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Ok given certain mods are on a thread locking rampage please avoid the terms they are having fits over.
Could someone from Cryptic OR PWI (not a mod trying to white knight with poor info) Please explain the process behind the cost to upgrade.
T6 ships cost 3k zen and are the current "tier" so the price is rather justified.
However T5U and Fleet T5U prices don't seem to tally.
T5U is "worse" than t6 thats to be expected BUT when T5U effectively costs MORE than a t6 (T% avg price 2500zen , 700zen for the token)
You have to ask wouldnt it have been more apt to make them just upgrade to t6? that way keeping t5 sales valid as the tokens would mean that ships remain valid till around tier 7.
So given the base cost of 2500 (apart from bought in sales which you ran just before delta as well) what is the justification of the high cost to make a ship sub par? as at 500 the token would mean people are still paying the same for a t5u as for a t6 rather than 200(standard)-700(fleet) more, This was pointed out in feedback but seeming ignored why was that as we are seeing anger in chat still esp in some areas.
Could someone from Cryptic OR PWI (not a mod trying to white knight with poor info) Please explain the process behind the cost to upgrade.
T6 ships cost 3k zen and are the current "tier" so the price is rather justified.
However T5U and Fleet T5U prices don't seem to tally.
T5U is "worse" than t6 thats to be expected BUT when T5U effectively costs MORE than a t6 (T% avg price 2500zen , 700zen for the token)
You have to ask wouldnt it have been more apt to make them just upgrade to t6? that way keeping t5 sales valid as the tokens would mean that ships remain valid till around tier 7.
So given the base cost of 2500 (apart from bought in sales which you ran just before delta as well) what is the justification of the high cost to make a ship sub par? as at 500 the token would mean people are still paying the same for a t5u as for a t6 rather than 200(standard)-700(fleet) more, This was pointed out in feedback but seeming ignored why was that as we are seeing anger in chat still esp in some areas.
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Over the last couple days I've seen T5Us all over the place and the T6 are clearly still in the minority. People know that the upgrade tokens are too expenseive and a comparison dosen't add up properly but there are so may people who don't give a damn and buy upgrades for like 20 old ships they never use. As long as there are enough people who buy this stuff without even thinking about it properly (and there are alot of them) cryptic has no reason to do anything about their prices.
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The exception is the KDF Raptor.
I'm liking the Guardian. Never had anything other than the freebie ships from leveling and, the T5 Ambassadore. So, I had nothing that was upgradeable.
And, I like the raptor but, could only get one, for now. Maybe in a couple more months. My kdf toons need a new ship, too...though I really want a T6 Bop. :P
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the problem is they are stuck now, they cant really lower the price of T5 ships without making the upgrade fee look stupid.
still they have made their T5 bed they will have to sleep on it.
only thing is it highlights what a good deal the DR ship pack is with 9 ships + extras for $125, thats about $10 per ship & $35 for the extras.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
therefore trhe pricing is equal.
T5 to T5U = 2k base with 500 upgrade .... equal in price to a T5 fleet with the purchase of the equivalent retrofit.
FT5 to FT5u = 2500 zen base + 500zen upgrade = 3k zen, price of a T6 ship.
Quoted for Truth! TY Serious Dave.
I myself bought the DR Ops Pack [LINK]
It comes with a few T5U upgrade tokens. I have used one of them for my most favorite ROM Warbird (I think everyone is sick of looking at my ship by now :P) [LINK]
I still have those other two uptokes. Last time I looked they were going for 50M EC on the XCHG.
I have been pondering selling them off and buying one of the new RCS consoles. My point is, why would I upgrade my old ships when I just got a fist full of new ones across all three factions.
People, please think it out and take the math as calculated by Dave et. al. Cryptic will let you spend all your rent money and when your wife finds out you spent a hundred bucks on a game for items that can not even be realized in "the real world"...sorry but I really had to grovel for my wife for the mucho denaro I spent on STO of late :P
Yeah, TLDR, save your money buckos! Don't give it away when Christmas is just around the corner and your kid needs shoes cause theirs have holes and they need a new jacket cause theirs is now too small and your wife has lost thirty pounds and her clothes don't fit her anymore but that might be ok...for easy access...if you get my drift :P
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An issue i have is the Atrox, 2500 zen, plus 500 for fleet, plus 700 to upgrade. 3700. Thats an issue. Mysuggestion is to bring the 2500 Zen ships down to 2000 Zen levels.
P.S feel free to give the atrox console/frigates when you do.............
as i just said what would be the point in charging an upgrade fee if it means you have to lower the price of the ship to compensate, thats just silly.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Because T5 and below should have dropped down in price because they are no longer desirable/increasingly undesirable and T6 should have replaced T5's price point as top tier (which was pretty questionable to begin with).
It is also much easier for many to accept a $7.00 Upgrade Token cost then to spend another $30.00 on a new T6 ship. $7.00 is an insignificant amount of money in most people's lives. It is a large latte and a scone at Starbucks - something I have 3+ times a week. It is a bucket of popcorn at a movie - or half the price of a movie ticket. It is 2 gallons of gas. It is about one day's cost of my family's cellphone bill, etc. Most people do not see $7.00 as a hardship and will be willing to spend it for a 5% bonus on their ship compared to a 6-7% bonus for $30.00.
New T5 ship sales will probably take a hit now. Those who already have a ship may still do the upgrade token.
Lifetime no longer gives a forum title. That should be updated on the Lifetime page that mentions what you get. PMing the CSR doesn't work neither.
Not everyone only cares about raw power. Many are just looking for a Trek experience, so they jump into their Defiant, put their characters in DS9 uniforms, and just live their Trek fantasy - and since normal Missions are scaled to level 50 the extra power from T5U or T6 is virtually meaningless as you can already vap things on normal in T5 ships.
Almost all of those people already got those ships though. People like that bought those years ago as the first ships every purchased. But if they want to fly another ship one day, why would they get another T5 that's not canon over the T6?
Lifetime no longer gives a forum title. That should be updated on the Lifetime page that mentions what you get. PMing the CSR doesn't work neither.
I have 13 level 50 characters. Only 3 of them are not using canon ships - 4 if you do not consider the Vesta canon. People fly what they want to fly. Trekkers like to fly canon. Power gamers will fly a beach ball if it has the stats they want to fly. It is just the way the world works. And some people will buy what they like to look at while playing, even if it is not the best in the game.
if you cant see the ideosy of slapping a $5 upgrade fee on a T5 ship then knocking $5 to make it more desirable then i guess this conversation is over, if you are saying drop the price by $5 and remove the $5 upgrade fee that i would agree with.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Going forwards, I'd expect to see new players/characters just flying T6 ships, but for the majority of people flying T5s right now, upgrading's cheaper by a lot.
everybody is failing to grasp the point of this thread, nobody is disputing the fact that it is cheaper to upgrade currently owned T5 ships, what we are talking of here is the combined price of buying a new T5 ship together with the T5U upgrade fee being equal to that of a T6 ship.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
And in general, even if someone had all three ships, they only generally flew one of them, depending on their playstyle. So only one of them actually ends up getting upgraded to T5U. The three piece Scimitar set utterly destroys all the T6 ships currently released. Same with the Vesta set. The one added bridge officer ability on T6 doesn't close that gap.
Otherwise, most of the standalone ships (exceptions exist) were the 2k ships which upgraded ended up costing 2.5 or 2.7k which is still good given T5U ships are really quite strong. Not quite on par with T6 in most cases, of course, but then again, you're also paying 300 or 500 less zen for it.
I actually got the Delta pack. Because, you know, money burns in my pocket and I have several toons across different factions to equip. And you know what? My main is flying around with her T5U D'Deridex as no T6 rommie engineering ship has it's HP and I don't need that much turn rate to beam broadside baddies.
I'd say the only real significant complaint would come from those who are upgrading from fleet ships as they already paid an extra 500 zen for those. But given that T5U and T6 fleet upgrades haven't been introduced yet, I'd take a wait and see approach. In my opinion, Cryptic should give fleet upgrades for free for those players who *already* got their fleet upgrades as they already spent the Zen for it.
No one cares if $32.00 is more then $30.00 if they did not pay some or all of the $32.00. What many people care about is just flying the ships they want to fly - even if it is $2.00 more.
You can purchase a 2 liter bottle of Pepsi for $1.75 or a 24 oz bottle for $1.50. The price difference does not stop them from selling millions of 24 oz bottles of Pepsi per year.
I don't speak for people like saying how they will get it via EC or dilithium. Some want to use those for other things.
And even if we include those, a person wanting to buy a ship they don't already own can use those methods to get the ships too. Why not grind it out to a T6 since it will be the same grind or even less grind depending on the 4 pack vs 1 pack. Which you fail to see. No matter what method, it's still either more cash, or more grind for the person just coming to the game. Which I actually got a friend to do just before this expansion. And now the T5 upgrade vs T6 has made him worried about continuing with any Cryptic game.
You keep speaking from your perspective of being in the game for years and only needing that token now and not from a new player who when he hits level 50 will see T6 as the better option and just do that vs T5 and token.
As for the canon thing, all the shows were Captains so he was like Admirals should have other ships of the "current design" which by the way isn't a 40 year old ship. So that even doesn't always hold water.
Lifetime no longer gives a forum title. That should be updated on the Lifetime page that mentions what you get. PMing the CSR doesn't work neither.
And you really cannot discount the fact that people like to fly ships they like. Only a small percentage of players in this game PvP. For most of the casual players the T5U power is just more power creep in a game where they are already over-powered. The Mission Content is locked to level 50 on Normal difficulty. That means T5U is even more powerful then existing Fleet T5s. The extra couple of percent for a T6 is meaningless.
And the age thing is meaningless as well. People want to fly what they want to fly. Should I point you to the hundreds of T5 Connie threads as proof?
if its a ship you perticulally want that is a differant matter, i dare say if that were the case you would be happy to pay just about any price within reason.
we are talking here in general terms of players that just want to spend a bit of cash on the c-store and is looking for the best ship they can buy with the money they have to spend, in this case i belive most people will go for the T6 ship over the T5U given that the T6 has a slight edge over a T5U and both cost the same.
a bit like if you went to buy a car and there was a ford focus in the showroom and a Lamborghini with the same price tag even if the ford focus was upgraded to almost match the Lamborghini.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Then you are off topic of the thread. It's not about the ships you already own. It's about a ship you don't own and that getting a T5 and upgrading that ship would cost as much or more than a T6. And your example of the Vesta shows that you are speaking about a ship already owned. You still won't even look at it from the perspective of a new person hitting the game and thinking why the F would he spend 30 dollars on a T5U when that same gets a T6? And that's the low cost of buying a 4 pack which a new player may not even need the other 3 in the future. Without a DeLorean built by Doc Brown, those other 3 may or may not be used can not be said with certainty.
And those T5 Connie threads are pointless since CBS said no way back in the first year of the game about the Connie and refuse to budge.
Lifetime no longer gives a forum title. That should be updated on the Lifetime page that mentions what you get. PMing the CSR doesn't work neither.
To the tens, if not hundreds of thousands who already own C-Store ships a $7.00 investment can be better then another $30.00 investment.
To people who love canon spending $32.00 on a T5U Defiant can give them more joy then spending $30.00 on a Phantom.
To PvPers buying a T6 will be more important then Upgrading a T5 because they want the extra couple of percent of power.
To people who just buy everything they will buy the Delta Pack for $125.00 even if they already own hundreds of dollars of ships. *raises hand*
There is no one answer as each person will do what is right for them. But I do not believe $2.00 difference is much of a mitigating factor for most people - especially since they do not need to pay that $2.00 out of their own pocket if they do not wish to.
Very few things in life are completely balanced against each other.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.