Since this thread is incorporating a fair bit of feedback, I'd like to toss out the following:
The Odyssey seems to have been a controversial dev design that has largely been accepted. Attempts at armored looking Starfleet vessels (like the Majestic and Imperial classes) were controversial dev designs that have never been fully embraced.
It seems to me like there is STILL SO MUCH ROOM to expand on the Odyssey aesthetic.
The Tempest expanded the Odyssey styling to the Patrol Escort. The Venture took the Odyssey aesthetic to the Exploration Cruiser. The Regent took that style to the Sovereign. There's so much room to expand that line of design out, to provide Odyssey style updates to the Defiant, the Intrepid, the Constellation, the Constitution, the Vesta, the Nebula, the Akira, the Prometheus, the Excelsior.
There is so much room to provide transitional designs as well.
In the future of Trek, we have seen Dauntless, Wells, and Universe class ships. We could start to see transitional designs that echo these but with a 2410 sensibility.
There's a web comic out there which has reimagined Star Trek in a steam punk style called Airship Enterprise. I think the artist there managed to keep the ideas intact despite a transition between design aesthetics. I think Trek lends itself to lots of reinterpretations quite well and I could even see a futuristic clockwork take in the vein of the modern TARDIS interiors from Doctor Who.
I guess my issue here is an issue I have with many comic book revamps: it tries to be warlike. I'm just not feeling it and hope people aren't encouraged to fly ships that look quite this warlike. If they want to, fine. But it isn't like other design options have been expended.
It was heavily dev redesigned and was the basis for new 25th century designs that followed, which differed stylistically from Cryptic's earlier 25th century designs.
Key features include slight nacelle curvature, fluffy pancake saucer, bright hull, and yellow glowing dome. The great thing there is that it's a subtle shift from the Sovereign/Nova/Intrepid style design, which is really what most Fed ships should be: subtle evolutions.
If somebody wants a sleek black warship of death and they can get that as a Fed, why play other factions? Where's the Roddenberry philosophy there? Heck, even on DS9, the characters were uncomfortable with their own militarism and compromises. The use of the term "escort" is a euphemism because Starfleet didn't acknowledge that they made warships.
If it isn't a battle cloak it is worthless...that's all I am going to say on that subject.
um.. nooooo. it's frigging OP when it's combined with the active sensors. you cloak. get to 3-4K. buff HYT or TS, BOL APA/B, active sensors, and decloak and fire. you are essentially firing on an unshielded ship.. POP. as long as you can stay out of someone's sights until the cloak cools down, you can cloak again rinse and repeat.
I'm a lifelong Trekkie, and I think there are few things finer than a movie-era Constitution class starship (like the NCC-1701A). Likewise, the Galaxy had her charms, of course.
And while I'll reserve my "love" of these new Federation ships until I see more pictures/see them in the game, I can already now say that I'm one of the people who really LIKES the new Intelligence ships. I think they've got a "sleekness" to them that sets them ahead of canon ships, and rightly so, as we're decades of ahead of those. Especially when we consider these are a new type of ship.
Reminds me of how a 21st Century F-35 fighter jet differs in appearance from a 20th Century F-15.
I give a thumbs up to the STO Ship Design Team.
^^^This. After reading 19 pages of this thread. This is the most rational post in here. I like the ships and can see the tie to UFP ship designs. I also can understand the need for a new style of ship that pushes the envelope just like when the defiant was introduced in time of battle.
I don't know where people are getting Section 31 in all this as the UFP doesn't recognize its existence. Starfleet has an above board intelligence arm that could make their own specialized ships. There have also been many times when UFP's precious ideals have gone by the wayside when it suited their means to an end. One doesn't have to look much further than our own USA to see how we throw the baby out with the bath water when we feel our way of life is threatened.
We also don't know, what we don't know. There is a lot more detail to be released on the ships and the expansion that will give us more back story and FACTS to be evaluated rather than rampant rumor and speculation.
I'll say this... I like the ships as I do most c-store ships and I'll be buying the pack as we get closer to release.
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Personally I like the Guardian Concept ask but I was wondering if the Devs have ever considered adding this ship into the game http://www.vektorvisual.com/3dwips/grandeur/wip_079.jpg it was designed by the guy that created the design the enterprise contest which eventually became the 1000 day vet ship and to be honest it looks amazing.
To me so far - NONE of the T6 Federation faction ships done by Cryptic look like they have ANY design lineage back to previous Fed Starfleet designs AT ALL. The KDF and Romulan T6 ships at least LOOK like Klingon and Romulan ships respectively. I hate to say this but it appears Jamjamz truly hates actual Federation Starfleet ship design aesthetics. I'm amazed CBS approved the T6 Fed designs myself.
I'm surprised by this too. But as long as the game has fake Star Trek fans the ships will sell and Cryptic/CBS like money.
What i don't get is why they crapped on Fed.design in the first place. The romulan and Klingon ships look like those race's ship's and they are beautiful. Its like the dev team hates fed ships and are going out of their way to change them no matter how much it pisses of true fans of Star Trek. I wouldn't waste money on that ship pack because only one t6 on the fed.side look like it belongs in the game as a fed.ship.
I'm surprised by this too. But as long as the game has fake Star Trek fans the ships will sell and Cryptic/CBS like money.
Oh you are too much!!!!! I have been a trek maniac for a long time. I happen to like these designs. To think that Starfleet would just keep recycling old space frames with new tech is moronic. This is the DELTA quadrant!!!!! new species, undiscovered country as it were. we need new ships and designs. I enjoy the old designs but im not against new designs to progress the tech.
But if you want to feel that Progressive trek fans are fake go ahead. I can accept that you cant let go of the past.
The way I see it the escort is a progression of the defiant design and the Eclipse is a progression of the heavy cruiser design. the only ship I don't like is the sci ship.........that's a saucer that only a mother could love lol
Oh you are too much!!!!! I have been a trek maniac for a long time. I happen to like these designs. To think that Starfleet would just keep recycling old space frames with new tech is moronic. This is the DELTA quadrant!!!!! new species, undiscovered country as it were. we need new ships and designs. I enjoy the old designs but im not against new designs to progress the tech.
But if you want to feel that Progressive trek fans are fake go ahead. I can accept that you cant let go of the past.
There's a difference between progression (From Ent-NX-01, to Ent-1701, to A, to B, to C, to D, to F, to this Guardian, and eventually to J) and a sudden and complete change that really doesn't make much sense... Even if Starfleet's recon ships were shiny, black, and more angular, you'd expect at least normal-looking warp nacelles... Even the Caitian shuttle, Romulan, and Klingon starships have warp engines you recognize as... well, warp engines. Also, these ships look impractically flat, even more so than the Breen ships.
There's a difference between progression (From Ent-NX-01, to Ent-1701, to A, to B, to C, to D, to F, to this Guardian, and eventually to J) and a sudden and complete change that really doesn't make much sense... Even if Starfleet's recon ships were shiny, black, and more angular, you'd expect at least normal-looking warp nacelles... Even the Caitian shuttle, Romulan, and Klingon starships have warp engines you recognize as... well, warp engines. Also, these ships look impractically flat, even more so than the Breen ships.
There is a thread in the General STO discussion where a dev talks about the design aesthetics in the new ships. These ships are different and not part of the progression because they are no supposed to be.
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There is a thread in the General STO discussion where a dev talks about the design aesthetics in the new ships. These ships are different and not part of the progression because they are no supposed to be.
So if I read that thread correctly, the new ships aren't ugly due to lack of ability to follow and elegantly evolve, Starfleet design, rather, they are specifically designed to be so.
So if I read that thread correctly, the new ships aren't ugly due to lack of ability to follow and elegantly evolve, Starfleet design, rather, they are specifically designed to be so.
:rolleyes:
that just hows HOW STUPID they are. Serious who thought that this would be a good idea? No the dev is lying. They are crappy at designing fed ships and they know it We play this game to fly Star trek ships not Tron/ Battlestar Galatica hybrids.
that just hows HOW STUPID they are. Serious who thought that this would be a good idea? No the dev is lying. They are crappy at designing fed ships and they know it We play this game to fly Star trek ships not Tron/ Battlestar Galatica hybrids.
You do know they designed the Regent and Venture classes right?
They do know how to make Fed designs, but they intentionally choose un-Fed designs for these new ones specifically because the new situation demanded an approach that Starfleet doesn't usually do. It still has not replaced or overcome the normal aesthetic, no matter how much you look at it. And even then, the devs AND the in-story Corp of Engineers have the right to branch out new designs, including ones that don't conform
...and just where is the right to call him a liar just because you hate/don't agree with it?
Was named Trek17.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
You do know they designed the Regent and Venture classes right?
They do know how to make Fed designs, but they intentionally choose un-Fed designs for these new ones specifically because the new situation demanded an approach that Starfleet doesn't usually do. It still has not replaced or overcome the normal aesthetic, no matter how much you look at it. And even then, the devs AND the in-story Corp of Engineers have the right to branch out new designs, including ones that don't conform
...and just where is the right to call him a liar just because you hate/don't agree with it?
One I hate the Regent but at least it looks starfleet. Venture was before the current design team so doesn't count. And it doesn't matter if it's intentional or not. THEY ARE NOT TREK THis was a dumb idea and most of the forum hates their design and the lame excuse of making them like today's stealth jet fighters is pathetic. that's what cloaks are for.
One I hate the Regent but at least it looks starfleet. Venture was before the current design team so doesn't count. And it doesn't matter if it's intentional or not. THEY ARE NOT TREK THis was a dumb idea and most of the forum hates their design and the lame excuse of making them like today's stealth jet fighters is pathetic. that's what cloaks are for.
The design team hasn't really changed...
And anyway, the fact that they are not Trek is your only main argument? Well hate to break it to you, but this is a game, and these ships spearhead an operational effort that Starfleet doesn't usually do (stealth); so of course they're making ships that don't fit the standard. It still hasn't replaced the usual aesthetic
And also, it used to be that Federation ships didn't have four nacelles at all; that changed with the Promethus. Used to be they had pylons to connect the nacelles to the main body and had a circular saucer; the Defiant changed that. And yet, these new designs became well-used, and still didn't overtake the usual Federation aesthetic. This is no different imo
It's not a crime to branch out designs, even as big of differences as these.
Was named Trek17.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
One I hate the Regent but at least it looks starfleet. Venture was before the current design team so doesn't count. And it doesn't matter if it's intentional or not. THEY ARE NOT TREK THis was a dumb idea and most of the forum hates their design and the lame excuse of making them like today's stealth jet fighters is pathetic. that's what cloaks are for.
The point wasn't that the designers thought that 20th century stealth tech would still work for Starfleet ships; the point was to give them a look that just naturally suggested stealth. Since people were noting that the aesthetic made them think of stealth fighters before the devs brought it up, it was clearly a success.
Personally, I think the only dumb thing here is that they are bringing these out first. It's making them stand out too much; and making people feel they're going to have to get one if they want a T6 ship whether they like them or not.
One I hate the Regent but at least it looks starfleet. Venture was before the current design team so doesn't count. And it doesn't matter if it's intentional or not. THEY ARE NOT TREK THis was a dumb idea and most of the forum hates their design and the lame excuse of making them like today's stealth jet fighters is pathetic. that's what cloaks are for.
I hate this "does not look Trek" argument. When the Defiant came out originally, it was lambasted by many as "not looking Trek". Heck, all of DS9 was originally disliked because it was "all a rip-off of Babylon 5" and "not Trek". Then there's the timeship (now the temporal destroyer/science vessel in STO). How in the world does that even come close to looking "Trek"? Yet it is a canon ship, straight from the TV show.
Let's face it, Federation design is going to steer away from what we're used to seeing, as these things do. Especially after a veritable explosion of new tech is released after encountering something like the Dyson spheres. I mean, they're practically running on Omega particles. Starfleet's ship designs are going to change over time. Perhaps not as quickly as a video game (especially MMO) demands, but looking forward a few centuries at those "canon" timeships, yeah stuff really gets "un-Trek" looking. Deal with it.
i was reading an issue of current star trek comic and section 31 was using a quad nacelle cruiser that had kinda block like nacelles so maybe this is where the intelligence ships started as section 31 designs and that would explain the need for inbuilt cloak since it is a rogue agency they also would deviate from standard fed features to hide the fact that it is a fed design.
And anyway, the fact that they are not Trek is your only main argument? Well hate to break it to you, but this is a game, and these ships spearhead an operational effort that Starfleet doesn't usually do (stealth); so of course they're making ships that don't fit the standard. It still hasn't replaced the usual aesthetic
And also, it used to be that Federation ships didn't have four nacelles at all; that changed with the Promethus. Used to be they had pylons to connect the nacelles to the main body and had a circular saucer; the Defiant changed that. And yet, these new designs became well-used, and still didn't overtake the usual Federation aesthetic. This is no different imo
It's not a crime to branch out designs, even as big of differences as these.
Again all of my fleet mates hate the ships and not all of them are die hard fans. and yes the desgin team has changed many of the original designers are gone. Byt the way the first 3 nacelle ships was Federation and the first 4 nacelle ship was Constellation. Prometheous is the THIRD 4 nacelle ship made by Starfleet.
The point wasn't that the designers thought that 20th century stealth tech would still work for Starfleet ships; the point was to give them a look that just naturally suggested stealth. Since people were noting that the aesthetic made them think of stealth fighters before the devs brought it up, it was clearly a success.
Personally, I think the only dumb thing here is that they are bringing these out first. It's making them stand out too much; and making people feel they're going to have to get one if they want a T6 ship whether they like them or not.
Designing them like this in the first place was a bad idea. Again what kind of game is this? It's Star Trek thus we want to fly star trek ships. It's like if they advertised a game as Call of Duty but you actually get My Little Pony. You think you be a bit peeved?
I hate this "does not look Trek" argument. When the Defiant came out originally, it was lambasted by many as "not looking Trek". Heck, all of DS9 was originally disliked because it was "all a rip-off of Babylon 5" and "not Trek". Then there's the timeship (now the temporal destroyer/science vessel in STO). How in the world does that even come close to looking "Trek"? Yet it is a canon ship, straight from the TV show.
Let's face it, Federation design is going to steer away from what we're used to seeing, as these things do. Especially after a veritable explosion of new tech is released after encountering something like the Dyson spheres. I mean, they're practically running on Omega particles. Starfleet's ship designs are going to change over time. Perhaps not as quickly as a video game (especially MMO) demands, but looking forward a few centuries at those "canon" timeships, yeah stuff really gets "un-Trek" looking. Deal with it.
Time ship doesn't count because it's centuries ahead of STO so we have not seen it's evolution.
And know we shouldn't have to deal with this. These ships shouldn't be in this game PERIOD. On other space game with a different IP sure but not here.
This may sound weird, but the new intel designs have kind of grown on me. There's just something about them that really says "stealth ship" to me. Granted, they still have issues. I'm not a fan of those long, blade-like warp nacelles on the Scryer and Eclipse, and the luminescent blue color is a weird choice given the standard coloring of the Faeht and grey with Tron-lines look of the Qib, but the rest of the design choices are starting to click for me.
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This may sound weird, but the new intel designs have kind of grown on me. There's just something about them that really says "stealth ship" to me. Granted, they still have issues. I'm not a fan of those long, blade-like warp nacelles on the Scryer and Eclipse, and the luminescent blue color is a weird choice given the standard coloring of the Faeht and grey with Tron-lines look of the Qib, but the rest of the design choices are starting to click for me.
I think most people freaking out was due to the color scheme, honestly that's the only problem I have with them.
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oddy was fan designed not dev.
I must have missed it.
I've seen 25th century variants but no designs for those ships that reflect the Odyssey styling.
It was heavily dev redesigned and was the basis for new 25th century designs that followed, which differed stylistically from Cryptic's earlier 25th century designs.
Key features include slight nacelle curvature, fluffy pancake saucer, bright hull, and yellow glowing dome. The great thing there is that it's a subtle shift from the Sovereign/Nova/Intrepid style design, which is really what most Fed ships should be: subtle evolutions.
If somebody wants a sleek black warship of death and they can get that as a Fed, why play other factions? Where's the Roddenberry philosophy there? Heck, even on DS9, the characters were uncomfortable with their own militarism and compromises. The use of the term "escort" is a euphemism because Starfleet didn't acknowledge that they made warships.
Constitution -> Exeter
http://trekazoid.wordpress.com/2011/11/23/star-trek-online-special-starship-exeter-clas/
Defiant -> Sao Paulo
https://trekazoid.wordpress.com/tag/sao-paulo/
Intrepid -> Bellerophon
http://trekazoid.wordpress.com/2011/11/28/star-trek-online-special-starship-bellerophon-class/
um.. nooooo. it's frigging OP when it's combined with the active sensors. you cloak. get to 3-4K. buff HYT or TS, BOL APA/B, active sensors, and decloak and fire. you are essentially firing on an unshielded ship.. POP. as long as you can stay out of someone's sights until the cloak cools down, you can cloak again rinse and repeat.
Those are the pre-Odyssey 2409 style ships. They aren't the pancake saucer with yellow under dome, bright white hull and all curves style.
It looks like someone squashed an excelsior and a sovereign together at high warp
^^^This. After reading 19 pages of this thread. This is the most rational post in here. I like the ships and can see the tie to UFP ship designs. I also can understand the need for a new style of ship that pushes the envelope just like when the defiant was introduced in time of battle.
I don't know where people are getting Section 31 in all this as the UFP doesn't recognize its existence. Starfleet has an above board intelligence arm that could make their own specialized ships. There have also been many times when UFP's precious ideals have gone by the wayside when it suited their means to an end. One doesn't have to look much further than our own USA to see how we throw the baby out with the bath water when we feel our way of life is threatened.
We also don't know, what we don't know. There is a lot more detail to be released on the ships and the expansion that will give us more back story and FACTS to be evaluated rather than rampant rumor and speculation.
I'll say this... I like the ships as I do most c-store ships and I'll be buying the pack as we get closer to release.
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I'm surprised by this too. But as long as the game has fake Star Trek fans the ships will sell and Cryptic/CBS like money.
Oh you are too much!!!!! I have been a trek maniac for a long time. I happen to like these designs. To think that Starfleet would just keep recycling old space frames with new tech is moronic. This is the DELTA quadrant!!!!! new species, undiscovered country as it were. we need new ships and designs. I enjoy the old designs but im not against new designs to progress the tech.
But if you want to feel that Progressive trek fans are fake go ahead. I can accept that you cant let go of the past.
There's a difference between progression (From Ent-NX-01, to Ent-1701, to A, to B, to C, to D, to F, to this Guardian, and eventually to J) and a sudden and complete change that really doesn't make much sense... Even if Starfleet's recon ships were shiny, black, and more angular, you'd expect at least normal-looking warp nacelles... Even the Caitian shuttle, Romulan, and Klingon starships have warp engines you recognize as... well, warp engines. Also, these ships look impractically flat, even more so than the Breen ships.
There is a thread in the General STO discussion where a dev talks about the design aesthetics in the new ships. These ships are different and not part of the progression because they are no supposed to be.
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So if I read that thread correctly, the new ships aren't ugly due to lack of ability to follow and elegantly evolve, Starfleet design, rather, they are specifically designed to be so.
:rolleyes:
that just hows HOW STUPID they are. Serious who thought that this would be a good idea? No the dev is lying. They are crappy at designing fed ships and they know it We play this game to fly Star trek ships not Tron/ Battlestar Galatica hybrids.
They do know how to make Fed designs, but they intentionally choose un-Fed designs for these new ones specifically because the new situation demanded an approach that Starfleet doesn't usually do. It still has not replaced or overcome the normal aesthetic, no matter how much you look at it. And even then, the devs AND the in-story Corp of Engineers have the right to branch out new designs, including ones that don't conform
...and just where is the right to call him a liar just because you hate/don't agree with it?
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
One I hate the Regent but at least it looks starfleet. Venture was before the current design team so doesn't count. And it doesn't matter if it's intentional or not. THEY ARE NOT TREK THis was a dumb idea and most of the forum hates their design and the lame excuse of making them like today's stealth jet fighters is pathetic. that's what cloaks are for.
And anyway, the fact that they are not Trek is your only main argument? Well hate to break it to you, but this is a game, and these ships spearhead an operational effort that Starfleet doesn't usually do (stealth); so of course they're making ships that don't fit the standard. It still hasn't replaced the usual aesthetic
And also, it used to be that Federation ships didn't have four nacelles at all; that changed with the Promethus. Used to be they had pylons to connect the nacelles to the main body and had a circular saucer; the Defiant changed that. And yet, these new designs became well-used, and still didn't overtake the usual Federation aesthetic. This is no different imo
It's not a crime to branch out designs, even as big of differences as these.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
The point wasn't that the designers thought that 20th century stealth tech would still work for Starfleet ships; the point was to give them a look that just naturally suggested stealth. Since people were noting that the aesthetic made them think of stealth fighters before the devs brought it up, it was clearly a success.
Personally, I think the only dumb thing here is that they are bringing these out first. It's making them stand out too much; and making people feel they're going to have to get one if they want a T6 ship whether they like them or not.
I hate this "does not look Trek" argument. When the Defiant came out originally, it was lambasted by many as "not looking Trek". Heck, all of DS9 was originally disliked because it was "all a rip-off of Babylon 5" and "not Trek". Then there's the timeship (now the temporal destroyer/science vessel in STO). How in the world does that even come close to looking "Trek"? Yet it is a canon ship, straight from the TV show.
Let's face it, Federation design is going to steer away from what we're used to seeing, as these things do. Especially after a veritable explosion of new tech is released after encountering something like the Dyson spheres. I mean, they're practically running on Omega particles. Starfleet's ship designs are going to change over time. Perhaps not as quickly as a video game (especially MMO) demands, but looking forward a few centuries at those "canon" timeships, yeah stuff really gets "un-Trek" looking. Deal with it.
Again all of my fleet mates hate the ships and not all of them are die hard fans. and yes the desgin team has changed many of the original designers are gone. Byt the way the first 3 nacelle ships was Federation and the first 4 nacelle ship was Constellation. Prometheous is the THIRD 4 nacelle ship made by Starfleet.
Designing them like this in the first place was a bad idea. Again what kind of game is this? It's Star Trek thus we want to fly star trek ships. It's like if they advertised a game as Call of Duty but you actually get My Little Pony. You think you be a bit peeved?
Time ship doesn't count because it's centuries ahead of STO so we have not seen it's evolution.
And know we shouldn't have to deal with this. These ships shouldn't be in this game PERIOD. On other space game with a different IP sure but not here.
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I think most people freaking out was due to the color scheme, honestly that's the only problem I have with them.