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davideight
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Okay guys. im hoping one of the art team may read this.
i know, aesthetics are individual, but i really want to talk about thefederation ship design of the constellation and defiant remake, as well as about the ambassador remake.
first of all: i dont want to hurt feelings by overly critizizing an artists work. you clearly are artists, the ships show that. they ARE "eyecandy" to at least half of the playerbase. but i will come up with a different approach for
DESIGNING
sth. not just "drawing" sth up from mind.
Design has many factors in it, and i see many of them lacking in the design of the fedships.
designing is eyecandy, which you always meet.
but whats about plausibility and "a greater design behind it" a bigger concept and the third one "conformity to trekness"
first i want to say the romulan and kdf ships are completely GREAT. i look at them and say: startrek - klingons! or romulans. its recognizable.
But the fedships somehow dont do that for me. i can recognize their origin as defiant, constellation and ambassador, but only because i know these ships. someone far from startrek wouldnt say this is startrek ... they would guess TRON or starwars. and im not the only one seeing it that way.
now to the causes:
1st: ships are to FLAT. they must be overly large so that in this thin metal there could be one deck even.
2nd: their material is to far away from federation GREY. (you know, rom green, klingon red/green/bronze and fed is GREY)
3rd: nacelle glow in federation is: red-blue. your ships glow blue EVERYWHERE. its to much, nacelles seem to be just another part of the hull, thats not good.
why is this a problem?
federation would never design those this. they are starwars. sleek, thin, aerodynamic. thats starwars. like kind of the noobian cruiser thing.
federation ships are practical, they are designed for usability, not for eyecandy purpose.
just want to say, you designers seem to stumble between to bulky and to thin somehow. the avenger was the other extreme.
i know artists have their own ideas, but yours dont resemble what nearly all fans see in the federation. there is plenty of fanart out there, that i and others would have rather glad to see in this game - i know thats harsh way to put it, but your ideas are TO FAR OUT of what is plausible and likely for federation. to much change from material 6 venture towards this. they seem to come from a completely different game.
i really really just "not dont like" them, i think its WRONG even from cbs standpoint. its not federation startrek anymore. people that not played the game for 4 years would NOT recognize that as federation.
now back to plausibility and trek-tech- conformity:
those thin ships either just have one deck, and literally no place at all for a hobbit to stand upright, and no place for technology within them.
lets take the nacelles: how should a warpdrive should fit in there? if they dont use warp anymore - why have nacelles then? wheres the warpcore located? is it build in horizontally in those ships? cause i dont se how they could build it ^^ (look at the old constellation, you know why its so bulky and thick saucer? cause they build in a warpcore vertically in there! thats it! - thats what i mean with "plausibility". your ships are nice visual, but they are totally far of from flyable.
its like designing a nice car for concept, where theres no place for driver, no place for an engine in it ... looks good, but its totally im-plausible.
this point is connected with trekness directly. these federation ships are not federation. federation doesnt build sleek, they build practical - they are socialists (im using that term to help you to grasp the starfleet/federation feeling again) they are not "hey look at me" ...
the only exceptions are the flagships like oddy and galaxy.
also these ships are to ... undetailed. wheres the TECH visible, everything is just flat and plated ... boring, non federation.
okay now to the ambassador which is somehow a fail in the different direction:
its to OLD in design basic concept.
after the oddy why the hell would fed go back to classic NECKS on those ships. it should have an oddy like dual-neck.
i dont see a design LINE in your ships. everything is just completely different from each other.
look at the post tos era: miranda, constitution, constellation - they all follow a SIMILAR base concept, while leaving away certain parts to make a new but comparable look.
now look at the TNG era: galaxy, nebula variants, ambassador, cheyenne - same here.
i just can SHOW that your ships are not "designed" at all, they are just drawn visions. designing means a LOT MORE that just having a new and "coooooooool" look.
the step between vesta, oddy,avenger and THIS is TOO MUCH. (while the ambassador kind of is a step backwards in design concept, ehich is implausible as well and even more, considering the other ships in that line o0 )
i really hope that someone reads this and trys to understand i really dont want to HURT feelings of artists. but i have to say this and i tried to put it as "reason"able as possible. i
ts NOT an OPINION about "i dont like it visually". i can show you books about design that clearly differ between just having a vision and making a PLAUSIBLE design from it. yours are visions, but no designes somehow.
your fedships ,and somehow only them, just dont look:
plausible technically and engineering-wise and most of all: your fedships dont look like its a federation ship. no half-trek would recognize it. but every idiot will recognize the oddy as an "yeah thats an enterprise, thats startrek"
a new ship should have that effect: recognizability even to non hardcore fans. its a good indicator.
to me those flat fedships look like tron or starwars. thats the first i thought.
the ambassador remake on the other hand HITS the "oh thats an enterprise" thing (good work on this) BUt its implausible considering where the oddy is curretnly in design and where those other two ships head to in design. they actually look like they aredifferent factions compeltely.
i also want to say sth about the other ship there, with that ring around its saucer ... yeah fans demanded ships from the alpha concepts - BUT DAMN YOU NOT THAT UGLY THING!
we wanted those excalibur designs (as ambassador remake for example!!!)
i know its harsh but somehow you manage to MISunderstand true fans compeltely, when it comes to federation design - i tend to think its on purpose - dont you like starfleet or startrek ? (which is about federation mostly) then why designing for a game just to destroy a franchise?
your federation designs clearly will kill starfleet, while it withstood borg, klingon, romulan and even iconian invasion.
im somehow very dissapointed about the direction those flat designs go for "federation" or "starfleet".
i cannot say why, but your federation ends up beeing starwars ... i mean that ring ship looks like one of those stations from the blockade from starwars ep 1 ...
(im totally okay with your KDF and ROM work)
my really honest pledge is that you look around the net and get a grasp on theose fed fan designs and somehow study it to GET the starfleet concept better. you end up starwars (new ships) or lego (lego avenger) ... you are to extreme in federation parts.
the ships that should be bulky (because they are smaller they have to to have at least three decks) are flat, the ambassador, which is rather big ship, is bulky (the sauvcer has about 8 decks somehow because its so bulky) while it should be more sleek.
i know this is just a damn game, but i really get to tears, seeing your **** of starfleet ship design. because i cant do anything about it.
i could instantly name you 10 or more fan based designs id would have rather liked to see in this game before those.
the USS HAMMER is just one of them. look it up, please TRY to get the difference.
i know, aesthetics are individual, but i really want to talk about thefederation ship design of the constellation and defiant remake, as well as about the ambassador remake.
first of all: i dont want to hurt feelings by overly critizizing an artists work. you clearly are artists, the ships show that. they ARE "eyecandy" to at least half of the playerbase. but i will come up with a different approach for
DESIGNING
sth. not just "drawing" sth up from mind.
Design has many factors in it, and i see many of them lacking in the design of the fedships.
designing is eyecandy, which you always meet.
but whats about plausibility and "a greater design behind it" a bigger concept and the third one "conformity to trekness"
first i want to say the romulan and kdf ships are completely GREAT. i look at them and say: startrek - klingons! or romulans. its recognizable.
But the fedships somehow dont do that for me. i can recognize their origin as defiant, constellation and ambassador, but only because i know these ships. someone far from startrek wouldnt say this is startrek ... they would guess TRON or starwars. and im not the only one seeing it that way.
now to the causes:
1st: ships are to FLAT. they must be overly large so that in this thin metal there could be one deck even.
2nd: their material is to far away from federation GREY. (you know, rom green, klingon red/green/bronze and fed is GREY)
3rd: nacelle glow in federation is: red-blue. your ships glow blue EVERYWHERE. its to much, nacelles seem to be just another part of the hull, thats not good.
why is this a problem?
federation would never design those this. they are starwars. sleek, thin, aerodynamic. thats starwars. like kind of the noobian cruiser thing.
federation ships are practical, they are designed for usability, not for eyecandy purpose.
just want to say, you designers seem to stumble between to bulky and to thin somehow. the avenger was the other extreme.
i know artists have their own ideas, but yours dont resemble what nearly all fans see in the federation. there is plenty of fanart out there, that i and others would have rather glad to see in this game - i know thats harsh way to put it, but your ideas are TO FAR OUT of what is plausible and likely for federation. to much change from material 6 venture towards this. they seem to come from a completely different game.
i really really just "not dont like" them, i think its WRONG even from cbs standpoint. its not federation startrek anymore. people that not played the game for 4 years would NOT recognize that as federation.
now back to plausibility and trek-tech- conformity:
those thin ships either just have one deck, and literally no place at all for a hobbit to stand upright, and no place for technology within them.
lets take the nacelles: how should a warpdrive should fit in there? if they dont use warp anymore - why have nacelles then? wheres the warpcore located? is it build in horizontally in those ships? cause i dont se how they could build it ^^ (look at the old constellation, you know why its so bulky and thick saucer? cause they build in a warpcore vertically in there! thats it! - thats what i mean with "plausibility". your ships are nice visual, but they are totally far of from flyable.
its like designing a nice car for concept, where theres no place for driver, no place for an engine in it ... looks good, but its totally im-plausible.
this point is connected with trekness directly. these federation ships are not federation. federation doesnt build sleek, they build practical - they are socialists (im using that term to help you to grasp the starfleet/federation feeling again) they are not "hey look at me" ...
the only exceptions are the flagships like oddy and galaxy.
also these ships are to ... undetailed. wheres the TECH visible, everything is just flat and plated ... boring, non federation.
okay now to the ambassador which is somehow a fail in the different direction:
its to OLD in design basic concept.
after the oddy why the hell would fed go back to classic NECKS on those ships. it should have an oddy like dual-neck.
i dont see a design LINE in your ships. everything is just completely different from each other.
look at the post tos era: miranda, constitution, constellation - they all follow a SIMILAR base concept, while leaving away certain parts to make a new but comparable look.
now look at the TNG era: galaxy, nebula variants, ambassador, cheyenne - same here.
i just can SHOW that your ships are not "designed" at all, they are just drawn visions. designing means a LOT MORE that just having a new and "coooooooool" look.
the step between vesta, oddy,avenger and THIS is TOO MUCH. (while the ambassador kind of is a step backwards in design concept, ehich is implausible as well and even more, considering the other ships in that line o0 )
i really hope that someone reads this and trys to understand i really dont want to HURT feelings of artists. but i have to say this and i tried to put it as "reason"able as possible. i
ts NOT an OPINION about "i dont like it visually". i can show you books about design that clearly differ between just having a vision and making a PLAUSIBLE design from it. yours are visions, but no designes somehow.
your fedships ,and somehow only them, just dont look:
plausible technically and engineering-wise and most of all: your fedships dont look like its a federation ship. no half-trek would recognize it. but every idiot will recognize the oddy as an "yeah thats an enterprise, thats startrek"
a new ship should have that effect: recognizability even to non hardcore fans. its a good indicator.
to me those flat fedships look like tron or starwars. thats the first i thought.
the ambassador remake on the other hand HITS the "oh thats an enterprise" thing (good work on this) BUt its implausible considering where the oddy is curretnly in design and where those other two ships head to in design. they actually look like they aredifferent factions compeltely.
i also want to say sth about the other ship there, with that ring around its saucer ... yeah fans demanded ships from the alpha concepts - BUT DAMN YOU NOT THAT UGLY THING!
we wanted those excalibur designs (as ambassador remake for example!!!)
i know its harsh but somehow you manage to MISunderstand true fans compeltely, when it comes to federation design - i tend to think its on purpose - dont you like starfleet or startrek ? (which is about federation mostly) then why designing for a game just to destroy a franchise?
your federation designs clearly will kill starfleet, while it withstood borg, klingon, romulan and even iconian invasion.
im somehow very dissapointed about the direction those flat designs go for "federation" or "starfleet".
i cannot say why, but your federation ends up beeing starwars ... i mean that ring ship looks like one of those stations from the blockade from starwars ep 1 ...
(im totally okay with your KDF and ROM work)
my really honest pledge is that you look around the net and get a grasp on theose fed fan designs and somehow study it to GET the starfleet concept better. you end up starwars (new ships) or lego (lego avenger) ... you are to extreme in federation parts.
the ships that should be bulky (because they are smaller they have to to have at least three decks) are flat, the ambassador, which is rather big ship, is bulky (the sauvcer has about 8 decks somehow because its so bulky) while it should be more sleek.
i know this is just a damn game, but i really get to tears, seeing your **** of starfleet ship design. because i cant do anything about it.
i could instantly name you 10 or more fan based designs id would have rather liked to see in this game before those.
the USS HAMMER is just one of them. look it up, please TRY to get the difference.
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I agree also, they should have evolved the Odyssey line instead of going back to the Galaxy/Ambassador. The over all impression I get is one of hiring one team to start and then firing them half way through and replacing them with a new design team.
The whole effort seems,... disjointed.
"There... are... four... lights!" ~Jean Luc Picard
why should section31 throw away basic engineering guidelines and technological plausibility for their ships like "lets have enough space for tech in our ships" or "rooms we can actuially stand in"
why does section31 then use hullconfigs of constellation class then?
im totally for derived shipclasses. but they should still look like startrek and basically like "sth derived from starfleet" and not sth thats starwars or tron.
the saucer of the intel cruiser is just plain wrong. far tooooo long, way to stretched and them atrial doesnt resemble the basic shape. its sqares within triangles. its hard to explain if english isnt your mother tongue.
the defiant and the constellation rework both are WAY TO THIN. they would only have ONE deck or have to be double size of an oddy so that this thinness makes up one deck at least. thts what im not liking in those ships, they are technologically, engineeringwise not plausible. its like designing a car thats only half high as a sportscar, yes you can design that, but actually no engines and cockpit would fit in there. thats the point im aiming at.
its not about pure "i dont like it aesthetically" its about the fact that those ships are structurally instable and totally out of line with everything starfleet AND section 31 would come up with.
also i totally didnt like the look of the damn dreadnought of JJverse - this IS NOT JJ VERSE. this is post TNG as it was. not jjtrek. were not in startrek aplle here. or I-prise.
this is defenetely not starfleet even considering section 31 deriving designes from basic starfleet ships.
the only plausible design is the guardian so far. its derived, but still TREK AND starfleet-based.
if they really wanted sec31 ships, they should have TOTALLY abandoned the starfleet hull config.
but this is like defiants and constellations that someone stomped onto - really creative.
sry and the sec31 ships wouldnt glow like "hey look at us, we're coooool"
Basically the signature of your preposter sums it up compeltely: legacy of startrek TRON.
look at the picture. i mean, dont you have the same feelings? dont you feel that banner/signature hits it somehow?
Not sure if serious or sarcastic
We still live!!!!! Hahahahahahahahaa! We live and we will conquer!!!!! Hahahahahaaha!
-Roach, when asked about Klingon extinction!
We still live!!!!! Hahahahahahahahaa! We live and we will conquer!!!!! Hahahahahaaha!
-Roach, when asked about Klingon extinction!
Now, the Guardian is another can of worms. While I like the traditional design, I do wonder why it again looks so different (hull material). Sure, it's to sell us new stuff, but Starfleet hasn't even upgraded their fleet to 25th century refit-whites, why are there completely new designs all of a sudden?
You know, I actually don't have a problem with Starfleet looking different in each quadrant to a certain degree. I hope Cryptic tries to keep some form of connection, however.
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Guardian - Want it
Phantom - Maybe
Scryer - Maybe
Eclipse - Never, It's hideous
KLINGON
MaHa Raptor - Want it
QIB - Maybe, doubtful though
ROMULAN
Faeht- Want it
Aelahl - Want it
But the rest, the are to far away from federation design.
the idea with make it more stealthy looking, is not bad at all, with klingon and romuships it works.
They should have kept at least a fedi looking texture and some design elements of older ship, then it would have worked.
Also the not really followed the "stealth fighter" design consequently, what makes the sci ship look very strange in my eyes.
PS: I just wondered the ship i have in my signature, u guys still recongnice it as fediship. Or have i done my work bad too?
Canon ships were trending to be thinner all the time. The Defiant was only six cramped decks. The nacelles on the Steamrunner are very thin as well. Most later-era ships lacked the "neck" of the Galaxy.
Again, there's some variation there. The Enterprise-D wasn't the same colour as the Defiant, which wasn't the same colour as the Sovereign. These new ships are meant to be stealthy; I think the skin reflects that.
The Defiant had nacelles which were integrated into the hull, as did the Steamrunner and Saber to an extent.
I don't know how you can guess the size of the ships without windows as a reference point. I would guess that the Phantom is rougly Defiant-sized (6 or so decks), the Scryer could be in the 6-10 deck range, and the Eclipse could be up to 15-20 decks. It's really impossible to say, though.
If you can fit warp coils into the nacelles of a Steamrunner, you can fit them into the nacelles of these ships. If you can fit a warp core into the hull of a Defiant, you can fit one into these ships.
I'm assuming you mean the Guardian.
The Intrepid class and Sovereign class were rough contemporaries, and they had some pretty significant design differences. Just because there are a couple of dual-neck designs, it doesn't follow that all ships must have them. The Sovereign didn't have the Intrepid's hinged nacelles, or giant sensor "diamond," or visible secondary deflector, etc.
Don't be silly. Your opinion is an opinion, regardless of how "right" you think you are.
Like I said...if you don't like it, you don't like it, and that's okay. But let's try to relax.
not saying ships are "looking to thin".
they ARE TO THIN TO REPRESENT ONE DECK IN SIZE COMPARISON (given the remake of the defiant is roughly the size of the defiant, its to thin to have a deck one at all - THAT IS THE POINT, it would have had only one deck, and you could only crawl through it)
yes, all these listed ships from you have sth changed.
ONE STH CHANGED or maybe two. but not everything simultaneuously. it took me a hard time to even resemble the constellation remake as such.
imagine the defiant in ds9 had that shape, those hull colours and all blueish glow - so now getting what im at?
i see no development towards this design. no path to it, it just appeared ...
im not argueing from a bare aesthetic point of view. im talking about engineering (even if its only fictional) and plausibility and trekness and those things.
the defiant remake is to flat if its same size. the deck would only be 0.75m high, so to small to walk. not talking about the thinkness a hull has to bring around a room of 2meters hight + technobable in it between room walls and external end of hull.
its like politics, if you change to much at same time it will put people to unrest.
If you can fit warp coils into the nacelles of a Steamrunner, you can fit them into the nacelles of these ships. If you can fit a warp core into the hull of a Defiant, you can fit one into these ships.
no you cant. thats what im at.
these ships wont be double overall size of their contemporary counterparts. the new defiant will be roughly same and the constellation remake too.
that means that those nacelles of the constellation arent event big enough to have 1.5meters hight ... maybe the coils of a type 8 shuttlecraft ...
the defiant on the otherh and is so damn flat, theres defenetely only ONE deck.
the defiant has 4 decks. thats quadrouple the times thickness of that ship ^^
sry i can point at the things im talking about. its not only "it looks dumb" im saing its implausible from an engineering standpoint. engineering is not an opinion, it follows rules of physics and its rooten in reality.
they designed a house without considering static, you could say. they designed a car, noone could drive, nor could an engine fit into it.
this is a defiant/sabre follower:
http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2010/116/9/3/USS_Hammer___sketch_by_DonMeiklejohn.jpg
http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2014/079/f/a/uss_hammer___underside_view_by_donmeiklejohn-d7actvz.jpg
this is a hobby fanart and its ten-fantastillion-fiffillion-times better than this (implausible, unbuildable, structurally instable, non-Trek) ****.
here sth slightly better than the guardian (though i can live with the guardian)
http://th07.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/i/2011/229/f/b/your_new_home__captain_garrett_by_trekmodeler-d46x9d7.jpg
or look at this:
http://arcantia.net/www/arcantia/files/2011/05/cbafec4be2pl-505.jpg.jpg
its totally screwed somehow, but its rocognizable still ...
The rom boats look okay. The Faeht is the better of the two imo, though I'm not a fan of its nacelles , nor of the impulse exhausts on the back (I've seen some shots of the back end which remind me of some of the other rom boats released with LOR).
I'm not too sure about the other one. It looks interesting and is obviously Romulan, which is a good thing imo.
The Klingon boats however look great. I love the raptor especially, but yet again the nacelles don't fit well with the rest of the boat. I think they would look a lot better if they were rotated 180 degrees on their mounts so that the current front end faced the back. Having the nacelles sticking out in front of the pylon doesn't really look that good imo.
The Qib cruiser looks nice too. It looks like a nice fusion of Bortas, fleet Tork and dyson science boat. The only thing I think I would change about it so far is the nacelle. The positioning is great, but the shape is a little too jaggedy and angular. That weird tapering isn't very klingonesque and neither is that all over glowing edge which makes it look really fragile. I think it would look much better if only the front glowed as it does atm.
I rather like the talaxian outfits!
http://th03.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/f/2013/134/d/9/ships_of_the_line_2014_entry_by_rushedart-d65bqss.jpg
that one is a lego one and looks quite interesting from arrengement.
http://www.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fscifidesktopwallpapers.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fwallpapers%2FStar%252520Trek%2FStar-Trek-Lego-Wallpaper-Background.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fbackground-pictures.picphotos.net%2Flook-at-the-star-trek-galaxy-wallpaper-you-see-under-and%2F2%2F&h=1668&w=2116&tbnid=EPvVznklPXaAZM%3A&zoom=1&docid=dhUuB96PzO5LcM&ei=zkUHVMvsBPLT7AbWoIHwDw&tbm=isch&iact=rc&uact=3&dur=456&page=24&start=369&ndsp=15&ved=0CNUBEK0DMEU4rAI
(only the preview works unfortunately)
anorther one.
http://brstarship.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/teutoburgorthoviews.jpg
even this one is interesting, though its strange configuration.
http://trekazoid.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/uss20chariot2033cc2.jpg
http://th00.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/i/2013/084/8/c/star_trek_uss_concord_commission_by_adamkop-d5z78i8.jpg
http://www.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fth00.deviantart.net%2Ffs71%2FPRE%2Fi%2F2013%2F084%2F8%2Fc%2Fstar_trek_uss_concord_commission_by_adamkop-d5z78i8.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fadamkop.deviantart.com%2Fart%2FStar-Trek-USS-Concord-Commission-361455056&h=660&w=1210&tbnid=vaHa1RXmTUE-0M%3A&zoom=1&docid=ZeW5yKbVqLPTSM&ei=kkcHVLSGCvDy7AaAv4HwDQ&tbm=isch&iact=rc&uact=3&dur=855&page=1&start=0&ndsp=14&ved=0CCkQrQMwAw
okay now lets have a look at one of the hideous ships of cryptic again - just with the starfleet material.
http://suricatafx.deviantart.com/art/Cern-class-starship-213591117
and BOING suddenly its trek. still weird, but trek.
this is also neat. donno if i had this already.
http://galen82.deviantart.com/art/Legacy-3D-model-Update-2-143696882
also cool.
http://th07.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/f/2013/123/6/f/volga_class_runabout_and_diligent_class_starship_by_unusualsuspex-d63wyyt.jpg
this one is a bit misproportionalised as well but i like the idea of the top deflector engineering section.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-BZORlRrQyI0/ULQ3M9Dnv4I/AAAAAAAAA5c/qIrXPvb9Ig8/s1600/monterey_class.png
but a real designer, and a real trek would design somehow that way:
this ship has a new technology im making up and evolving, it has this/that purpose of, therefore it has this specific "change+add of structure/symmetry/configuration" and therefore looks like "endresult" - now lets make colours and material somehow trek, but somehow new also. =fine.
thats the designreceipe behind most fanarts that are liked by the community.
new, but derived from the past/present (trekpresent ^^) +one or maybe two new technologies/elements and done. its not THAT HARD.
its like the designers here are just "trying to hard and therefore fail"
to show it in detail:
the devs said those intel-ships all launch sensor-drones right? where do i TRIBBLE see that in those ships? where are the small launchbays for that? - thats my design-point-of-view. i dont see that new tech represented in the design of the ship.
those broad stripes frontal that are as blue as everything else? hiow shall i resemble that to these drones in any way? are those drones flat and broad? i dont think. so there must rather be tubes that launch these.
i hope someone GETS my point now. its not about "meeeh it doesnt look cool" ... those ships look way toooo cool for me, like someone overacting coolness ...
My complaint isn't that they depart too much from Star Trek or that they are too flat.
They are just ugly.
Plainly and simply, with an objective view, these kinds of designs should not pass the desk of an intern at a really low budget game company whose game engine and art direction is really low poly stuff.
This is a failure in 3D modelling, texturing, design functionality and the most basic of aesthetics. I'm tempted to call them kitsch, but that would honestly be too much of a compliment for these regurgitations which I hope to god will have someone fired.
It really is a comprehensive insult to put this in the game expecting people to pay for, and enjoy flying around in them.
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You're trying to compare them to the standard, when they aren't supposed to have that many similarities in the first place; you're bound to fail by these methods
And I don't think 'too much cool' is a bad thing, even within consistency or the fact that my opinions about these ships is pending, but that's just me
Plus btw, we only have one pic each of them - it's hard to compare size or other factors without full 360 screenshots or other ships
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Its would be daft to assume that the fed designs will stay constant for 300+ years, so there's going to be quite an evolution from the NX-01 and that is evident even in the canon sources.
My biggest issue is that we've got recent ships (game timeline wise) such as the Tempest, Avenger, Odyssey that all have quite a nice modern take on the fed starship design. The Avenger fair enough is a bit bulky but as a pure warship it gets away with it.
If these new ships are supposed to be stealthy sneaky ships, why not evolve the most recent ships released and create new designs based of them. The new T6 ships seem to have come out of the blue in design terms. They aren't even similar to the Dyson project ships, which are the most recent Starfleet ships to be built if you go by the game's timeline.
I fully understand what they are trying to achieve, the new class is aimed at low detection and avoiding fights if possible, hence the stealth fighter look with the triangular paneling etc. But in Star Trek you have sensors that can spot thing light years away and look through entire planets to see the other side, is angled panels really going to help much? The main form of stealth in Star Trek is the cloak, so these ships have one.
Id have preferred to see some evolution of the current in-game modern look of the Tempest, Odyssey etc.
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I think the "stealth bomber" visuals are here to appeal to the many, many military aficionados populating the forums and the game. Speaking Treknology you are right, a lot of this doesn't make sense. But people are willing to pay for 20th century looks and equipment, so Cryptic will deliver. I think at this point fans of the classic Star Trek designs might even become a minority.
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As for fan art, if Cryptic touched them then some form of compensation would be necessary, if not through the court system. I'd bet that's why Cryptic uses it's own artists to come up with something. You know, in-house.
I don't think CBS really cares about STO mate. I think they're only concered with the agreed cash flowing in their bank account and issues that concern their iconic intelectual property, like the Constitution Class for example. Other than those cases, I don't think they're much intereseted or concerned with what's going on in STO.
Anyway, even the title of this thread is wrong. Calling these abominations "Federation" is already an insult to the franchise.
agreed...these aren the Enterprises or Voyagers...this is a new class of intelligence ships. They are not supposed to draw design aspects from the canon ships no more than a submarine draws design aspects from a battleship.
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