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I kind of feel bad for Brannon Braga now
rosetyler51
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This came across my dashboard and his face just makes me feels bad now
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'Nuff said.
I don't feel bad for him at all.
Agreed. I might argue 'he had no choice' - forced by the network in some fashion, but he could have always said 'no'.
i dont consider jjcrap as canon either. so good to see some have their iron bars to carry around.
warp 10, paris turns into... something, takes janeway with him, she turns into... something, have kids, found, restored. spawn/children left to themselves.
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If I remember correctly, I believe Threshold was the only Star Trek episode to actually be struck from canon by CBS.
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"At the 2009 New Jersey Star Trek convention, Kate Mulgrew remarked to the audience that "Threshold" was the episode of Star Trek: Voyager she was most uncomfortable with, noting that she didn't like the thought of mating with Paris as a lizard"
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Ohhh... that's funny.
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Except with Brannon Braga, it's the opposite. He and Rick Berman are probably the people most responsible for killing Star Trek.
Paris said in a later episode that he had never been at transwarp before.
Let's have Chuck explain it to you:
http://sfdebris.com/videos/startrek/v832.php
Maybe it is the TV politics version of: "You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villian..."
It's difficult to step down once you realize you're out of steam. They kinda tried that, when they let someone else do more of the last season of Enterprise. It was too late to turn the viewership around, but I think it showed there was still life left in the franchise, but you needed fresh blood that had not done it so intensively for several years.
Umm, "Terra Prime" was an ENT finale, "These are the Voyages..." was a love letter to all ST series fans.
He remains responsible for some of the worst ST episodes in ST. And there have been a lot of bad ST episodes in ST...
It was more like a hate mail to the fans. :P
The only thing I don't like about that episode is the manner (or rather a lack of one) in which Janeway and Paris are brought back to being normal.
"These Are the Voyages" is the kind of "love letter" that is usually accompanied by dead flowers, and results in a restraining order. It desecrated not only the series it was stuck onto, but also the TNG episode it was supposed to be riffing on (Riker was having a crisis of conscience over the Pegasus affair, not playing Chef on the holodeck, and even if he had been, the conversations had and conclusions reached had nothing to do with Riker's decisions and actions in that episode).
And Berman and Braga's attitude toward Manny Coto continuing the show without them was pretty clearly displayed by the mess they left him with - time-traveling alien TRIBBLE lizard people, indeed!
And Coto made lemonade out of it. He used it to revert that entire stupid Temporal Cold War arc and get the show back to what it was supposed to be all along.
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No. Threshold was never struck from canon.
He said he'd never travelled in a Transwarp Conduit before, not that he'd never travelled at Transwarp before.
There are far worse episodes than Threshold in ST: Spocks Brain, the one with the space hippies, ST V, STVI, Code of Honour, Shades of Grey, Prophet and Lace, A Night in Sickbay, These are the Voyages.
I fount Threshold to be mildly watchable, the science was no more laughable than Janeway suggesting you could escape an event horizon by going faster, as though the event horizon was a physical place rather than maths.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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It was the "crack" in the event horizon that got me in that episode.
Yeah, that's what I meant
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Paris and Janeway just hyper-warped into a 'Nexus-Type' of phenomenon, because the Delta-Flyer wasn't able to actually achieve a complete "slip-stream" effect.
Paris and B'elanna were on the right track with their tinkering of the Delta-Flyers engines, they just didn't have the right formula numbers to achieve Slip-Stream.
Since they didn't know what "Slip-Stream" was yet, they called it "...achieving Warp 10..." even though it was really a half-assed Slip-Stream effect.
(it's kinda-sorta like when the Enterprise got half-caught in that wormhole in The Motion Picture because the Warp Engines weren't balanced)
At the end what was left behind was like the "shadow" of Guinan, but all weirded out because it wasn't the actual Nexus but something similar.
That's just my "head-canon" but it makes the episode a bit easier to digest.
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Not really. DS9 is my favourite Star Trek series.
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