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The free ship give away on 9-1-14 or any other promotions.

manwoodsalmanwoodsal Member Posts: 0 Arc User
edited September 2014 in C-Store, ZEN, and Promotions
Ok. I happen to feel like I am getting cheated here. They happen to be giving away the ship but if you don't have any char at that level.. You can't unlock. So if you wish to get that ship when you are at that level you will need to buy it now.

I know that you can unlock ship for higher levels. As for gift and promotions from playing your other games you have unlocked ships.

So. Why can't you all let lower level unlock the ships and we can use them when we get that level. It making a ton of players just feel that you trying to cheat up ones that are working our way up or more newer players.


So. Please make it where lower level players can unlock what you give away and then making them feel we are all just being cheated and you just trying to please more higher levels.
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  • stoutesstoutes Member Posts: 4,219 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    You only need to claim it once. Then you could alway reclaim it for free later on.
    maxvitor wrote: »
    Nerf is OP, plz nerf
    That's quite the paradox, how could you nerf nerf when the nerf is nerfed. But how would the nerf be nerfed when the nerf is nerfed? This allows the nerf not to be nerfed since the nerf is nerfed? But if the nerf isn't nerfed, it could still nerf nerfs. But as soon as the nerf is nerfed, the nerf power is lost. So paradoxally it the nerf nerf lost its nerf, while it's still nerfed, which cannot be because the nerf was unable to nerf.

    I call it, the Stoutes paradox.
  • manwoodsalmanwoodsal Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Yes I know that. But you can't claim it if you are not at t5 levels. So.. We can't claim it to unlock it so we are getting cheated.
  • stoutesstoutes Member Posts: 4,219 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Eait, what? Lol... You need only one lvl50 char to claim it for the first time. Then it'll be unlocked for any chars under you handle. Its a retrofit, so yes you need a lvl50 to claim it. But you don't have to pay for it anymore.
    maxvitor wrote: »
    Nerf is OP, plz nerf
    That's quite the paradox, how could you nerf nerf when the nerf is nerfed. But how would the nerf be nerfed when the nerf is nerfed? This allows the nerf not to be nerfed since the nerf is nerfed? But if the nerf isn't nerfed, it could still nerf nerfs. But as soon as the nerf is nerfed, the nerf power is lost. So paradoxally it the nerf nerf lost its nerf, while it's still nerfed, which cannot be because the nerf was unable to nerf.

    I call it, the Stoutes paradox.
  • manwoodsalmanwoodsal Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Yes that is so very true... But what about the players that don't have anyone at that level to claim the ships... So. They wanting to give the ships away but we can't claim it as we don't have a char in the T5 levels to unlock.. So.. We are getting cheated. They should unlock the ship and let us get it when we get to the level to claim it.
  • spudviciousspudvicious Member Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    I realize that this game has been around for years, but why do so many people (both players and devs) seem to just assume that everybody has max level characters on both factions? I appreciate that we got giveaways at all, but I do think it tends to foster resentment among a lot of people when they are locked out of something that the majority of the player base is able to get.

    Free stuff is awesome, and it is often more than we would have had otherwise, but unequal treatment, regardless of whether the treatment is overall positive or negative, can really rub people the wrong way.
  • st1701hst1701h Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Yeah, I don't have a level 50 character. And the promotional page never said a thing about requiring a certain level. Holding a big event so they can say "hey look we're giving out free stuff" but silently withholding it from people is just sleazy and certainly not a good way to get those new people who showed up because of the free stuff to ever consider trusting you at all in the future, let alone actually put any money into the game.
  • tcostiktcostik Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    manwoodsal wrote: »
    We are getting cheated.



    "Mr. LaForge, reroute all available power to entitlement generators."


    How exactly are you getting cheated by Cryptic giving away free stuff?
  • stoutesstoutes Member Posts: 4,219 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    You guys think too much behind it. Ships have certain restrictions depending on faction and tier level. This has always been the case. How would a lvl8 fed flying a sovereign be logical? Fir that reasons those restrictions are applied.

    People missing pu this year have learned their lesson and know about it next time this comes around.
    maxvitor wrote: »
    Nerf is OP, plz nerf
    That's quite the paradox, how could you nerf nerf when the nerf is nerfed. But how would the nerf be nerfed when the nerf is nerfed? This allows the nerf not to be nerfed since the nerf is nerfed? But if the nerf isn't nerfed, it could still nerf nerfs. But as soon as the nerf is nerfed, the nerf power is lost. So paradoxally it the nerf nerf lost its nerf, while it's still nerfed, which cannot be because the nerf was unable to nerf.

    I call it, the Stoutes paradox.
  • st1701hst1701h Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    A person, let's call her Sam, is walking past a bakery. She has been to this bakery a few times but has a busy life and wasn't able to make a regular trip out of it. Eventually, delicious baked goods lost out to the need to be able to afford the other two meals a day. But today is different. Today there's a sign outside the bakery: "Free cookies Monday at the counter, 10AM until closing".

    Well, Sam thinks. I do like free cookies and I've got some free time. I did like this place. I think I'll go on in. So on Monday, a few days later, she heads down to the bakery, giddy with anticipation. After all, she does remember enjoying the bakery's treats. Perhaps she'll have to start to come by again.

    "Oops, pardon me." As she enters the store, a patron tries to squeeze through the door at the same time and has some difficulty due to the fairly large box of cookies they're carrying.

    The bell on the doorframe rings softly. "Are those the free cookies?" she asks.

    "Yes," the patron replies, "and they're delicious!" Their departure is signaled by a rather uncoordinated attempt to open the box, and eat a cookie, and use their phone all at the same time.

    Sam approaches the counter where a friendly cashier is standing. "What can I get for you?"

    "I hear you're offering some free cookies today?"

    "Yep, 10AM 'til close!"

    "Well, I'd like some please!"

    "Oh," the cashier suddenly frowns. "Well we can't give them to you."

    With a thumb over her shoulder Sam indicates the door. "But they-"

    The cashier shrugs as the bell rings again. "Sorry, you can't have them."

    "...why?"

    "Well you've only come here twelve times. The free cookies are only available to our long-time customers of fifty visits or more."

    Sam is dumbfounded and takes a moment to respond. "The- The sign doesn't say that." Another shrug. "Why would- Seriously? Are you really... Seriously?" Yet another shrug. "'Cause that seems a bit unfair." Guess what the cashier does. "I made a trip down here and everything."

    The cashier shrugs again, then winces. "Sorry, I've been shrugging a lot today. I think I dislocated something," they shout as they leave the register for the back room.

    "Thirty minutes I should've spent sleeping in," Sam mutters under her breath as she kicks the counter in frustration.

    The customer behind Sam clears their throat. "Excuse me," the man says in an obvious Russian accent, "but you're acting rather entitled."

    "Excuse me?"

    "How is this bakery giving away free things unfair to you?"

    "You were here for, like, the whole conversation. I though it was pretty obvious."

    "How is this bakery giving away free things unfair?"

    "Well mainly because they seem to be giving them away to everybody but me and I think that might be the dictionary definition of unfair."

    CHOOSE YOUR PATH

    If the customer asks for directions to the nuclear wessels, turn to page 4.

    If the cookies gain sentience and go on strike, turn to page 31.

    If the customer pulls out a dictionary and reads the definition of "unfair", please hang up and try your call again.

    If the cashier returns with a form letter from the management, turn to page 59.

    If Sam robs the store to get her free cookies, please purchase the Robbery Pack for only 250 ChoiceCoins to read this path.

    If Sam points out that previously the shop had given out a punch card for free cookies that could be redeemed later after receiving fifty punches, turn to page 94.

    If people somehow don't have an issue with this blatant bait-and-switch attempt to get people into the shop, receive a -5 debuff to Faith (Humanity) and turn to page 117.

    If the cashier returns and stalls Sam until closing then says "sorry, too late, nothing I can do", you've probably talked to Customer Support before.

    EDIT as this was added as I was writing.
    stoutes wrote: »
    You guys think too much behind it. Ships have certain restrictions depending on faction and tier level. This has always been the case. How would a lvl8 fed flying a sovereign be logical? Fir that reasons those restrictions are applied.
    I don't think anyone is saying the lower levels should actually get to use the ship right now. I still have an Odyssey-class Requisition Pack sitting in my inventory from that promotion. I can't use it and get the ship until I hit Vice Admiral, but I have it for when I do. There's no reason they couldn't do the same with this promotion and just add it to the inventory.
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  • spudviciousspudvicious Member Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    stoutes wrote: »
    You guys think too much behind it. Ships have certain restrictions depending on faction and tier level. This has always been the case. How would a lvl8 fed flying a sovereign be logical? Fir that reasons those restrictions are applied.

    People missing pu this year have learned their lesson and know about it next time this comes around.


    for the most part, I am pretty certain that the people complaining are not expecting (and likely not even wanting) to use a T5 vessel at level 8 (or 15 or 31, etc). I think that most, if not all, of them understand the level requirement to use the vessels. What most are asking for (or in some cases, demanding) is to be able to unlock it now during the promo so that it is available when they do reach the required level.

    It's an archaic system that has been with this gamefor as long as ships have been available for purchase in the game, and I'm honestly surprised it has never been changed. Even without free stuff, some people also have wanted to be able to pre buy ships to have them ready for when they reach high enough levels, so they don't have that money/zen/crypticpoints/ataripoints/whatever burning a hole in their pocket while they wait. In my case, I found myself in that position with regards to sales in the past as well. What can I say? I'm a slow leveller.

    Not to mention the people who level one faction and then take their time on levelling the other faction. having that carrot waiting for them when they get high enough can be a nice encouragement, imo.

    imo, this should have been redone years ago.
  • ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    If you dont have a faction toon at lvl 40 to get the ship, you dont need it and probably wont use it anyway
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  • st1701hst1701h Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    ursusmorologus wrote: »
    If you dont have a faction toon at lvl 40 to get the ship, you dont need it and probably wont use it anyway
    That's such an exceptionally stupid statement I'm not entirely sure where to begin. Are you for some reason under the impression that no one will ever again bother to level up their character?
  • ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    st1701h wrote: »
    That's such an exceptionally stupid statement I'm not entirely sure where to begin. Are you for some reason under the impression that no one will ever again bother to level up their character?

    By the time you do, these ships will be useless except as storage

    Think past your greed for a moment
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  • st1701hst1701h Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Why would they be useless? More importantly, why do you think you know what other people will or will not find useless? Especially in a game so heavily geared towards customization.
  • rocmistrocmist Member Posts: 58 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    oooh, explaining things with a story, here's mine (on the alternative side) :P


    "A person, let's call her Sam" is 17 years old and a pub decides to give a free beer to everyone that has visited the pub.

    Sam walks into the pub and asks for her free beer, the pub landlord looks at her and says to qualify you need to show that you are 18.

    Sam points at the sign and says, but it said free beer, the landlord points to the fine print and says look fine print!

    Sam states that she comes in and drinks a coke all the time and should be entitled to a free beer ... the landlord rolls his eyes!

    Sam states that she could come back in a year and claim her free beer ... the landlord says that this is a limited time offer, there maybe something next year

    Some random person buts in and says ... life's a b****

    --

    Seriously, it would be a really nice feature, if you could claim a ship and when you reach the level be able to use it.
    I would envision that, as this is an archaic system, that would be a lot of work involved in getting this change ... maybe a superhero styled developer could jump in and clarify! ;)

    --

    Now for a random tangent ...
    In fact I think all ships should have been level 1 and as you rank you enhance your ship, this way an unlock would allow you to use that ship and the level just allows you to improve it.
    This way any ship could be claimed/unlocked and be usable from the start, ships could still have restrictions but would allow players a much greater freedom ... we are however a few years late with this idea

    Fun fact of the day ... it's not Friday
  • jaguarskxjaguarskx Member Posts: 5,945 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    I can sympathize with new players who are unaware of certain restrictions that are basically hidden mechanics within the game. People who have already been playing STO for a while would kind of already know about the level restrictions placed on c-store ships unless they have never really bothered considering purchasing (or claiming) a C-Store ship.

    I think it is Cryptic's promotional department (or whoever wrote up the promo for the event) fault for unintentionally forgetting that not everyone is familiar with how to buy / claim C-Store ships. Unfortunately, there is nothing new players can do about it.

    I would chalk it up as a "tough love" learning experience for new players and simply move on. It is unfortunate they cannot claim a free ship, but it is not the end of the world. Hopefully Cryptic has been paying attention to the forum and will provide better clarity the next time they do a promotional event that has some hidden game mechanic which new players would not be aware of.
  • st1701hst1701h Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    rocmist wrote: »
    the landlord points to the fine print and says look fine print!
    There's no fine print on the sign in the real scenario. If there were, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
  • admrenlarreckadmrenlarreck Member Posts: 2,041 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    st1701h wrote: »
    A few things.

    There's no fine print on the sign in the real scenario. If there were, we wouldn't be having this conversation.


    Yes there is. When you go the store and click on the ships they say "You must be level 40 to claim this ship."

    As it is though it takes 3 to 4 days to go from 0-50 in this game. That's if you take it slow. If you power level it takes a LOT less time.
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  • st1701hst1701h Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    admrenlarreck wrote: »
    Yes there is.
    No, there isn't. The sign is the promotional news page, not the in-game store. The cashier/landlord is the in-game store.
    admrenlarreck wrote: »
    When you go the store and click on the ships they say "You must be level 40 to claim this ship."
    Actually, it just says "your character cannot use this item" and "your character is restricted from receiving this item". That's just me pointing out a technicality, you can indeed learn the specific requirement from the store.
    As it is though it takes 3 to 4 days to go from 0-50 in this game. That's if you take it slow. If you power level it takes a LOT less time.
    Too bad they only gave us one day, and a major holiday at that!
  • manwoodsalmanwoodsal Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Thanks everyone for the reply here about this.

    Yes I do understand that everything is level lock. But when you get to the ship and some back saying that my char can't use or claim this. I even can understand that. But there should be a way to just unlock it to be claim when I get to that level. I have had this account from when the game first come out. I play for a time until I Get tired and come back when I want.. I still don't have any level 40 to 50 chars. Like one said here that wish to even pre buy the ships.. Or buy them when they are on sell.. But what do that tell us.. No you can't use it.. So you can't claim it or pre order or anything. So if they give the ships away now.. And if I wanted it I will just have to buy it now.. They will not change what they are doing.. It is F2P.. Or to make us get the coins or other things with real money..

    Kept it up everyone.. Maybe one day they will listen but if they do.. It might hurt there money coming in so.. It will not change at all
  • novelheronovelhero Member Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    I saw the flash for the free ship as well and the first thing I thought was, "Nice! I can get a cool ship now and use it once I'm at the right rank!" So I dutifully logged in on the night in question and promptly noticed the red writing telling me I was denied of my beautiful new ship. Wish it wasn't so...Don't see any reason why they couldn't let lower level nb's go ahead and buy it ahead of time, but doubt they will change the system at this point.
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