Dyson science destroyer stays stuck in tac mode

shadowwraith77 · June 2014

If you leave yourself in tac mode for too long, it will eventually not allow the ship to return to science mode.

This issue has been going on now for months, and I have yet to have a Dev response.

overlapo · June 2014

It isn't just the Dyson, the veteran ships and D'Kora have the same problem and the bug is far older than the anniversary ship. I am not sure if it is time what causes it, since I have become affected after spending just a few minutes transformed. Combat seems to be the main trigger for the bug but I never managed to isolate what is specifically causing it.
Clicking repeatedly on the transformation power could sometimes fix the problem but that ceased to work months ago for some reason. AFAIK the only way to solve it now is to change maps.

policestate76 · June 2014

So, if you know there is already a knowledge about his, why you post this again... im just telling you this because the policies of the mods about this changed drastically in the last month.. probably they will just close or delete this post..

shadowwraith77 · June 2014

policestate76 wrote: »

So, if you know there is already a knowledge about his, why you post this again... im just telling you this because the policies of the mods about this changed drastically in the last month.. probably they will just close or delete this post..

It has never by my knowledge, actually confirmed by any Dev (at least I haven't seen any), and since I cannot necro several months old threads, I am forced to open a new one.

policestate76 · June 2014

shadowwraith77 wrote: »

It has never by my knowledge, actually confirmed by any Dev (at least I haven't seen any), and since I cannot necro several months old threads, I am forced to open a new one.

Well, then you dont visit the forums too much. This bug has been reported a few times in the past. But its the same story, people realized it will never get fixed, so there is no point to keep making posts about it. Dude i have 3 dyson destroyers, and i have the same problem in my fed one, since the day 1 the science destroyers was out. Back in the days a few people posted this problem, but nothing from the devs. And you right about the necros. I always forget. Necro is a word that lost its complete meaning in these forums since cryptic will never realize we cant restrict people to answer in posts of about 1 month old. Its stupid.

shadowwraith77 · June 2014

policestate76 wrote: »

Well, then you dont visit the forums too much. This bug has been reported a few times in the past. But its the same story, people realized it will never get fixed, so there is no point to keep making posts about it. Dude i have 3 dyson destroyers, and i have the same problem in my fed one, since the day 1 the science destroyers was out. Back in the days a few people posted this problem, but nothing from the devs. And you right about the necros. I always forget. Necro is a word that lost its complete meaning in these forums since cryptic will never realize we cant restrict people to answer in posts of about 1 month old. Its stupid.

Well I also cannot go to their front doors, and beat on them screaming "hey fix this", so again I am left to try, and remind them with this forum.

doffingcomrade · June 2014

It occurs to me that more would probably get done if angry pitchfork-and-torch-bearing mobs actually DID show up at their door when things went unfixed. It's always a question of motivation.

crypticfrost · July 2014

Can I get the name@handles of characters with this issue?

p52smith · July 2014

In my experience, any ability that you toggle on and off (e.g. saucer separation, Tac mode in the Sci destroyers, even cruiser commands) will eventually appear to toggle off after a while in combat. The heavier the combat, the quicker this happens. However, the ability itself is not deactivated, only the trigger on the power tray. Reactivating the trigger will sometimes play the activation animation again (for ship transformations), play part of the animation again (such as releasing smoke for saucer separations, but not a visual of the ship separating) or just the sound effects, but will immediately return to the inactive state.

Sometimes, spamming the trigger quickly enough will allow you to deactivate the ability during the brief period that it is active, but this is not a reliable workaround, particularly for the abilities that trigger a cool down on activation. In the cases where this does succeed, normal operation of the abilities is returned (until it bugs out again)

In the case of cruiser commands, reactivating the trigger will deactivate the cruiser command (which is still visibly active in the buffs section, even though the weapon tray icon is no longer highlighted).

With my main character's Prometheus (both fleet and non-fleet MVAEs) I have actually noticed that the re-integration animation plays when the power tray trigger deactivates and my ship reassembles itself for a couple of seconds before the additional vectors vanish again. This appears to have no effect on how the ship actually behaves.

One of my alts has also noticed this with the Galaxy refit and retrofit saucers (vet token for the refit, fleet for the retrofit). I have often also noticed the deactivation sound effects playing at this point, though it's not always audible over heavy battles.

In detail: (FED/KDF)
Ben@p52smith has seen issues with the Odyssey Tac Cruiser with both Chevron and Aquarius separation, C-Store/Fleet MVAE vector separation, Fleet/non-fleet Chimera transformation, as well as with cruiser commands on the Odyssey and Avenger (fleet and non-fleet).
Tirayd@p52smith has seen issues with the Anniversary Dyson Sci Destroyer tactical mode, as well as the non-fleet Chimera transformation (though he hasn't used this ship since I rebuilt him for Science).
Cheikeap@p52smith has seen issues with the Odyssey Tac/Ops (not sure which offhand) with both Chevron and Aquarius separation, non-fleet Chimera transformation (though he hasn't used this ship since I rebuilt him for tanking), Galaxy refit/fleet galaxy retrofit saucer separation, as well as with cruiser commands on the Odyssey, Galaxies and Avenger (fleet and non-fleet).
Gurgon@p52smith has seen issues with the Pegh'qu transformation as well as with cruiser commands on the Mogh (non-fleet, not used the fleet version much yet).
Ola'gssesh@p52smith has seen issues with the Bortasqu' Command (I believe) Cruiser HoS'SuS bird of prey launch (in the same manner as the Aquarius), Pegh'qu transformation (though he hasn't used this ship since I rebuilt him for tanking), as well as with cruiser commands on the non-fleet Mogh and on the Bortasqu'.
Vulkruh@p52smith has seen issues with the Anniversary Dyson Sci Destroyer tactical mode.
I also believe that Thryl@p52smith has seen issues with the non-fleet MVAE vector separation, though it's been a while since he flew that ship.

It's entirely possible that all of my above characters have experience more issues than the ones listed next to each of them, but those are the ones I am sure of (and is definitely at least the majority of them). I have generally avoided most of the above ships recently due to these issues (though not so much with the cruiser commands) but have used the Odyssey and fleet Chimera briefly on Ben in the last couple of days and immediately became aware of them again.
To sum up, the game knows that the ability is active (and prevents conflicting activations such as Chevron and Aquarius at the same time), but the HUD element and associated controls seem to forget that.

adwynyth · July 2014

p52smith wrote: »

In my experience, any ability that you toggle on and off (e.g. saucer separation, Tac mode in the Sci destroyers, even cruiser commands) will eventually appear to toggle off after a while in combat. The heavier the combat, the quicker this happens. However, the ability itself is not deactivated, only the trigger on the power tray. Reactivating the trigger will sometimes play the activation animation again (for ship transformations), play part of the animation again (such as releasing smoke for saucer separations, but not a visual of the ship separating) or just the sound effects, but will immediately return to the inactive state.

Sometimes, spamming the trigger quickly enough will allow you to deactivate the ability during the brief period that it is active, but this is not a reliable workaround, particularly for the abilities that trigger a cool down on activation. In the cases where this does succeed, normal operation of the abilities is returned (until it bugs out again) (snip)

This actually sounds like it may be related to a bug I get on my Romulan while cloaking/decloaking too quickly. I end up stuck cloaked, but the button is unselected as if I am uncloaked.

Hitting the button again merely kicks off a 5-second cooldown, as if I had just recloaked, but no sound effect or visual effect plays, and since I'm already cloaked, nothing happens.

When said bug happens, I am stuck cloaked and unable to engage in any combat until/unless something damages me or other uncloaks me forcibly, such as a dialog popping up, a gravity well sitting around from some previous combat thingy, a mine hitting me, or something else.

I wrote it up once upon a time, but don't have the ticket number handy.

doffingcomrade · July 2014

This happens on the D'kora, too, repeatedly switching modes will eventually result in things being stuck. It's definitely not a character-specific issue. Cruiser commands will also do this: Eventually they act as if they are permanently deactivated and toggling one will never turn it off, merely turn it on repeatedly. It seems like something in the UI just plain desyncs.

crypticfrost · July 2014

Thanks for the information.

silverrain79 · August 2014

My Reman Fed Sci is having this problem on my Dyson Destroyer, (R'ahne@silverrain79). It's really annoying, my Fed Tac Romulan (R'ain@silverrain79) has the Ar'kif and it tends to get stuck in battlemode as well. One of my fleetmate's has the Vet ship, she's figured out a way to force it out of battlemode but I've yet to figure out anyway to do it on the Dyson or the Ar'Kif w/o dying/changing maps.

cwpetro · August 2014

Just the other day I jumped back into my fleet chimera and had the same problem. Shortly after entering tactical mode I am not able to revert back even when red alert goes away. Its on my engie character Six@Byron_Winter

bwemo · August 2014

doffingcomrade wrote: »

This happens on the D'kora, too, repeatedly switching modes will eventually result in things being stuck. It's definitely not a character-specific issue. Cruiser commands will also do this: Eventually they act as if they are permanently deactivated and toggling one will never turn it off, merely turn it on repeatedly. It seems like something in the UI just plain desyncs.

This happens on sensor analysis as well when used heavily on friendly targets, which is super annoying as it can get you stuck in a perm red alert with no way to shut it off other than distance.

violentwhimsy · September 2014

Any news or movement on this issue? Just purchased the Dyson Surveillance variant and had this issue in my first battle after gearing the ship up. Very disappointing. Night Valkyrie@violentwhimsy.

Would never have bought it if I had known it was broken. Should have checked the forums first I guess. will submit a ticket too (not that I think that will do any good). No more money for Cryptic that is for sure.

Dyson science destroyer stays stuck in tac mode

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