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Why must I aid the Kobali? *SPOILERS*
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I do not like that I am forced to aid the Kobali; whether or not the Vaadwaur are evil space TRIBBLE, the fact remains that the Kobali have a temple full of living Vaadwaur in stasis tube being held hostage, and Starfleet seems to think that's just fine. Well I object. Taking civilian hostages is against the Fourth Geneva Convention and the UN Hostages Convention (and presumably some future Federation Hostages Convention); I'm all for peacekeeping, but I've been ordered to take an active side in an unjust war.
Yeah, the Vaadwaur aren't all smiles and sunshine, but the Kobali aren't exactly an innocent party either :mad:
EDIT: And for the record, I don't give a damn about the Kobali re-purposing corpses, that's more or less fine by me; but it's not the issue I'm debating.
Yeah, the Vaadwaur aren't all smiles and sunshine, but the Kobali aren't exactly an innocent party either :mad:
EDIT: And for the record, I don't give a damn about the Kobali re-purposing corpses, that's more or less fine by me; but it's not the issue I'm debating.
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To be fair at the end of that story they've said they have no intention of harming any of them and are only holding on to them becuase the current war makes giving them back to the Vaadwuar problematic what with the whole shooting at them on sight.
I guess Eldex will bolster the number of his new Supremacy with them, joining the Alliance against the Iconians and the Parasites.
Same for me, except I do care about them re-purposing dead bodies without permission. But that really this is all par for the course, the federation is often portrayed as going out of its way to let others walk over them for the sake of the prime directive, which is not even a law, just a guideline! I blame it to poor unimaginative writing.
I am doing the kobali ground zone for the equipment upgrade tokens but it leaves a sour taste in my mouth. It could´ve been something interesting if they at least let you change some things by giving you dialog choice and options but no..... We have to stand by when the blue fish lady tells Harry Kim to shut it, even though he was right.
I feel the need to point out that the Prime Directive is a law (albeit martial rather than civilian, so I suppose civilian support personnel technically aren't bound by it); it's Starfleet General Order 01, to break it is punishable by court martial.
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And that help request is also why we must
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Also, ever notice that Hanchon Jetanian seems to have a serious cell phone addiction? Guy is on it constantly.
I lol'ed when the MACO Captain went "Prime directive!" mode on Kim... If we're following the prime directive, we should leave the Kobali to Vaadwaur. ( lazy, lazy oversight Cryptic )
Personally, I hold the issue with re-puprosing corpses. I'd be no less outraged than the Vaadwaur are. Let's be fair here, it's dishonour to their dead, in the way the view it. I couldn't give a damn how Kobali see it, zombies don't talk, they die.
Personally, I'd side with the Vaadwaur, if they didn't have the bugging issue... Plus their uniform is... ****ING AWESOME. I hope it's in the next lockbox.
In the end, it's pretty funny, I was always laughing at the (WARLORD) Janeway and viewed her as incompetent... but personally now, I have more of a "Nuke them from orbit" approach myself.
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We weren't shown how we got sucked into the war itself.
HOWEVER.
The Prime Directive is primarily to protect less developed species, if a warp capable species sends out a distress call Starfleet officers CAN and usually do (Because responding to an immediate cry for help is one of the few things to circumvent the Prime Directive) go to help.
Not the first time a Space Faring Race asked for the Federations help and was denied on grounds of interfering. While Picard got involved with the Klingons. He did so by skirting the Prime Directive rather then actually confronting the issue head on. Had he done it any other way he would of been breaking the Prime Directive.
I'd probably take both sides, corral them as best I could, point thalaron weapons at them and say "Stop fighting immediately, Kobali give the Vaadwaur back their people, Vaadwaur stop using genocide weapons on the Kobali, or we shoot."
The Kobali are sanctimonious hypocrites with no respect for other people's cultures. The Vaadwaur are hyper-militarized racist fanatics.
Both sides are whiny playground bullies who need to be treated like children.
Quantum Duplicated harry kim would be interesting to find out more about in kobali storyline.
As for your issue of aiding them thats called immersive and engaging storytelling if you feel you are in the wrong and i applaude CRYPTIC/PWE for their work on that story.
We also follow the Janeway version of the famous opening lines. In this case:
Space: another frontier. These are the voyages of the starship [Insert Your Ship Name Here]. Its eternal mission: to re-explore established worlds, to "assist" existing life and civilizations, to mercilessly leave no opposition where they stood before.
"Assist" meaning to Annihilate, Subjugate, Interfere, Hijack, Assimilate (into Federation ranks), change the entire course of their history whether or not they want it, etc. May occasionally mean, "provide emergency food and supplies in the event of a natural disaster". But that particular definition is rare.
Our job on Kobali Prime is to keep potential allies from getting wiped out. Federation diplomats (or perhaps Captain Kim, since he is the liaison) would be working behind closed doors to get the matter of the sleeping Vaadwaur resolved peacefully (or as peacefully as it can be what with the war and all).
Since the Vaadwaur want to kill all the Kobali, regardless of whether they get their people from the Temple or not, taking their side is out of the question for Starfleet. No matter how messed up the whole thing is.
Something else that needs to be considered is that the Federation was responding to a call for aid, and even tries to negotiate peace with the Vaadwaur, who then use the negotiations as nothing but a ploy for their own ends...
Personal feelings aside about the Kobali culture, if it were any other faction within the Delta Quandrant, the Federation would be obliged to help them also...
It just so happens that the Prime Directive is actually what would prevent the Federation interfering with the Kobali's practice of reanimated the dead, it would not stop them providing aid in a war of annihilation however...
You also have to remember, the Kobali request the aid of the Alliance (as a whole) under false pretenses as they do not share the whole truth until after further investigation, and this is the Kobali's only wrong doing, not sharing the truth about the temple and why the Vaadwaur are laying siege to their city...
The Vaadwuar on the other hand, are at war with the entire quadrant, whether the Alliance aids the Kobali or not, the Vaadwuar are a threat to every species in the Delta Quadrant and would eventually force the Alliance into a full-blown confrontation through one means or another...
Tell that to Voyager's writers, not Cryptic.
Would be great if they can give players an option whether to fight for Kobali's or against them.
Would have been so much battling walking zombies...what you say it's STO for real...nahh after all we got reptiles shooting lasers from their heads already...so what gives?
I had no problem with the missions until I found out that the Kobali where keeping Vaadwaur citizens in the deep freeze alive or dead.
After finding that out, I was ready to switch sides and assist the Vaadwaur in the recovery of it's citizens. The Kobali may rely on dead bodies for there continued existence. But at what cost.
I know if I was a fallen Starfleet officer that died in the line of duty only to have my body re-animated so that a civilization can survive, I would be pissed!
I think the Kobali are no better than the Borg. They rely on assimilation and re-animation of another species so that they can survive. Yet while we despise the Borg for what they do. It seems to be ok to let the Kobali get away with it.
Glad it's just a game!
So you seek [condescending sounding] peaceful coexistence[/condescending sounding]?
This^^^
The federation seems to be a government filled with hipocracy allowing their vanguard aka starfleet to break the core principle and law of the federation the prim directive.
If this were real life i think there would be alot of court martials being held for the upper brass breaking the prime directive on a regular basis.
If the federation worked as it is written they would not allow starfleet to assist the kobali due to several matters such as the holding of hostages let alone the desacration of starfleet officers bodies.
i know the OP said we are not discusing the reurpose thang however i would think the federation would have a major issue with the kobali repurosing thier dead officers.
Tbh the prime directive doesnt work since both the federation and starfleet violate it on a regular basis so allying with the kobali even though they harbor hostages seems to be inline with federation and starfleet practices when concerning the prime directive
Meanwhile, the Parasite there was supposedly occupying its host's entire torso, leaving no room for the musculature needed to animate the body. It should have collapsed under the host's mass as soon as the intestines were consumed.
It probably doesn't help that the ones in the game are so big I have no idea how they fit in a body.