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Why do people hate Neelix?
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Having watched almost* all of Voyager, I never found him to be annoying or anything. So why are people so obsessed with hating this character? Like they have some personal vendetta against him. As far as condemning his existence. 
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Plus the writers forced his garish, annoying, prattling, overweight rear on the viewers, and that NEVER ends well.
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And that's just season 1. I gave up on Voyager when Janeway, who is otherwise always so protective of her crew (one of the few things I actually like about her), didn't shoot him in the head and dump him out the airlock after he nearly killed the ship in "Learning Curve".
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You're right, I guess I wasn't. :P
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Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
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Told you.
Another DS9 comparison, since it's pretty clear Neelix was supposed to duplicate Quark as the plucky comic relief.
Compare Neelix:
In a nutshell, Neelix is a horrible, horrible person and a terrible failed clown.
i like neelix because everyone hates him.
1. what are you going on about? he wanted to rescue his girlfriend and it also helped because his girlfriend managed to help find the crewmen. the kazon were just an afterthought.
2. he was a local expert, he knew the local area better then anyone of the voyager crew, he managed to put out helpful pointers throughout the journey.
3. he made those modifications because he was thinking about the crews well being, if paris cant stomoch replicated tamato soup then neelix's own recipes must be considerably better, besides the captain eating alone in her own cabin walled off from the crew and the crew draws strength and morale from having the captain, a morale officer and a proper galley with fresh grub.who would want to eat replicated tamato soup after that?
it was never stated the systems were under severe strain, and the ships power supplies usually last a few months before needing a new supply, how an extra bit for a galley makes any real difference to the ships power systems is not even worth debating as there is no value in it.
4. so? everyone makes mistakes.
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When he wasn't written as a hedgehog with a dirty apron, he was actually a good character. In other words, the episode Fair Trade.
Fair Trade was just eye-rolling, but he was actually pretty good when they let Ethan Philips really spread his wings in "Jetrel".
But otherwise, yeah. Horrible character, titanic waste of talent.
Liar, liar, pants on fire.
Right, a species in possession of capital ships capable of fighting Voyager one-on-one is an "afterthought". That's exactly my point.
I can think of exactly two times his advice was at all helpful instead of terrible. He gave Janeway an extremely vague description of Numiri weapons systems in "Ex Post Facto" ("yeah, they got frickin laser beams that are probably roughly equal to your phasers"), and he kept Kerry from poisoning himself in "State of Flux".
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
He had to take out a wall and reroute multiple power conduits and he didn't even stop to ask permission. Even if he didn't actually damage anything, it is not his ship to modify. And so frakking what if the captain chooses to eat alone? It actually is her ship. Captain's prerogative.
And Neelix's cooking is canonically absolutely terrible, as stated by any number of characters across all seven seasons. The only reason anybody on the entire ship ever eats it is because they were having to ration replicator mass because of supply problems. People eating your food because it's the only thing available =/= you are God's gift to the culinary profession.
You're either a rotten liar or you never actually watched the show with your brain turned on. It was stated in the second frakking episode.
Serial mistakes that repeatedly get crew members injured or killed? When Janeway is willing to commit Voyager to an interstellar war in violation of half the laws in Starfleet's code of justice in "Scorpion", not to mention common sense, because one of her goldshirts got hurt in a manner that the Doctor fixed easily? And she still didn't shoot Neelix in the head and use him for replicator mass when they were severely short on it?
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Sadly, it was only a holographic program.
As for the Neelix haters, I'm pretty sure Tuvok is with you on that (although he hides it well). After all, one episode had Tuvok using the holodeck to choke a holographic Neelix to death over being annoying.
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Beat me to it.
Winning.
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That is but one of the reasons I think Tuvok is awesome. :cool::D:P
Funny how Tuvok had to pick something that he thought could drive him into a homicidal rage, and the first thing he chose was... Neelix.
Fascinating.
But think about it. If you asked the ship's cook for one of your favorite foods (for example, plomeek soup) and he brought it with a bunch of stuff that ruined it (ton of spice), then wouldn't anyone go into a homicidal rage? :rolleyes:
I personally liked the sounds of some of the food items what's-his-name had planned after Neelix left Voyager. For instance, "Red alert chilly" and "plasma leak soup". :P
Winning.
Oh, now don't tell me you want in on all this! Well, ok. Look this that Egg Pawn hanging outside your window, pointing his laser rifle at you, waiting for my next order. He's doing his part. He helps conquer the weak-minded. He roboticizes the weak-bodied. Heck, he even helps keep the useless people from causing any trouble, but you know what? Join. Find the closest Nataran Empire roboticization center near you and join the ranks, before the ranks find you. Oh, I know, you figure it must be so satisfying to know I basically rule the world now, and you know what? It is, but do you want to know the true definition of satisfaction? Well, let me tell you a little story. One day, you see a brand new event. They're giving out boxes that give old event stuff. Your dilithium is plentiful. You buy a whole lot of Phoenix packs on your main, and open them all. You get one epic token. Then, you decide, that since you have all the Breen ships and don't give a damn about the others, you exchange it for an ultra rare, and grab yourself a Jem'Hadar Attack Ship and for the hell of it, a Voth Bulwark. You open both, leaving the Bulwark in your vast masses of starships as you jump into the bugship and deck it out, deck by deck, into the most awesome Jem'Hadar ship you can. You fly it. You enjoy it. Eventually, you get bored and leave, leaving the old Bulwark never flown... until later. Your main is long complete. Your new alt main, based off some character you pulled out of nothing just to explain away some starship being in service without the command of your dear admiral, is also complete. Mostly. Their reps and doffs are hard at work, getting you stuff. You realize the potential, and head back for your dear admiral, pull the most Voth themed build you can out of thin air, and suit up in your giant ship in the shape of you know what. You head out... and cause all sorts of havoc. Enemies scream out your name as their very life is drained away by your swarms of Aceton Assimilators. They complain to the devs of your OPness when you revive yourself from death every time you die. Do you show any form of mercy? No. After all, this isn't the United Federation of Planets, this is mother frakkin' Starfleet, where you explore strange new worlds and kick butt never kicked before. Oh, and you realize that I just wrote another speech rivaling your own signature. Cool. Oh, wait, that's just the original draft, it is part of my signature now. Oh, and yes, I am aware that I have become a Canadian Regent; one day, sooner than you'd expect, we'll suddenly decide to take over the world and declare an "alliance", and I shall become it's Regent. You know, like the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance in the mirror universe of our beloved Star Trek. Oh, who'll we be taking over with? I dunno, maybe [REDACTED], or maybe aliens from outer space. Guess you'll have to wait and find out, won't we? Until then, don't ask too many questions, or else my Breen allies on Titania might pick up on your -- [REDACTED BY BREEN CONFEDERACY FOR REASONS] Also, psst... keep an eye out for flying Tribbles! Also walls. Big, great walls, separating entire continents apart. Walls patrolled by Tribbles. Flying Tribbles. Flying Nukara Tribbles. Don't worry, it's not like they were on Venus with a herd of Tholians or anything, they just like the extreme heat and brutal weather like acid rain and hurricane force winds as the norm. Oh, and definitely keep your eye out on any two-tailed foxes, because if they ain't glowing, they're definitely an imposter. Possibly an Undine, we caught one of those once in my place once. Oh, and if you find a two-tailed fox that doesn't like the cold... most certainly ask him to say sorry. If he refuses, DESTROY HIM WITH A DOOMSDAY MACHINE, BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH AGAINST SUCH AN OVERPOWERED IMPOSTER!
tr;dr, I am winning last post wins 3.0. Thank you for your time.
1. would you trust just anyone to help rescue another mans girl and in neelix mind, could take her away from neelix? he was afraid and to a point he was right because of paris for a short time. not everyone has their poles the right way around and considering the state of which the voyager crew found neelix, on his own scraping a living salvaging junk, he may have also have reclusive motives not fully understood. but when the rescue happened and was revealed, did anyone really blame neelix?
and the kazon were just an afterthought, clearly not much thought put into the kazon as far as the captain and the crew were concerned at that moment, they allowed the fight to happen later which made it an afterthought. not sure why you are trying to drag out something like that.
2. you may want to brush up on your fact checking to completely keep from a counter attack like that. the episode you referenced, neelix made a psychological observation about the numiri that was exactly accurate. "Very, very curious. In Numiri terms, that greeting was downright friendly." , even janeway didn't ignore it and planned an action around that bit of advice. he helped bring first contact with the tak-tak in a positive way. he was even helpful in pointing out some aspects of kazon thinking that didnt occur to the captain. he saved the voyager from an early attempted kazon take over by jonas. he gave a heads up about the vaadwuar.. many other pointers and hints he offered.
3. again neelix was the morale officer and he could see that it was not gonna work, he also proved a point to the captain to not get stuck in old habits, as it doesnt help anyone and on top of that he had help from other crewmen to take out that section for a galley. its not like hes allowed to do it himself without all those regulations and such, so clearly the crew felt like it was needed as well. it clearly worked. neelix food like like a gift from the gods.
4. and you never paid attention to the fact the ship needs new energy supplies every other month, or are you intentionally attempting to mislead?
5. neelix isnt janeway. so what was your point?
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His point was that if Neelix weren't protected by PLOT, then Janeway would've airlocked him in the very first episode.
well thats what you think. but clearly both kes and neelix were a big help and impressed her enough, unless i dont remember her smile after their asking her.
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Now Wesley Crusher on the other hand. I would have absolutely no qualms about airlocking him. In fact, I would be highly PO'd if I wasn't the one who got to press the 'Purge' button. I'd probably emergency Transport him to Sickbay, and save his miserable life. Just so I could do it all over again tomorrow. Good times. Good times.
BUT, if this discussion ever gets around to airlocking Quark, the line must be drawn heah!
THIS far! NO further! And I'll break your little ships if you try and get past me. rofl
Granted some things he did wrong, but he was good at other things. Best part was how he really tested Tuvok. Those looks that Tuvok would have was priceless. Cause you knew behind those looks was like "I had emotion I would kill you."
Seeing him return for this game. Is a very nice treat.
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