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catstarsto
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Given the circumstances the current player must face, the denied freedoms, the removal of the relevant content and the usury and discarding of its officers to make a fast dollar...
let me reintroduce everyone to the philosophy and storylines that brought us to the game. Share your favorite moments and thoughts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xh_t2fFF3B0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk6Y79vduEE
let me reintroduce everyone to the philosophy and storylines that brought us to the game. Share your favorite moments and thoughts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xh_t2fFF3B0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk6Y79vduEE
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A thread about Klingon philosophy is a great idea! What would orions need to discuss, its bikini clad women....:D
Really? Next you'll be yelling the Red Coats are coming...
Despite the rhetoric being shown by some, Cryptic are not some government or tyrant that needs to be overthrown, they're a games developer who has decided to make changes to their game, which some find unpopular, whilst many (I would dare say most as I'm yet to see an exodus of players) don't seem to be bothered...
When did this TRIBBLE start to turn into a political movement for the vocal minority?
Get a frikken grip already, please..
Sorry, saw the title and that was enough for me to close it back down...
The concept of 'You Only Live Once' has been warped from representing the notion of experiencing something out of the ordinary, because 'you only live once', to being used to justify gratuitous acts of general stupidity...
I held Cryptic blameless until Geko opened his mouth and took down the veil of " we appreciate our customers" ...but im warning about PWE, they are tyrants and only see us as numbers on a marketing report not people.....and whats it to u if i wanna RP it out like the Maquis resistance, i might as well have fun on the forums with it since i cant in game.
I won't deny that Gecko has indeed demonstrated very poor customer relations previously and in fact some of my first posts were admonishing his behaviour at the time...
However I see little point holding onto this like a stone around my neck, as he has demonstrated a far better attitude towards the player base since, so am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt... People deserve second chances - no doubt you have done stupid things which you later regret, should you be held accountable until the zombie apocalypse?
I do believe, that he believes, the changes to STO which his team are making are in the best long-term interests of STO itself, and until I see something which clearly demonstrates otherwise, I am willing to watch and see what transpires...
If this is an RP thing, then there is a section for that... Otherwise, you should have anticipated people to take your post at face value, and respond accordingly...
Good luck with that.
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I've never denied that Cryptic has it's faults - there is a difference between acceptance of change and understanding that problems can arise, and thinking everything is 'fine and dandy' - however I see no point in dwelling on remarks that were said months ago, when he has since demonstrated a better attitude regarding the player base...
I am pragmatic enough to accept that, in short, **** happens and far more often than any of us would like...
I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and a second chance, he has yet to say anything recently which has given me reason to change this attitude... Whether he is sincere or not, he is the only person who knows this for sure, so until I have reason to suspect otherwise, he gets the benefit of the doubt from me...
As I said, I do firmly believe that everyone deserves a second chance, as everyone does things which they later regret...
To put this into another context, the posts that you are referring to were in fact the result of an extremely severe migraine and medication - you can take that at face value as the truth, or that I'm making excuses, either way, I don't really care... Looking back now in hindsight, I should never have gone near the forums in the state I was in, but it's happened now, so be it...
i was also referring to his video chats... how did he had room to laugh at us, how many years...seasons, bug reports has he been given....dont add the next layer until u smoothed out the first or it will define the imperfections even more with each coat. But i still put the blame to PWE for turning what could have been the best mmo into a generic slot machine and grinding sty
...and i keep bringing it up because money was involved...if u order a sports model and they come along and give u a Griswold family truckster...why should we just quietly eat it? if i was f2p or didnt spend much moey on em it wouldnt make as big a deal to me....but i admit the the fact they ignored all my bug reorts and and pleas for help and to take back nerfs had left me bitter and clinical towards them. i was cheated like many others.
Well, this could indeed be a basis for our differing 'thresholds for tolerance' as I do not consider myself specifically a Star Trek fan, any more than I do a general Sci-Fi fan...
I was always a bigger fan of BSG (both the original series and the reboot) and Babylon 5, than I was ever of Star Trek... I've also played many different MMO's, and STO is actually not the worst I have played, for either stability or general polish and quality...
As I said, it definitely has it's faults and I will not deny that, I just don't feel that alot of the flack that Cryptic receives is warranted, and some of it is well beyond anything that can be considered reasonable...
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Point of reference regarding the unreasonableness of the playerbase, the vitriol and hate directed at Trendy recently... She was merely the messenger, but she was shot for carrying that message...
This was entirely beyond acceptable, and I refused to respond to anything that I saw in that thread as I know I'd have probably lost my **** entirely... I'm surprised Cryptic did not hand out bans for some of the hatred spewed in that thread...
And I will not refute this, in fact, I agree...
I am still waiting on them to fix the revamped Doff UI once and for all for example - I made clear at the time I did not like the new UI and preferred the old UI, I have also stated clearly that there is no reason it has not been fixed, I just don't feel the need to dwell on this like others might...
I have never once tried to say Cryptic are perfect and can do no wrong, I am purely a pragmatist and a realist... I don't see the point in raging against the system, purely for the sake of doing so...
I am willing to hope quietly that such issues are being acknowledged and such issues will be fixed in due time, when that time is permitting...
I have at least some understanding of the situation Cryptic are in, and I do believe alot of the perceived lack of work being done is not directly their fault...
Lording over them is PWE and I'm of the belief that they are the ones pulling the strings and setting time-tables for when things are to be completed, that being new content which will make PWE money... I also believe that it is PWE who do not care about the concerns and desires of the players, that they are the true force behind the perceived 'cash grabs' of late..
Cryptic are almost stuck between a rock and a hard place, right between the players and PWE... I'm of the belief that they want to fix all the bugs they can and make the changes the players request, but can only do so when time allows between meeting what ever deadlines and criteria PWE set for them...
If I remember hearing correctly, the recent addition of the Odyssey Uniforms for example was actually the result of work done in an employee's own time... Such examples do give me reason to believe that Cryptic have a passion for their product, but may not always be able to do what they want, when they want, due to other constraints imposed on them as a result of corporate considerations...
Well, I can only speak from my own experiences... So far, I've not see anything which has left me with such motivation to rage at Cryptic for anything that has transpired, mind you, I've only been playing for around 2 years (just after STO went F2P), so this may also be a factor...
Yes, and no as I see it... Where I work, the company I work for subcontracts out to our client, as a subcontractor, we only have so much say in how things operate at the clients' premises...
I would suspect that Cryptic, being whole owned by PWE, is in a similar situation where by they can go to PWE and say :
PWE, if they behave anything like my employer's client, they'd likely respond :
When Cryptic respond in the negative and point out it's purely bug fixing etc, PWE will likely refuse to allow time, or only very little, resulting in the situation where bonus content is developed in the dev's free time instead...
This in itself potentially becomes a catch 22, as this then sets the precedent where PWE can just say no, with the expectation that this bonus content that Cryptic want to add, will just be done outside of normal hours anyway...
Again, this comes down to different perceptions... I am of the belief that Cryptic sincerely want STO to be the best game they can make, and I'm waiting to see where recent changes go in the long-term strategy (which I presume they must have one) which we, as players, can only see the short-term...
If I feel that things are heading the wrong way for me, I'll reassess my position then... In the mean time, I'm still to see a reason to crucify Cryptic for actions which may indeed be outside of their control...
Even that would fall flat on it's face. No money, but instead, personal growth? Sounds great, until you need someone to snake your toilet. Or make a video game. It's why Star Trek and it's "Utopia" is fiction.
Tell the Amish that.
Uhm ok. Next time I see one, I'll explain to them, all about this old TV show, and how Gene's vision included self growth, rather than money, or even God.
Of course, the Amish still use money, so I'm not too sure what difference it would make to them.
The OP is right you know. Pug a few ISA without fleet or elite channel support and see what they taken away from you. The majority of players is just blinded atm cuz they cant see through the few beautiful curtains given to us to approach new endgame.
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What actually counts for the player is the endresult aka the game itself and if it's any good and fun to play. And in its current state in many's opinion it is just not.
How they (Cryptic / PWE) would address that is on their own to decide and to manage. I'm not responsible for that, that's why I and others pay freaking money. I'm a bit tired of hearing excues for this lazy-TRIBBLE development style that's shown over and over again. We're asked to pay freaking 3000 zen for a ship for which they couldn't even be bothered to built an own bridge. This is just an example of all that's going wrong in this game. If you want us to spend money at least show some effort. Other games are doing it as well, so why can't they.
And if they just can't get over this malicious chinese monetization model, that's in my opinion the root cause for everything here, then they should leave Star Trek alone and give to a Dev that can do better and is not bound to that. One of the best SciFi IP does deserve better than that.
an Amish star ship......
yeah i can picture an air tight carriage being pulled by one of those Jr. creatures.
but for real money doesnt come from thin air, u have to have industry, the rich make money and when they do they expand, to do that they need workers...enter more jobs, more people buying when they have money, so more products needs to be made...a powerful cycle. its the history of my country and how we had such a power economic and industrial power, and how we survived WW2.
it would have been great if we continued to do that, we would have had enough rich entrepreneurs to fund space programs and technologies for a trek future, imagine super corporations banding together to create all the colonies and space travel ideas we cant afford today in our current economy...i guess technically the liberal way is what we are living atm in the US, they are thrift spending...i better stop there and get back to Trek....
Insurrection.
I guess I saw a bit of myself in that one, as I see every day, how we have all the great tech in the world, and not one lick of sense or wisdom about using it.
I can see why they abandoned theirs. Hell, I have myself gave up on a lot of it myself. In fact, until my grandmother passed away, I used a horse to get where I needed to go, would be months on end, before I even left the ranch, and outside of a satellite Connection and Dish, I pretty much stopped using a lot of gadgets.
Don't get me wrong, even though I'm an evil Strict Constructionist, I do enjoy things like Solar power, etc. even use it to power my own water well.
I never saw Insurrection as a political plot in the whole Divisiveness that has became American politics. I still maintain, that such a utopia is a fiction, and will always be a fiction. Sure I cracked wise about the toilet needing snaked, but let's go the other extreme, and look at the guy who is a master artist. Always working towards bettering himself. What happens when every one wants a piece of his work, to I don't know, hang over the toilet, and he can't keep up. Does he hire people to help with reproductions? If so, how is this bettering the new workers? It isn't.
Granted, everyone should strive to better ones self. But a lack of money, or having too much money, isn't as great a part of it, as some believe. In fact, I do less with money to help my own community out, than I ever did with money. Huge garden, people are free to have what they want, Like the shakers of old, If I see a need, I plant more. (Generational seeds are the best, regardless of Government involvement.)
I help the local Food bank, feed our people, and I was even the Fire Chief for our volunteer Fire Dept. for years. Some required money, some doesn't. The fact that money was still there, does not mean, I or others where not enriched. In fact, just the opposite. we can do more with our capitalism than without.
Now don't get me started on this years waste book friends, and by no means, do I mean to belittle or insult anyone here. Hell, I'd just as soon shake originalspocks hand, have him over for a salad or ribs, or whatever, and keep making my own little corner of the world a better place for all.