And then Delta Rising Gate happened. The EP of the game himself has the nerve to call us CHEATERS/EXPLOITERS when it was CLEARLY CRYPTICS fault for this fiasco! IF they didnt break everything else, If they had fixed this bug (that they knew about), it never would have happened. NO ONE would have been grinding Japori. PERIOD ! IT IS YOUR OWN FAULT !
You were leveling 17 TIMES FASTER THAN INTENDED! And I don't believe anybody saying they didn't know this was an exploit. You were cheating and got caught. Now accept your punishment.
My entire fleet is currently looking for a new mmo to play and I long for the day STAR TREK is in the hands of some one else, some one that won't blame the CUSTOMER for their oversight and blunder.
I find that very hard to believe. Once this "rage hysteria" has dissipated most of them will probably resume playing.
You were leveling 17 TIMES FASTER THAN INTENDED! And I don't believe anybody saying they didn't know this was an exploit. You were cheating and got caught. Now accept your punishment.
It was not CHEATING. They new it was working that way and decided to LEAVE it in when they went live. Ergo WORKING AS INTENDED. Check and Mate.
I suspect, for a lot of us, things do feel difficult and frustrating at the moment....
It struck me, during some patrol mission or other in the Delta sectors, when I was chipping away at a Talon battleship, and thinking to myself "blimey, since when were Talon battleships hard to kill?"
... and then I realized: they were hard to kill when I was levelling up. Before my character spent well over a year at the level cap, accumulated a pile of the best gear around, and got so she could swat any PvE challenge with a wave of her hand. "Talon battleship? Pshaw, barely worthy to die at my Mk XII Romulan Plasma Beams...."
And now, of course, I'm back to levelling up. I'm about where I was back in the dim distant days when I was a Rear Admiral, with some blue Mk XI gear, and a decent-but-not-great ship. I can't do the killing-with-a-wave-of-the-hand thing any more. It's gone, and I will have to work to get it back.
- which, of course, I will. My main toon is half-way through level 58 now, I have only one storyline mission left to go... the new level cap is in sight. After less than two weeks since the release of the expansion, mind. And I haven't been power-levelling, or anything like that... just, y'know, playing.
There will still be much grinding to be done, once the level cap is reached - there is equipment to gather, there will be new strategies to practice. But, soon enough, I will be back where I was, on top of the game.
Until then... it's going to seem frustrating and difficult at times. It's bound to. Stuff that was easy, now is hard again. (Possibly, in places, too hard - the difficulty curves still might need some fine tuning.) But, at the end of the process, my character will be even more super-duper than she was before, and I think I can cope with the frustration until that happens.
This is the way I feel about it, anyway. I don't doubt that others - the OP, for instance - disagree.
You were leveling 17 TIMES FASTER THAN INTENDED! And I don't believe anybody saying they didn't know this was an exploit. You were cheating and got caught. Now accept your punishment.
If it as an exploit it should have been fixed when LoR came out and made it this way. It's not new, people have been using it since LoR and data proved it.
The difference was now it messed with their internal numbers of ship traits and specilizations, and suddenly what almost a year later, it's suddenly and magically an exploit?
It was not CHEATING. They new it was working that way and decided to LEAVE it in when they went live. Ergo WORKING AS INTENDED. Check and Mate.
So every "bug" is something that Cryptic decides is Working as Intended? Code works in interesting ways and can result in much higher results than intended based on numerous variables. Cryptic might have known that Elite missions were given 5 times more XP than normal, but they probably had no clue about how players could get 17 times more XP than normal. Therefore, Cryptic had a specific release time for Delta Rising and couldn't delay it for whatever reason to fix various bugs. Cryptic has a priority list to deal with bugs and some bugs are more difficult to squash than others. So if Elites was giving just 5 times the normal XP, then they could have worked on other bugs. However, Elite giving 17 times the normal XP pushed it to the top of the list and had to be fixed ASAP. The fixed release date always results in the first month after a major release having a lot of fixes for the new content.
So every "bug" is something that Cryptic decides is Working as Intended?
Maybe, maybe not. However, this question is irrelevant.
If something is broken, fit it, and move on. What you don't do is Scatter Volley punishments around hoping that people will be happy about it.
I was not affected directly by this at all. Yet, I have been leveling up using doff assignments. I know that some of these doff missions give excellent XP... some of them have given 1,500 or even in one case, 3,000 XP.
Will I log in one day to find a "The Illustrious EP Has Spoken for a Third Time!" post, where I've lost half or all my leveling on the basis they've decided a week, two weeks, a month in that "Oh, we've decided we don't like that now" missive?
Or alternatively, will I log in one day and discover they've decided to up all the XP, and annoy all the people who worked hard to level up using really lousy XP rewards?
Or will they leave it alone?
By taking a retrograde action against a segment of players and in effect, punished them for finding a workaround, they have made it clear that anything we get (or don't) is really just a roll of the dice as to whether it will stay that way (or not), depending on the whim of the EP.
I cannot believe the diatribes written against what the OP wrote.
It's no wonder these forums are regarded as hostile.
It's an open letter from a player who is ALSO a customer! This was someone heavily invested in the game. They made the choice to pay; frankly, it's due to players (aka customers) like this that STO is still operating. This game doesn't run on charity; it's a business.
This isn't a case of ragequit. The OP lays it out; it's yet another case of people leaving STO over too many issues. Cryptic/PWE can choose to look at their stats/metrics and determine whether STO is truly hurting from people leaving, OR treat this as a wake-up/call to action.
Thank you, OP. Let's hope Cryptic/PWE gets a clue.
For all you guys thinking of quitting or taking a break, Their's a great emulator you could try called Earth & Beyond. Its an older space mmo from 2004. Just google it. I played it back in the day and its still a blast to play. Just a thought.
For all you guys thinking of quitting or taking a break, Their's a great emulator you could try called Earth & Beyond. Its an older space mmo from 2004. Just google it. I played it back in the day and its still a blast to play. Just a thought.
Did they ever get that emulator fully fleshed out?
Nitpicking is a time-honored tradition of science fiction. Asking your readers not to worry about the "little things" is like asking a dog not to sniff at people's crotches. If there's something that appears to violate natural laws, then you can expect someone's going to point it out. That's just the way things are.
I don't see any difference between using a term like Cryptic Apologists and using an ethnic slur. Both try to dehumanize a group of people by using a derogatory label. If your defence is I don't have to listen to what you say because you are a Cryptic Apologist, then your argument is non-existent.
Yes. Im sure anyone that has been at the receiving end of an ethnic slur will agree with you there. :rolleyes:
Trying to call parallels between me calling people out for what they are and a racist just means your argument is non-existent. Not the other way around.
Had you actually paid attention over this last week or so. Youd realize that everyone that isnt coming to Cryptics defense has put up plenty of well thought out and even pointed arguments against what has happened. And has made it extremely clear to Cryptic and their CDF over and over again why they are upset and why they have a right to be upset. But since the Apologists have taken to trolling threads and out right flamebaiting so they have an excuse to PM Askray. Childish behavior in itself. I see no point in taking them seriously. Or talking to them like adults.
So youre right. Im going to use a childish term for a childish bunch that I no longer have the interest in arguing with over something that I really dont need to argue with them over. But now that I know youll go as far as calling other posters the equivilant of racists. Ill ignore you as well and throw you in with the rest of the Apologists...Pathetic.
your choice you invested, you took the chance and thats not cryptics fault.
this looks suspiciously like another "i quit" thread, but i donno what the op's point was in all of that.
Typical apologist attitude. Is it so surprising in this day and age to expect a product to do what it claims its going to do that you scoff at people that dont get what they pay for
I don't mind having to grind levels or ship points or spec points. I like that for the future health of the game.
I do mind having everything I have worked for and Bought over the the last couple years be made obsolete. Like I said I have jumped through every hoop they put out for DR and I still feel like I m LT. again. Its also that I feel i was misled by the dev post and interviews. Perhaps I m wrong but I do not recall them saying the new "advanced", old "elite" would be this hard. On top of it the rewards went down. One last erk and then I m done. Did anyone else get the impression from the dev blog that the grapler gun would be an item we could get in game or was that just me? I was MAJORLY disapointed when it wasn't a reward or Item from a box or something. I was willing to tuff it out and be patient but and I m not quitting just need a break . Being called a cheater was to much IMHO
I guess I m Just Mad because I love this game and am really worried for its health after all of this.
Yes. Im sure anyone that has been at the receiving end of an ethnic slur will agree with you there. :rolleyes:
Trying to call parallels between me calling people out for what they are and a racist just means your argument is non-existent. Not the other way around.
Had you actually paid attention over this last week or so. Youd realize that everyone that isnt coming to Cryptics defense has put up plenty of well thought out and even pointed arguments against what has happened. And has made it extremely clear to Cryptic and their CDF over and over again why they are upset and why they have a right to be upset. But since the Apologists have taken to trolling threads and out right flamebaiting so they have an excuse to PM Askray. Childish behavior in itself. I see no point in taking them seriously. Or talking to them like adults.
So youre right. Im going to use a childish term for a childish bunch that I no longer have the interest in arguing with over something that I really dont need to argue with them over.
Using a derogatory label to define a specific group of people is the problem. It can be used to define a member of politics, race, religion, sexual preference, or fans of a particular IP. By using a derogatory label in an argument, you are attacking the person and not the argument.
You are not calling people for what they are. You are reducing people to just a derogatory label. If you label a person as a Cryptic Apologist, then there is no need to be consider any of the valid points they make.
I didn't mean to take it on you personally, but I just hate people using derogatory labels to define someone and this was the final straw.
Did they ever get that emulator fully fleshed out?
Yeah, it works pretty well and plays for the most part like the game did back in the day(plus they fully implemented the other classes, like Terran Scout and Jenquai Trader, that Westwood cut for release).
The problem, however, is that it plays like a game from a decade ago. Just navigating in space, and on ground/station feels clumsy and awkward - especially compared to STO. The Maelstrom is just as breathtaking as ever and space-mining still has its quirky charm/tension though.
Did anyone else get the impression from the dev blog that the grapler gun would be an item we could get in game or was that just me? I was MAJORLY disapointed when it wasn't a reward or Item from a box or something.
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I wasn't asking a question :rolleyes:
:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
You were leveling 17 TIMES FASTER THAN INTENDED! And I don't believe anybody saying they didn't know this was an exploit. You were cheating and got caught. Now accept your punishment.
It struck me, during some patrol mission or other in the Delta sectors, when I was chipping away at a Talon battleship, and thinking to myself "blimey, since when were Talon battleships hard to kill?"
... and then I realized: they were hard to kill when I was levelling up. Before my character spent well over a year at the level cap, accumulated a pile of the best gear around, and got so she could swat any PvE challenge with a wave of her hand. "Talon battleship? Pshaw, barely worthy to die at my Mk XII Romulan Plasma Beams...."
And now, of course, I'm back to levelling up. I'm about where I was back in the dim distant days when I was a Rear Admiral, with some blue Mk XI gear, and a decent-but-not-great ship. I can't do the killing-with-a-wave-of-the-hand thing any more. It's gone, and I will have to work to get it back.
- which, of course, I will. My main toon is half-way through level 58 now, I have only one storyline mission left to go... the new level cap is in sight. After less than two weeks since the release of the expansion, mind. And I haven't been power-levelling, or anything like that... just, y'know, playing.
There will still be much grinding to be done, once the level cap is reached - there is equipment to gather, there will be new strategies to practice. But, soon enough, I will be back where I was, on top of the game.
Until then... it's going to seem frustrating and difficult at times. It's bound to. Stuff that was easy, now is hard again. (Possibly, in places, too hard - the difficulty curves still might need some fine tuning.) But, at the end of the process, my character will be even more super-duper than she was before, and I think I can cope with the frustration until that happens.
This is the way I feel about it, anyway. I don't doubt that others - the OP, for instance - disagree.
If it as an exploit it should have been fixed when LoR came out and made it this way. It's not new, people have been using it since LoR and data proved it.
The difference was now it messed with their internal numbers of ship traits and specilizations, and suddenly what almost a year later, it's suddenly and magically an exploit?
So every "bug" is something that Cryptic decides is Working as Intended? Code works in interesting ways and can result in much higher results than intended based on numerous variables. Cryptic might have known that Elite missions were given 5 times more XP than normal, but they probably had no clue about how players could get 17 times more XP than normal. Therefore, Cryptic had a specific release time for Delta Rising and couldn't delay it for whatever reason to fix various bugs. Cryptic has a priority list to deal with bugs and some bugs are more difficult to squash than others. So if Elites was giving just 5 times the normal XP, then they could have worked on other bugs. However, Elite giving 17 times the normal XP pushed it to the top of the list and had to be fixed ASAP. The fixed release date always results in the first month after a major release having a lot of fixes for the new content.
Maybe, maybe not. However, this question is irrelevant.
If something is broken, fit it, and move on. What you don't do is Scatter Volley punishments around hoping that people will be happy about it.
I was not affected directly by this at all. Yet, I have been leveling up using doff assignments. I know that some of these doff missions give excellent XP... some of them have given 1,500 or even in one case, 3,000 XP.
Will I log in one day to find a "The Illustrious EP Has Spoken for a Third Time!" post, where I've lost half or all my leveling on the basis they've decided a week, two weeks, a month in that "Oh, we've decided we don't like that now" missive?
Or alternatively, will I log in one day and discover they've decided to up all the XP, and annoy all the people who worked hard to level up using really lousy XP rewards?
Or will they leave it alone?
By taking a retrograde action against a segment of players and in effect, punished them for finding a workaround, they have made it clear that anything we get (or don't) is really just a roll of the dice as to whether it will stay that way (or not), depending on the whim of the EP.
And that, right there, is the problem.
It's no wonder these forums are regarded as hostile.
It's an open letter from a player who is ALSO a customer! This was someone heavily invested in the game. They made the choice to pay; frankly, it's due to players (aka customers) like this that STO is still operating. This game doesn't run on charity; it's a business.
This isn't a case of ragequit. The OP lays it out; it's yet another case of people leaving STO over too many issues. Cryptic/PWE can choose to look at their stats/metrics and determine whether STO is truly hurting from people leaving, OR treat this as a wake-up/call to action.
Thank you, OP. Let's hope Cryptic/PWE gets a clue.
Did they ever get that emulator fully fleshed out?
Joined January 2009
Yes. Im sure anyone that has been at the receiving end of an ethnic slur will agree with you there. :rolleyes:
Trying to call parallels between me calling people out for what they are and a racist just means your argument is non-existent. Not the other way around.
Had you actually paid attention over this last week or so. Youd realize that everyone that isnt coming to Cryptics defense has put up plenty of well thought out and even pointed arguments against what has happened. And has made it extremely clear to Cryptic and their CDF over and over again why they are upset and why they have a right to be upset. But since the Apologists have taken to trolling threads and out right flamebaiting so they have an excuse to PM Askray. Childish behavior in itself. I see no point in taking them seriously. Or talking to them like adults.
So youre right. Im going to use a childish term for a childish bunch that I no longer have the interest in arguing with over something that I really dont need to argue with them over. But now that I know youll go as far as calling other posters the equivilant of racists. Ill ignore you as well and throw you in with the rest of the Apologists...Pathetic.
Typical apologist attitude. Is it so surprising in this day and age to expect a product to do what it claims its going to do that you scoff at people that dont get what they pay for
I do mind having everything I have worked for and Bought over the the last couple years be made obsolete. Like I said I have jumped through every hoop they put out for DR and I still feel like I m LT. again. Its also that I feel i was misled by the dev post and interviews. Perhaps I m wrong but I do not recall them saying the new "advanced", old "elite" would be this hard. On top of it the rewards went down. One last erk and then I m done. Did anyone else get the impression from the dev blog that the grapler gun would be an item we could get in game or was that just me? I was MAJORLY disapointed when it wasn't a reward or Item from a box or something. I was willing to tuff it out and be patient but and I m not quitting just need a break . Being called a cheater was to much IMHO
I guess I m Just Mad because I love this game and am really worried for its health after all of this.
Using a derogatory label to define a specific group of people is the problem. It can be used to define a member of politics, race, religion, sexual preference, or fans of a particular IP. By using a derogatory label in an argument, you are attacking the person and not the argument.
You are not calling people for what they are. You are reducing people to just a derogatory label. If you label a person as a Cryptic Apologist, then there is no need to be consider any of the valid points they make.
I didn't mean to take it on you personally, but I just hate people using derogatory labels to define someone and this was the final straw.
Actual join date: Open beta, 2009ish.
At least it is a lot healthier than most addictions.
Yeah, it works pretty well and plays for the most part like the game did back in the day(plus they fully implemented the other classes, like Terran Scout and Jenquai Trader, that Westwood cut for release).
The problem, however, is that it plays like a game from a decade ago. Just navigating in space, and on ground/station feels clumsy and awkward - especially compared to STO. The Maelstrom is just as breathtaking as ever and space-mining still has its quirky charm/tension though.
Any thoughts?