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Word to the wise: don't buy Jem'Hadar Space Upgrade

leviathan99#2867 leviathan99 Member Posts: 7,747 Arc User
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Originally Posted by rinkster View Post
But, 150 or 200 lobi was a pretty big investment for those of us who upgraded a space or ground set.

Any chance of a token gesture towards that?
Nope. I know that'll be an unpopular answer, but it is what it is.

Keep in mind that you have the Mk XII version at this price, while everyone else must start from Mk XI in the Upgrade System, and improve it from there.

The Ground Set also included a Costume Unlock which will need to be purchased separately from now on. So call that a built-in bonus, if you like.

So for an upgrade that costs 200 Lobi from the Lobi Consortium, it will only cost maybe 10k dilithium or something in Delta Rising. People who bought the Lobi upgrade for the space set (which Cryptic explicitly promoted in the last few months) won't get anything for it.

So if you haven't bought the Jem'Hadar space upgrade? DO NOT. Waste of 200 Lobi and Cryptic will not be doing anything to honor or recognize your purchase there.
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  • jackal1701apwjackal1701apw Member Posts: 669 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Personally I bought it AGES ago, when DR was but a pipedream.
    I paid what I felt I wanted to pay to give my bugship a 'canon' set at endgame. I have been happy with it and am even more happy I can push it to 14 UR/epic (even though it will cos a small nation's income in minerals)

    I am not personally upset that the 200 lobi I spent all that time ago is basically being devauled to a mere handful of dilithium. I bought it then at a price that I felt was fair. The equipment I bought is not being reduced in capacity - far from it there is an option to make it even better now.

    HOWEVER.

    As soon as this upgrade system was thought of/put into Dev servers/became clear that it would enable us to upgrade mission rewards the mk12 upgrade SHOULD have been removed from the Lobi store.

    It is pure theiving for this to still be in there. You are taking advantage of people's stupidity and it shouldnt be allowed!
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  • reginamala78reginamala78 Member Posts: 4,593 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Thought I heard somewhere that the DR-Upgraded-12 version is still inferior to the Lobi-12 version, and so if you really really like your JH set and plan to max it out completely, then spending lobi is still an improvement? True or not?
  • captainrevo1captainrevo1 Member Posts: 3,948 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    You could argue its been there a while and people have still gotten their worth out of it, but its still sucky whichever way you look at it. i think it should be removed now.

    maybe a little retroactive advantage from the lobi store. a new hull skin unlock or something. 200 lobi vs a few thousand dilithium is harsh.
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  • velquavelqua Member Posts: 1,220 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    I bought this for multiple characters ages ago. :( Oh well... I hope we can get XIV.
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  • lucho80lucho80 Member Posts: 6,600 Bug Hunter
    edited September 2014
    I hope they make the kinetic resistance scale and if so, adjust the current owners of the mk XII. I smell angry people if an upgraded mk XI->XII gets more kinetic damage resistance than a current mk XII.

    Now the stealth detection possibly scaling to 5% on an epic version, awesome.
  • wilbor2wilbor2 Member Posts: 1,687 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Look craptic love to rip players off this to me is just another bit of profe i stoped spending cash on this game just after LOR came out n everything ive seen since confirms i made the right choice. Dont get me wrong i still love playing im just sick of craptic getting us to buy things then a few mths down the line finding out there changed what made me wont it in 1st place
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  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99 Member Posts: 7,747 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    You could argue its been there a while and people have still gotten their worth out of it, but its still sucky whichever way you look at it. i think it should be removed now.

    maybe a little retroactive advantage from the lobi store. a new hull skin unlock or something. 200 lobi vs a few thousand dilithium is harsh.

    Yeah. If it unlocked the hull as a visual, I'd have zero complaint.

    I am put out by this and still gauging my level of reaction as I only bought it a couple of months ago and have barely gotten any use out of it in that time.

    The important thing, though, is that players who have not bought it yet DO NOT BUY IT.
  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99 Member Posts: 7,747 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Thought I heard somewhere that the DR-Upgraded-12 version is still inferior to the Lobi-12 version, and so if you really really like your JH set and plan to max it out completely, then spending lobi is still an improvement? True or not?

    Read the quote. People with the Lobi just get to start out at Mk 12 instead of 11. That's it. The advantage of a few thousand dilithium's worth of upgrade is what you get for the 200 Lobi package.

    Additionally, Borticus indicated that they will be removing the Lobi upgrade when DR goes live.
  • cptskeeterukcptskeeteruk Member Posts: 559 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Perhaps we that bought it with lobi should get a free upgrade to mk xiii or better since we payed for it and it was alot of lobi.
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  • atomictikiatomictiki Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Additionally, Borticus indicated that they will be removing the Lobi upgrade when DR goes live.

    Shady business practice. It should have been removed once it was known to be a bad deal. You could probably make a BBB complaint.
    Leave nerfing to the professionals.
  • centaurianalphacentaurianalpha Member Posts: 1,150 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    ...Borticus indicated that they will be removing the Lobi upgrade when DR goes live.
    I'm glad I resisted the urge over the weekend; the 200 lobi price was pretty steep, compared to ship sale prices, so I kept my gems. It still seems to be unclear whether "Mk infinity" stuff will get the same upgrade option, but dil much easier to come by in any case. I hope the other race gear is still available (Ferengi & Elachi), those were higher on my wish list...
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  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    lucho80 wrote: »
    I hope they make the kinetic resistance scale and if so, adjust the current owners of the mk XII. I smell angry people if an upgraded mk XI->XII gets more kinetic damage resistance than a current mk XII.

    Now the stealth detection possibly scaling to 5% on an epic version, awesome.

    And somehow I fear my lobi set is exactly the one that will remain static, and not scale.
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  • fmgtorres1979fmgtorres1979 Member Posts: 1,327 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=19289961&postcount=139





    So for an upgrade that costs 200 Lobi from the Lobi Consortium, it will only cost maybe 10k dilithium or something in Delta Rising. People who bought the Lobi upgrade for the space set (which Cryptic explicitly promoted in the last few months) won't get anything for it.

    So if you haven't bought the Jem'Hadar space upgrade? DO NOT. Waste of 200 Lobi and Cryptic will not be doing anything to honor or recognize your purchase there.


    The difference being that those who bought it some time ago, got to use it in the meantime. If you buy a car a few years later the car maker will usually release a new model with up-to-date equipment and at a similar price (by comparrison and considering current economy, obviously).
  • dpsloss88dpsloss88 Member Posts: 765 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    XI set has +8% Lobi has +13%. Will the DR upgrading system increase the set bonus damage?
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  • rinksterrinkster Member Posts: 3,549 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    skollulfr wrote: »
    this and everything like it needs a big price cut to reflect the fact that its antiquated against new gear.

    that or respec all the lobi stuff to mk14 by default. since its in a strange catagory

    Cryptic have, on the whole, gone out of their way to protect our cash investments in the game for DR.

    Lobi, cstore and lock box ships have been all been given some love.

    The jemmy sets, being lobi purchases, are similar investments.

    It is extremely regrettable that cryptic have not seen fit to protect them as well.

    Extremely regrettable
  • rodentmasterrodentmaster Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Well THIS is a massive freaking KICK IN THE TEETH.


    WTF, cryptic??
  • tucana66tucana66 Member Posts: 710 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    I accept that I bought a Lobi store item, like the Jem'Hadar Space set, to move to Mark XII.

    I got what I bought: Mk XII.

    But I think an exception should be made for those whom invested in these Lobi Store purchases IF the same Lobi Store items are being upgraded, or given an upgrade path -- and the currently available Lobi Store items aren't.

    I would prefer that Cryptic/PWE permits an upgrade to Mk XIII at minimum. Again, I accept I bought a Mk XII item. If the same Lobi Store item is being sold as Mk XIII or Mk XIV instead, then permit a one-time upgrade.

    My two cents on that.

    Thank you.
  • schmedickeschmedicke Member Posts: 229 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=19289961&postcount=139





    So for an upgrade that costs 200 Lobi from the Lobi Consortium, it will only cost maybe 10k dilithium or something in Delta Rising. People who bought the Lobi upgrade for the space set (which Cryptic explicitly promoted in the last few months) won't get anything for it.

    So if you haven't bought the Jem'Hadar space upgrade? DO NOT. Waste of 200 Lobi and Cryptic will not be doing anything to honor or recognize your purchase there.

    Lol. Thats fine Hawk. I'll just endlessly grind Dillithium and not spend any cash. But I'll still be playing the game so there is that.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Thought I heard somewhere that the DR-Upgraded-12 version is still inferior to the Lobi-12 version, and so if you really really like your JH set and plan to max it out completely, then spending lobi is still an improvement? True or not?
    Turns out that was speculation and nothing more. I tried it on tribble a few hours ago and ALL the Jem Hadar stuff will upgrade to the Lobi specs. Even low level pieces.

    The last time this happened was with the Tholian set and all that happened there was the devs added a feature where you could get a few Nukara marks for it(and keep the gear).
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  • mhirtescmhirtesc Member Posts: 581 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    If the Temporal Warfare space set can somehow be auto-elevated to at least Purple, I'll be satisfied.
  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    well now i know to stop using lobi seeing as i did get this set.......
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  • catoblepasbetacatoblepasbeta Member Posts: 1,532 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=19289961&postcount=139





    So for an upgrade that costs 200 Lobi from the Lobi Consortium, it will only cost maybe 10k dilithium or something in Delta Rising. People who bought the Lobi upgrade for the space set (which Cryptic explicitly promoted in the last few months) won't get anything for it.

    So if you haven't bought the Jem'Hadar space upgrade? DO NOT. Waste of 200 Lobi and Cryptic will not be doing anything to honor or recognize your purchase there.
    How considerate of Cryptic to sneak this in right after having a Lobi store sale. Didn't notice that being advertised for some reason. The Jemhadar sets are worth what? Somewhere around $15-$20 each? And no compensation whatsoever for those who bought them? I have two of the ground sets, and I can't feel like I got suckered here.
  • sunfranckssunfrancks Member Posts: 3,925 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Colour me unsurprised..
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  • jackal1701apwjackal1701apw Member Posts: 669 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    How about if the lobi version of the Jem Set (mk 12) became EPIC (gold) quality when DR launched. Owners could still use the upgrade process to get to 14, but it would (theorectically) cost a lot less to get up to 14 gold than it does for people that own regular mk xi blue quality mission rewards.

    As I said earlier I am not really that bothered but clearly many ppl are - mabye this would help settle things?
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  • nightkennightken Member Posts: 2,824 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    How about if the lobi version of the Jem Set (mk 12) became EPIC (gold) quality when DR launched. Owners could still use the upgrade process to get to 14, but it would (theorectically) cost a lot less to get up to 14 gold than it does for people that own regular mk xi blue quality mission rewards.

    As I said earlier I am not really that bothered but clearly many ppl are - mabye this would help settle things?


    no then they would whine it should have be made mk 14 gold from the start... or that it is somehow a cash grab anyway. there s no pleasing these people.

    if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
  • captainrevo1captainrevo1 Member Posts: 3,948 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    How about if the lobi version of the Jem Set (mk 12) became EPIC (gold) quality when DR launched. Owners could still use the upgrade process to get to 14, but it would (theorectically) cost a lot less to get up to 14 gold than it does for people that own regular mk xi blue quality mission rewards.

    As I said earlier I am not really that bothered but clearly many ppl are - mabye this would help settle things?

    Gold might be a bit far, but if they could update the jem'hadar set to ultra violet, or keep it purple but go to maybe 13 then id be more than happy with that.

    the original set was to take 11 to 12 which in fairness is a minor improvement as it is and probably was not worth the lobi price as it was, but we paid it. the cost in dilithium for equivalent items to go from 11 to 12 in game would have only been reasonable amount of dilithium anyway.

    i dont think we can really ask to have an increase again as compensation that is well above the gap from 11 to 12, so gold is too much.

    Having that set be slightly better again would i think be sufficient. people have still had their use out of it, and automatically have it improved which is all they paid for in the first place.
  • timelord79timelord79 Member Posts: 1,852 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    How about having that set gives one non-reclaimable hangar of Jem Hadar Attack Bugs?
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  • hyefatherhyefather Member Posts: 1,286 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    I don't see anyone spending "Only" a few thousand dil. to upgrade anything past Mk 12. I'm sure cryptics trolls have figured out a way to squeeze every penny out of you. Because of thier reputation I would imagine Cryptic finding a way for you to spend lots of Dil, hence thier way to sell zen. The wisest man, In my life I ever knew preached "Consider the Source". No matter what you hear or read. Think about Cryptics track record. Think about what it takes if you want to level your crafting up a little faster. Can I get a witness.
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