode is a massive fail.
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if you feel advanced is too difficult, then you are doing it wrong...
Simply advanced stfs require coordination, "know how" and some dps (but not so much dps). You have to know what to do, when to do and how to do... Ex. in a isa when the first nanite generator explode, then your priority is destroy all of then and immediatelly start destroying the nanite transformer, no matter if spheres are firing you... you have to tank them while firing the transformer as much and as fast as possible. If you can't tank spheres for a while, then your build is not good enough.
Of course there are several strategies to complete the mission and you should know them. Once there was the "10% rule", always usefull if your team is not a master of dps and crowd control. Ex the "10% rule" applied in a isa says: "first destroy the cube, then start to fire nanite generators... but do not destroy none of them untill all of them are at 10% of their HP. When all of the nanite generators are at 10% then destroy them all at the same time"
And you do not need two players with GW... one good player who know how to do crowd control is enough: a build with 2xGW, thetavent beta radiation and TBR (in case of emergency)... it's much more then enough!
Playing STO spamming FAW is like playing chess using always the computer's suggested moves
Grps were cruisers without even sci vessels, so if there were some escorts and if i upgrade to ultra rare or epic it will take same time as old times maybe even faster.
im not saying every advanced is perfect right now, because some are still too easy and some are still too hard but they should represent somewhat of a challenge and players should learn how to play them through walkthroughs, asking questions and experience and not just expect to sleep their way through them. players need to readjust their approach to these missions because its been easy street for far too long.
having a game be too easy, especially as our characters are only going to get stronger with more levels, equipment, specializations traits etc, can be just as damaging as being too hard.
With that in mind, IMHO, people had gotten spoiled by that. Not only that, they had gotten sloppy even in premades for PVE instances due to the sheer, overwhelming firepower of player ships and the fragility of NPCs. Scimitars tackling an entire wing of CSE alone, for example.
A few cycles of BFAW alone is not enough to ensure victory anymore.
It's a bit rough even in Advanced right now, but I do believe people will get their **** together again and learn to coordinate. People will see more what has to be done.
BFAW is almost a liability nowadays. Have been in ISA which failed because someone popped a generator before the cube was even down.
With a team that pays attention the queues aren't particularly difficult though, but people have to relearn skills.
E.g. a Bug Hunt Advanced i did today had no less than 3 people who did not know how to heal injuries while number 4 was stuck on a ledge and could not move.
you should be able of do 10k dps with any t5u ship in the game with little to non effort. Ship is not an excuse, at least not for advanced, i can parse over 25k dps with the free chel-greet from the winter event lol
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Until that gets fixed I'll skip playing Space combat and play only Ground combat. Easy enough to do and shows the devs how much I hate the new queues in space. I'm all for more difficulty, but giving NPCs stupid high hull/shield numbers is not the way to do it.
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Not everyone uses a tactical captain with a max space skill spec, all space traits, and a pure beam/cannon energy weapon build. Some of us use min specced space characters, with no space traits, and projectile weapons on a science vessel. Tractor Beam Repulsor builds aren't nearly as great when on a min-specced character.
Unfortunately Cryptic has decided to focus their PvE content toward the people that exploit stacked Attack Pattern Beta. Rather than giving NPCs Tactical Team and other counters we now have absurdly high hull/shields to burn through against NPCs that can't kill anyone. Thus all of space PvE is highly unenjoyable.
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Don't feel bad, I'm also boycotting them. I was accused of being a noob in open forum for not having enough DPS to make a huge dent in the new advanced even tho I'm a crowd control specialist. What used to be a mediocre challenge in the old elites I've now resorted to doing Normals for 3 minutes of sheer bordom per stf.
I think I did one CSN yesterday that was under 2 minutes.
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Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
With that being said, I wish the NPCs had better AI on harder difficulties rather than just being damage sponges.
Also, I am not using energy weapons, my ships are using torpedoes and they seem pretty useless in the new pve stuff.
Even on ground those timers are TRIBBLE. Most games beside KAGA are failing. I have no fun playing in those tick-tak races.
Make npc to use abilities or this is bs.
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If you're not even going to bother to put in space traits, which are completely free, you really have no room to complain about space being too hard when it's not on Normal. :rolleyes:
That's a crazy generalization: how do you know the other players were under-geared?
Frankly, I think part of the blame for the current mess is the players incessant need to play the game quickly with little effort. You know, high DPS = quick kills. How to make the game more challenging is to make the quick kill go away through higher HP.
You don't do Ground PvP, do you. How would you like to have to change your traits every time you wish to switch from doing space PvE to ground PvP? It takes 49 clicks one way to change from an all ground to all space setup. Traits make a difference, but the hassle of switching back and forth and back and forth is not worth it.
Additionally, you need to learn to read. I realize reading comprehension is a difficult skill for some, but make sure you understand what you have read before you make ignorant comments.
I said that Advanced and Elite Space PvE is TEDIOUS. Tedious, as defined by Wiktionary is boring, monotonous, time consuming, or wearisome. Right now Space PvE is so easy that a simple script could complete the content. Everything is merely pounding upon high hull/shield enemies until they explode. This is not fun or difficult because there is no intellectual challenge in doing so.
I want Advanced and Elite to be extremely difficult and I want to be challenged. However, I do not want to fight NPCs that can't score kills and merely sit in place while I level their health bar to 0. There are plenty of flash games out there if I were looking to play a "lower the meter to 0" game. DPS races are tedious grinds that make Science Vessels and Healer Cruisers obsolete. The current Advanced/Elite meta supports team wide abuse of stacked Attack Pattern Beta and does nothing for non-pure damage builds. Take away Attack Pattern Beta and all of those 20k+ DPS builds suddenly plummet back down to earth.
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loadouts? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Playing STO spamming FAW is like playing chess using always the computer's suggested moves
Don't make me laugh. Loadouts have been out for months and they still don't work correctly with trait interactions.
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I do understand what you mean though... which is why I don't do Ground.
They gave us separate Space and Ground trait slots for the Reputation traits - they should do the same for normal traits. :mad:
It can be easy to tell if a player is under geared at times if you pay attention to players around you. As to the Dps statement it isn't that I was complaining about the harder to kill it is more of the fact that if 20k dps can not hardly kill... then 3 ppl that do about 6k dps which is about a new player dps in fresh gear would have the same problem. Now give them not just one target but 3-5 targets. I am all for hard elites but you need to be able to progress smoothly (not quickly) from norm to advanced.
Frankly I use them and I never had trouble with them
Playing STO spamming FAW is like playing chess using always the computer's suggested moves
Before DR, a good player could compensate for 2 unskilled/uninformed people, this aint happening anymore.
right now, a 12k dps build and knowing "what to do" is all you need to complete most advanced STFs...it is not asked too much for people that intend to queue advanced difficulty.
But most people don't give a **** and join the queue anyway and out of 5 people in the grp, 2-3 actually try to complete the STF the rest is simply there doing nothing, or are actively trying to fail the objectives by blowing up generators prematurely or NOT shooting at the transformers when needed in the case of ISA.
So, the increased difficulty only revealed what was a problem with pugs long before DR, ignorant players joining advanced difficulty queues.
So yeah, i boycott pugs for now, and join one of the elite stf channels, since there are people that actually want to improve and finish an STF.
They will not. They will just not do it.
The problem with advanced that I see is that it is too much of a step up from normal. Normal is super easy (as it should be) and therefore you can win without knowing what you are doing. In advanced you can loose even though you did everything right but your setup is just no up to it.
If I had something to say I would increase damage in STFs by 100% and decrease HP, especially shields by a large amount. Perhaps this way tanks and cc become more popular.
Anyway it will take at least until Easter before anything happens, so I guess for now we will have to live with it.
Time will only tell!