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chaos00wolf
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Greetings and peace to all.
I have been a devoted Star Trek fan for decades, but I only discovered STO during the last month.
I am a great fan of Deep Space Nine, and the Bajoran people in particular fascinate me. With that in mind, I excitedly created a Bajoran character soon after creating my STO account. As I could find no way to assign her to the Bajoran Militia or in Bajoran religious service (as a Prylar or such), I accepted that the game required her to begin as a newly graduated Starfleet cadet. (If that path of service was good enough for Ro Laren, I figured, it's good enough for me! *smiles*)
But after exploring the galaxy a bit for a few days, which included a lengthy stop at Bajor (where I beamed down to talk to the populace), I'm confused about something -- will STO ever treat me as if I am a Bajoran? Or is my choice of race purely cosmetic for purposes of game play?
While on Bajor, I was surprised that the NPCs all acted as if I was a non-Bajoran character. Instead, I seemed to be treated as if I was a "generic" Star Fleet character who knew nothing of their world and the troubles they went through during the last few years.
I have seen Bajoran Militia "costumes" for sale in the game's online shop, along with Bajoran religious attire. Does wearing either of these affect how you're perceived in game by the NPCs? Or are they simply "costumes" that don't actually affect anything except how you're viewed by other players?
I was also puzzled a bit when it seemed that several of the people I spoke with on Bajor (including a Bajoran Militia officer and a Starfleet officer) seemed to be offering me missions, but I wasn't provided with the buttons for which I could indicate whether I wanted to accept or decline the mission (such as I had seen on prior offered missions). Was I not given the opportunity to accept these missions because I'm not high enough in a particular skill or other type of level? Or are these missions no longer actually available?
I recently read about a person who loved roleplaying, and decided to create a "normal, peaceful village resident" in a popular medieval-combat-based MMORG. Instead of going on combat-related quests, he went around being nice to other players, offering advice, crafting items and food, and roleplaying by having conversations about current in-game events with other characters (in open areas and pubs, for example). The person who did this said they've been well received, and it's provided a new aspect of gaming enjoyment for himself and those he's encountered.
What that person did has me wondering --- if there's no way of becoming a Bajoran Prylar officially in STO, maybe unofficially becoming one, and peacefully sharing the wisdom of the Prophets to those who visit the temple on Bajor, might be a worthy idea that would make the experience more alive for myself and others.
What do the rest of you think, however? As I've said, I'm extremely new to the STO experience, and so there are basic things I still am learning. I have, however, roleplayed in tabletop Star Trek games for years, and I have even posted online a comprehensive encyclopedia regarding the Cardassian Occupation of Bajor, so I feel I'm coming into this idea with a bit of related knowledge.
Thank you very much for your help. May you walk with the Prophets.
-- Lt. Jabara Eris
---- (chaos00wolf)
I have been a devoted Star Trek fan for decades, but I only discovered STO during the last month.
I am a great fan of Deep Space Nine, and the Bajoran people in particular fascinate me. With that in mind, I excitedly created a Bajoran character soon after creating my STO account. As I could find no way to assign her to the Bajoran Militia or in Bajoran religious service (as a Prylar or such), I accepted that the game required her to begin as a newly graduated Starfleet cadet. (If that path of service was good enough for Ro Laren, I figured, it's good enough for me! *smiles*)
But after exploring the galaxy a bit for a few days, which included a lengthy stop at Bajor (where I beamed down to talk to the populace), I'm confused about something -- will STO ever treat me as if I am a Bajoran? Or is my choice of race purely cosmetic for purposes of game play?
While on Bajor, I was surprised that the NPCs all acted as if I was a non-Bajoran character. Instead, I seemed to be treated as if I was a "generic" Star Fleet character who knew nothing of their world and the troubles they went through during the last few years.
I have seen Bajoran Militia "costumes" for sale in the game's online shop, along with Bajoran religious attire. Does wearing either of these affect how you're perceived in game by the NPCs? Or are they simply "costumes" that don't actually affect anything except how you're viewed by other players?
I was also puzzled a bit when it seemed that several of the people I spoke with on Bajor (including a Bajoran Militia officer and a Starfleet officer) seemed to be offering me missions, but I wasn't provided with the buttons for which I could indicate whether I wanted to accept or decline the mission (such as I had seen on prior offered missions). Was I not given the opportunity to accept these missions because I'm not high enough in a particular skill or other type of level? Or are these missions no longer actually available?
I recently read about a person who loved roleplaying, and decided to create a "normal, peaceful village resident" in a popular medieval-combat-based MMORG. Instead of going on combat-related quests, he went around being nice to other players, offering advice, crafting items and food, and roleplaying by having conversations about current in-game events with other characters (in open areas and pubs, for example). The person who did this said they've been well received, and it's provided a new aspect of gaming enjoyment for himself and those he's encountered.
What that person did has me wondering --- if there's no way of becoming a Bajoran Prylar officially in STO, maybe unofficially becoming one, and peacefully sharing the wisdom of the Prophets to those who visit the temple on Bajor, might be a worthy idea that would make the experience more alive for myself and others.
What do the rest of you think, however? As I've said, I'm extremely new to the STO experience, and so there are basic things I still am learning. I have, however, roleplayed in tabletop Star Trek games for years, and I have even posted online a comprehensive encyclopedia regarding the Cardassian Occupation of Bajor, so I feel I'm coming into this idea with a bit of related knowledge.
Thank you very much for your help. May you walk with the Prophets.
-- Lt. Jabara Eris
---- (chaos00wolf)
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But don't feel sad, even if you play as a romulan, which have their own...hmmm....faction, you aren't exactly viewed as romulan, or at least as Romulan Republic.
Fortunately, as long as one has imagination and ignores a few things here and there, we can still experience a personalized aspect to the game.
It sounds like the missions you're unable to do to are part of the Of Bajor mission. You'll need to advance through the storyline to get to the point where you can do those.
There are a few instances in the game where the game recognizes your race -- my Vulcan captain has run across a few of those -- but as a general rule, it doesn't.
If you think Bajorans not recognising one of their own is bad NEVER play KDF as anything other than a Klingon. Letheans, Gorn and Nausicaans are treated as honourable warriors at every turn. :rolleyes:
I seem to recall some interaction has been included in newer missions (Sphere of Influence and newer) as there is an argument going on between a Bajoran and Cardassian. I seem to recall the Cardie saying something like "Of course a Bajoran would agree with a Bajoran". I hope I'm not dreaming that...
As to the Hathon City missions... you choose to accept 2 missions (fleet findings and scrutinizing starships for example) but you can only complete one of them each time you run the mission. It is supposed to encourage replay as you have to team with others of different classes (Tac, Sci or Eng) to complete the full accolade on Bajor. Just remember to pick the topmost mission on your first run through and next one down on each subsequent run.
Jo Cox 22.6.1974 - 16.6.2016
Not quite ... As a member of the Romulan Republic Faction, you have to choose an "alliance" so in most cases you'll be teat as though you are either a member of the Federation or KDF ... That's immersion breaking point number one.
Point two, is that in several instances and dialogues, the game does actually recognize that you are Romulan, but only to insult you and accuse you of being a backstabbing, conniving criminal, not much better than something that sticks to the bottom of a boot.
You may well find yourself leaning towards your monitor and saying 'well F. U. too!"
Admiral T'nae is probably the nastiest, I'm somewhat disgruntled, that even after finishing many "episodes" where your Romulan character "saves the day" (and many Stafleet a$$e$) Her dialogues are still ... less than friendly ...
It's poor writing, and poor implementation, but I doubt Cryptic will do anything about it.
Yep
I know I didn't develop on what I said, but it was along those lines. I don't remember exactly in which missions or times, but I do remember going through missions and at times thinking "what the hell?? I may be a starfleet ally, but I am not starfleet!!"
You do them for one race then you have to do them for all of them. I agree it would be nice to have every single piece of quest dialogue individualized to each race maybe even each sex. But i think that is just asking for too much.
Heh, my main toon is a Bajoran... and he got that very insult on that mission... I was like "well, sit down boy."
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2: There aren't any roleplayers on Bajor, and for that matter, there aren't any roleplayers in Quark's either. The only people that ever go to Bajor are only there for the Of Bajor mission. In short, there is absolutely NO REASON to ever go to Bajor. If roleplaying is what you are interested in doing, then you should go to Drozana.
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As for no one goes to Bajor, That's true for the most part but My Bajoran is always there. Between missions Im in the temple.
You might want to pick up that DS9 pack, its got a few good items in it. and since your leveling the Bajporan phasers will come in handy.
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There's a reason to go to Bajor... in the PvE queues. Riling up Bajorans by trying to root out Undine infiltrators is one of the best ways to get Undine marks, and it's also the only mission that gives you a chance at getting Dentarium.
For example, If you play the mission "Frozen" with a Reman captain, at a critical point in the story, you get a third dialog option you don't get with any other race, regardless of the ally faction of the reman. Frozen was released before Romulans and Remans were added to the game, so the developers were able to go back and make a quick change there.
The Hathon social map you visited has barely been touched since it was installed in the game several years ago, primarily because it's only purpose till season 9 was for "The 2800" featured episodes. When Season 9 launched in the spring, it was copied and made part of the PVE queued mission "Undine Infiltration".
What's my position?
That people should know what they're screaming about!
(paraphrased from "The Newsroom)
My character Tsin'xing
What's my position?
That people should know what they're screaming about!
(paraphrased from "The Newsroom)
There's roleplaying about, not that much in public it would seem these days, and as long as you're not being errrmmm...sexually explicit (something which I believe was a problem on Drozana), a lot of people would likely enjoy your presence.
The foundry definitely needs additional features in this respect, I'd love to see what players could do with that.
Yeah the revamps and original design of this game just seems like they set it up to last for a few years before it dries up. The foundry as well was short sighted as well as the topic of this thread on not really recognizing you for who or what you are. It might just be me but a game based on space being infinite and about peace and exploration begs you to wonder why this mmo is one of the most closed off games I've come across in decades. Even old ansi/ascii text games had more exploration. It seems like a collection of sandboxes you are dumped into for 15 minutes at a time then you get out and wash off and then go back in again.
Although when I think about this it always reminds me of that last stoked podcast where the guy said cryptic doesn't have what it takes to develop the game properly because its an ever problematic issue that always stares us in the face.
One I'd like to have is to check for traits as well. I'd love to be able to make missions where certain options were only available to telepaths(for example).
My character Tsin'xing
So yeah, the majority of the time your character's species has no bearing on dialogue whatsoever.
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Time will only tell!
Case in point is the 2 security officers on DS9. Feds can only interact with the Fed officer and Klinks likewise with the KDF officer. Your allegiance is recognised.
Cardassian gets upset a Bajoran takes the side of a Bajoran in the argument during Tuvok's presentation at the Dyson Sphere. AI recognises your race.
Missions on Hathor are available to Tac, Eng and Sci. You must have one in your party to have the option to get the mission. Rescuing the Azura crew, again you need a Tac, Eng and Sci to get all three parts of the accolade. AI recognises your career.
Frozen. A third option becomes available when you play as a Reman (I've not played it a Romulan so don't know if this option is there for Romulans also). AI recognises race again.
A little more of this in future missions would go a long way to making it seem like your choice of race and career isn't just about the bonuses you get to starship energy levels or being good with exploiting opponents.
"Live long and prosper" as a salutation between a Vulcan player and Vulcan NPC.
Bajorans recognising Bajorans on Hathor.
Klingons differentiating between Nausicaans, Orions, Letheans, Gorn and fellow Klingons.
Ferengi getting an extra dialogue option with other Ferengi (eg Quark's Bar and the Latinum fee).
Heck, even Romulans treating Remans differently (as equals on New Romulus but with Tal Shiar putting them down).
Any of these would make mission reruns with new toons a little different every time and add replayability to missions people skip with alts because they already know what will be said every single time.
Jo Cox 22.6.1974 - 16.6.2016
How do you think Tellarites feel? One of the founding members of the Federation, and Tellar is nowhere to be found. And they're NOT FREAKING SPACE DWARVES!!!
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It's hilarious to have a Republic Romulan act as a mediator between Imperial Romulans and Vulcans. Who BOTH treat her as a Fed. There's an early story mission with a dialog box where someone addresses you by race, but.... I think that's it.
My character Tsin'xing