The purpose of this thread is to determine if $32.00 spent is as useful to a player as spending $30.00. The answer to that question is that it depends on many factors.
To the tens, if not hundreds of thousands who already own C-Store ships a $7.00 investment can be better then another $30.00 investment.
To people who love canon spending $32.00 on a T5U Defiant can give them more joy then spending $30.00 on a Phantom.
To PvPers buying a T6 will be more important then Upgrading a T5 because they want the extra couple of percent of power.
To people who just buy everything they will buy the Delta Pack for $125.00 even if they already own hundreds of dollars of ships. *raises hand*
There is no one answer as each person will do what is right for them. But I do not believe $2.00 difference is much of a mitigating factor for most people - especially since they do not need to pay that $2.00 out of their own pocket if they do not wish to.
Very few things in life are completely balanced against each other.
Me personally I see both sides of the debate. Because I would hate to feel I threw away money with the T5's I had unlocked prior. But would I buy another T5 I do not own now? No. The upgrade tokens are fine for the ones I already have but those I didn't get yet no longer have any interest to me.
As for the canon ships at T5 VA, I being a LTS already pick up the Defiant on most of my Feds. But that's because it was my favorite of the three to fly in this game. I hate the Galaxy's turn rate that is so bad that a rhino is more agile even with a broken leg.
But your very sig kind of says the state of canon in this game. lol Although I think you are missing a few out of place BO's now.
As for the pack, I don't own it. I could get it and not had to pay anything as the Dilithium Exchange got the zen plus what I had already with stipend. But would that zen be best served on the pack when with LoR, the most expensive pack I rarely see people using those ships in game?
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As for the pack, I don't own it. I could get it and not had to pay anything as the Dilithium Exchange got the zen plus what I had already with stipend. But would that zen be best served on the pack when with LoR, the most expensive pack I rarely see people using those ships in game?
I did not purchase the LoR Pack because half of the ships in the Pack were T1-T4. I did not see any value in spending money on ships that I would out-level in 3-4 /played hours each - though I can understand many wanting the Consoles. If the LoR Pack had been all end-game ships I would have purchased it, though.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
well if you have t5 ship then buing token upgrade is cheaper than buing completly new t6, but well, if you dont have t5...t6 seems much more logicla choice.
Ok given certain mods are on a thread locking rampage please avoid the terms they are having fits over.
Could someone from Cryptic OR PWI (not a mod trying to white knight with poor info) Please explain the process behind the cost to upgrade.
T6 ships cost 3k zen and are the current "tier" so the price is rather justified.
However T5U and Fleet T5U prices don't seem to tally.
T5U is "worse" than t6 thats to be expected BUT when T5U effectively costs MORE than a t6 (T% avg price 2500zen , 700zen for the token)
You have to ask wouldnt it have been more apt to make them just upgrade to t6? that way keeping t5 sales valid as the tokens would mean that ships remain valid till around tier 7.
So given the base cost of 2500 (apart from bought in sales which you ran just before delta as well) what is the justification of the high cost to make a ship sub par? as at 500 the token would mean people are still paying the same for a t5u as for a t6 rather than 200(standard)-700(fleet) more, This was pointed out in feedback but seeming ignored why was that as we are seeing anger in chat still esp in some areas.
I think as the game moves forward this will affect the new players the most. When they first broke the news of delta rising and the level cap and new t6 ships I think they had no plans on any ship upgrades till they heard the roar of the crowd. I may be wrong and thats fine if I am but this whole ship upgrade seems to me that it was thrown together at the last minute to easy the tention they were getting.
I dont see them lowering the price of a t5 ship there goal is to sell you the new t6 ship yes their not cannon yet but give them time and I'm sure new ones will be.
Right now the way I see it is this they will leave the cost of the t5 ships the same offer the upgrade and let the player's decide do I spend this amount of just spend this they will get thier money one way or the other its going to be the player's decision whats going to be best for them.
the Problem Cosmic, is that it doesn't matter if the ship was bought 2 years ago or today. you take the full cost of everything a T5u is 3700 while a T6 3000 and yet the T5U will not match a T6. this price is ridicluous. The best solotions is reduce the price of the fleet module and upgrade so they the overall cost is less then a T6 ship or match it if they allow the upgrade to match the ship. THe bulk of the T^ fed ships are crappy looking. THis whole idea was badly done.
Me personally I see both sides of the debate. Because I would hate to feel I threw away money with the T5's I had unlocked prior. But would I buy another T5 I do not own now? No. The upgrade tokens are fine for the ones I already have but those I didn't get yet no longer have any interest to me.
As for the canon ships at T5 VA, I being a LTS already pick up the Defiant on most of my Feds. But that's because it was my favorite of the three to fly in this game. I hate the Galaxy's turn rate that is so bad that a rhino is more agile even with a broken leg.
But your very sig kind of says the state of canon in this game. lol Although I think you are missing a few out of place BO's now.
As for the pack, I don't own it. I could get it and not had to pay anything as the Dilithium Exchange got the zen plus what I had already with stipend. But would that zen be best served on the pack when with LoR, the most expensive pack I rarely see people using those ships in game?
personally i could not resist the DR ship pack, 5 fed ships and 2 ships each for kdf and rom, 3 bridge intel officers and and a doff pack for every character you have, and the uniforms & 3 T5 ship upgrade tokens, it was a real steal for 12500zen.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
the Problem Cosmic, is that it doesn't matter if the ship was bought 2 years ago or today. you take the full cost of everything a T5u is 3700 while a T6 3000 and yet the T5U will not match a T6. this price is ridicluous. The best solotions is reduce the price of the fleet module and upgrade so they the overall cost is less then a T6 ship or match it if they allow the upgrade to match the ship. THe bulk of the T^ fed ships are crappy looking. THis whole idea was badly done.
In a short time a few months maybe the T-6u ships will be out with T-6 fleet ships
So we can upgrade again
lol
Jellico....Engineer ground.....Da'val Romulan space Sci
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
personally i could not resist the DR ship pack, 5 fed ships and 2 ships each for kdf and rom, 3 bridge intel officers and and a doff pack for every character you have, and the uniforms & 3 T5 ship upgrade tokens, it was a real steal for 12500zen.
I've heard conflicting reports on how good the ships are though.
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In a short time a few months maybe the T-6u ships will be out with T-6 fleet ships
So we can upgrade again
lol
and you can say goodbye to the game. It's sad when a game mod gets better reviews then an actual game but it is derserved here. Cryptic and PWE have ignored are feedback and we see the results.
They give away T5 ships every year. It will be interesting to see if they start giving away T6 ships next year.
My bet would be that they'll give away more of the older T5 ships, to encourage people to buy those upgrades.
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Yeah, TLDR, save your money buckos! Don't give it away when Christmas is just around the corner and your kid needs shoes cause theirs have holes and they need a new jacket cause theirs is now too small and your wife has lost thirty pounds and her clothes don't fit her anymore but that might be ok...for easy access...if you get my drift :P
That's why I don't buy new clothes for my kids and instead put them to work in the coal mines where they can earn me enough money to buy the expansions I need.
No, I don't have any kids, nor intend to have any in the near future, so there's no need to call child services on me. I might put my stuffed animals to work, but they're too smart to do anything I say, so there's that.
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Me personally I see both sides of the debate. Because I would hate to feel I threw away money with the T5's I had unlocked prior. But would I buy another T5 I do not own now? No. The upgrade tokens are fine for the ones I already have but those I didn't get yet no longer have any interest to me.
As for the canon ships at T5 VA, I being a LTS already pick up the Defiant on most of my Feds. But that's because it was my favorite of the three to fly in this game. I hate the Galaxy's turn rate that is so bad that a rhino is more agile even with a broken leg.
But your very sig kind of says the state of canon in this game. lol Although I think you are missing a few out of place BO's now.
As for the pack, I don't own it. I could get it and not had to pay anything as the Dilithium Exchange got the zen plus what I had already with stipend. But would that zen be best served on the pack when with LoR, the most expensive pack I rarely see people using those ships in game?
Lifetime no longer gives a forum title. That should be updated on the Lifetime page that mentions what you get. PMing the CSR doesn't work neither.
I think as the game moves forward this will affect the new players the most. When they first broke the news of delta rising and the level cap and new t6 ships I think they had no plans on any ship upgrades till they heard the roar of the crowd. I may be wrong and thats fine if I am but this whole ship upgrade seems to me that it was thrown together at the last minute to easy the tention they were getting.
I dont see them lowering the price of a t5 ship there goal is to sell you the new t6 ship yes their not cannon yet but give them time and I'm sure new ones will be.
Right now the way I see it is this they will leave the cost of the t5 ships the same offer the upgrade and let the player's decide do I spend this amount of just spend this they will get thier money one way or the other its going to be the player's decision whats going to be best for them.
personally i could not resist the DR ship pack, 5 fed ships and 2 ships each for kdf and rom, 3 bridge intel officers and and a doff pack for every character you have, and the uniforms & 3 T5 ship upgrade tokens, it was a real steal for 12500zen.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
In a short time a few months maybe the T-6u ships will be out with T-6 fleet ships
So we can upgrade again
lol
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
I've heard conflicting reports on how good the ships are though.
Lifetime no longer gives a forum title. That should be updated on the Lifetime page that mentions what you get. PMing the CSR doesn't work neither.
and you can say goodbye to the game. It's sad when a game mod gets better reviews then an actual game but it is derserved here. Cryptic and PWE have ignored are feedback and we see the results.
Well, if this winter's ship grind is for a T5, there will be a lot less grinders on their server.
then they will bring out T7 and we will have this chat all over again, is it better to pay to upgrade T6 ships or just buy T7.
i aint all that fussed over the ship, i just enjoy the race, often think its a pitty they dont offer an alternate prize like 50k dil.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
That extra $2 per token is the non-compliance fee.
Why?
Well, for myself, there are several T5 ships that I want and, over time, will endeavor to get.
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My bet would be that they'll give away more of the older T5 ships, to encourage people to buy those upgrades.
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That's why I don't buy new clothes for my kids and instead put them to work in the coal mines where they can earn me enough money to buy the expansions I need.
No, I don't have any kids, nor intend to have any in the near future, so there's no need to call child services on me. I might put my stuffed animals to work, but they're too smart to do anything I say, so there's that.
Fleet Admiral Ventaxa Proxmire, U.S.S. Shaka Walls Fell
Blog: http://www.sarbonn.com/?page_id=1990
Foundry series: Bob From Accounting & For the Sake of the Empire
2500 + 700 (unless you want to dump 2k for 4) mean you either pay the same as for a t6 or MORE
For fleet variatiants the price differences remains constant as well.
So basically they are killing of most of the Canon ships leaving us with the t6+ "fakes" or payment to upgrade to a slightly subpar t6.