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Its much like the story of the teeny tiny minnow that was swallowed up by a bigger fish only to be swallowed up by an even bigger fish which got swallowed up by a shark which got swallowed up by a whale, which got swallowed up by a Klingon Bird of Prey and transported to a future Earth by Kirk and the gang.
Only the fish are all spaceships with ray-beams.
The lesson being, no one wants a minnow when they can have a whale. Especially a whale that shoots phasers and photon torpedoes.
I would pay to upgrade my ships to full T6, but it would need to be upgrade pricing. I'm not paying upgrade price for half-T6, and I'm not paying full price for full-T6, both are more money than the game is worth.
I don't know why they just didn't offer this in the first place. Or are they worried no one would buy the new ships which is just silly. All you have to do is look outside of ESD to see this. Players will buy those new ships and be willing to pay to upgrade their favorite older ship to t6. It proves they don't know their own playerbase.
I don't know why they just didn't offer this in the first place. Or are they worried no one would buy the new ships which is just silly. All you have to do is look outside of ESD to see this. Players will buy those new ships and be willing to pay to upgrade their favorite older ship to t6. It proves they don't know their own playerbase.
In fairness (which they do not deserve), there could be a variety of other factors, like maybe they dont want to reset all the BOFF seating for the 13th ability, or something like that. If I wanted to clean-slate things I would not want to sell upgrades either. But I would not expect the customer base to pay for half-upgrades either, or to force them into an upgrade, or do a lot of other things they are doing to us.
Its not going to happen. The devs have already stated that, while they will be making upgrades available to most of the t5 ships to keep them competitive, they will NOT be t6 upgrades. T6 is reserved for the new ships coming out. The devs have also stated that no ship token ships (ships but unable through free ship tokens every 10 levels, i.e. dilithium ships) and most lock box ships will NOT receive any upgrade. On top of that, it has also been stated that the new content and missions in delta rising will NOT require use of T6 ships, so there's is absolutely no need to upgrade any old ships that far.
I don't understand why people can't get this through their heads; their are currently 5 tiers of ships, and each one has ships that don't progress any higher. With each tier, new ships are introduced, stronger than the ones of the previous tier. This has been the norm since the release of the game. Its only logical that it continues with delta rising and t6. New, more powerful ships will be introduced, and most old ones will be left behind.
And why is there all this talk of "I put so much effort and work into this ship" ? Its not like you can't take your equipment and use it on a t6 ship. Is everyone under the impression that this is the case?
Its not going to happen. The devs have already stated that, while they will be making upgrades available to most of the t5 ships to keep them competitive, they will NOT be t6 upgrades. T6 is reserved for the new ships coming out. The devs have also stated that no ship token ships (ships but unable through free ship tokens every 10 levels, i.e. dilithium ships) and most lock box ships will NOT receive any upgrade. On top of that, it has also been stated that the new content and missions in delta rising will NOT require use of T6 ships, so there's is absolutely no need to upgrade any old ships that far.
Sorry, but you're flat out wrong on multiple accounts in this paragraph. You can check why for yourself in the following links:
I don't understand why people can't get this through their heads; their are currently 5 tiers of ships, and each one has ships that don't progress any higher. With each tier, new ships are introduced, stronger than the ones of the previous tier. This has been the norm since the release of the game. Its only logical that it continues with delta rising and t6. New, more powerful ships will be introduced, and most old ones will be left behind.
And why is there all this talk of "I put so much effort and work into this ship" ? Its not like you can't take your equipment and use it on a t6 ship. Is everyone under the impression that this is the case?
You're still being wrong on so many levels. There are currenlty 5 tiers of ships and ships from all tiers can progress to end-game level via the fleet ship system. This was the entire premise behind the fleet ship system and building 5 tiers of starbases as a fleet.
You also might want to pay a bit more attention to the OP of the thread you're replying to. What I, and others here are asking for the chance to use skins at T6 in any possible way.
Why is Star Trek fans wanting to fly the iconic Star Trek ships and fully enjoy the new-end game with them, while willing to pay for the priviledge, difficult for you to understand?
I never said I have build and equipment problems, I honestly have no idea as to where did you come up with that. I even specifically said that I don't mind switching to a T6 setup if I can select a skin from a previously purchased ship on it.
I would pay to upgrade my ships to full T6, but it would need to be upgrade pricing. I'm not paying upgrade price for half-T6, and I'm not paying full price for full-T6, both are more money than the game is worth.
I'm with this guy. The current return after paying again is far too small, give us the full benefits and make the difference between new and old be the new hybrid Boff alone. That by itself will entice plenty to pay for the new ships, despite the hideous screenshots of the few the devs have chosen to share.
I would pay to upgrade my ships to full T6, but it would need to be upgrade pricing. I'm not paying upgrade price for half-T6, and I'm not paying full price for full-T6, both are more money than the game is worth.
Personally, I'd rather have the extra BOFF slot over another console slot. I'm not real big on using all the gimmick consoles, so one extra console isn't going to have the great an impact for me.
I think it's situational, and depends on the ship.
I'd love for my Sovereign to have an additional Ensign Science slot, as that would let me have Hazard Emitters while rocking 3 Superior Romulan Operatives. Contrarily, my JHDC has no use for additional BOff slots, and an extra console slot is a clear upgrade.
In the theme of using T1-5 skins for new T6 ships, I'd love if the cosmetic skin was divorced from the stats entirely. I think if we did that, we'd see a lot more Fed ships flying around, and almost never the alien ones.
Given the appearance of the new T6 Fed ships, I'm all for this. Hell, Cryptic might make more money doing upgrades than selling T6's if that were the case :P
The only thing we're really loosing out on with T5-U is the 5th mastery level/trait (and for all we know those are directly associated with the new intelligence abilities). I would NOT want to have to worry about accommodating Intelligence officers on any of my current builds. Sure, some might want to play with the newest and shiniest toys on their current staple, whatever the situation, but me I'm more sensible.
I don't want to have to worry about cryptic substituting out the correct stations for the new officers on my Tempest or Sovereign just to use them in DR. Hell I don't even want to worry about how I might use an extra ensign Intel station or the option to use intel boffs in a universal slot if that's what they reduced a "full" T6 to. Its a balancing problem we don't need and I applaud cryptic for avoiding it. I just wished they didn't make a verbal distinction between T5-U and T6 (just call it all T6 and the new ships an intel class, analgous to (but with a bit more variety than) warbirds) given how far some people can take the mere appearance that 6 is better.
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I wholeheartedly agree. Let's hope we can use the T5 skins on the T6 ships.
And no to this as well. The design of almost all T6 ships reflects their new abilities. Its a visual distinction that supports gameplay. You may prefer something else but using, say, that constellation class at a competitive level is already an option via a T5-U Fleet Heavy Cruiser. We don't need to bury the new intelligence mechanics under a heap of alternate aesthetic preferences in order for people to continue using what they like (the Guardian class is already perhaps a step too far in that direction).
Take the romulan faction. Some people may have wanted to use singularity abilities but still stick with the Galaxy, Neg'Var, and so forth. Should Cryptic have accomodated them with some sort of option to use previous ships like a warbird? Hell no, because those new mechanics are part of a specially designed set of starships (in order to A. make them feel special and B. to more importantly reduce the scale of the balancing problem). Its the same situation here, only with more unfortunate branding.
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Specialist Boff seating is not going to happen but this may not eliminate T6 upgrades unless T6 ships without it have some other special abilities we have not been told about.
Unless Cryptic has 100+ extra ship traits to add to the T5's then an upgrade to full T6 can't happen.
Now instead if we were offered the chance to upgrade to something better than T5U, say Tier 6 Prototype that also included a 13th Boff ability; 1 existing Ensign is changed into a Lt. universal and cost an equivalent amount to what a fleet T6 would cost would that do it for you?
That is the ship + Fleet upgrade + T5U upgrade + T6P upgrade costing maybe 4000z.
As for putting the skin we want on the Tier 6 ships, there may be another problem with that.
A dev hinted that they wanted to show some love to the Vesta line as well as the Nebula and maybe other ships in the future.
What did they mean by that?
One possibility; Tier 6 Vesta Refit 3 pack and perhaps more Tier 5's simply re-released as Tier 6 Refits and Retrofits or Delta Grade ships, etc.
So they may eventually just release Tier 6 versions of all the Tier 5's with new console sets, stats, abilities, traits, while allowing use of the old consoles as well.
There may even be some sort of discount if you already own the Tier 5 depending on the level of outrage that would follow such an announcement.
The only thing we're really loosing out on with T5-U is the 5th mastery level/trait (and for all we know those are directly associated with the new intelligence abilities). I would NOT want to have to worry about accommodating Intelligence officers on any of my current builds. Sure, some might want to play with the newest and shiniest toys on their current staple, whatever the situation, but me I'm more sensible.
T5U contains no level 5 mastery, you're correct. Mastery is not tied to specialist officer types (intelligence). Reaching level 5 mastery on a T6 ship grants you a new trait that goes into an entirely new set of trait slots.
T5U also gets no 13th BO ability.
I don't want to have to worry about cryptic substituting out the correct stations for the new officers on my Tempest or Sovereign just to use them in DR. Hell I don't even want to worry about how I might use an extra ensign Intel station or the option to use intel boffs in a universal slot if that's what they reduced a "full" T6 to. Its a balancing problem we don't need and I applaud cryptic for avoiding it. I just wished they didn't make a verbal distinction between T5-U and T6 (just call it all T6 and the new ships an intel class, analgous to (but with a bit more variety than) warbirds) given how far some people can take the mere appearance that 6 is better.
Yeah, I don't get this disconnect they seem to have. If you quite blatantly increment the number on a system that everyone uses as a straightforward ranking of power, don't be shocked when people have trouble accepting your reassurances that they'll be on the same playing field.
It's a double-edged sword, trying to capture people with hype while simultaneously downplaying the impact of the hype.
heres the way i see it, t5 ships will never be upgraded to t6 by any route, higher end weapons and consoles ect that come out after DR launches will only fit maybe t5u & t6 ships possibly some only t6 ships.
if there is a DR rep of some kind my guess is any rewards from it will be higher end, many of the in game drops from DR content will also be higher end, if you stick with t5 ships and dont at least upgrade one ship to t5u or buy a t6 much of the higher levels of play in DR will be beyond your status.
with DR we have but two choices, upgrade or get left behind.
this is how i imagine it will be.
save your favorite ships for any stuff you enjoy now and at least have just one ship upgraded to t5u to play all the DR stuff.
if everybody just uses their t5u or t6 in DR content there should not be a problem.
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and if that journey takes a little longer,
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I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
I like this idea also. I tried saying this in a post i made but some people here can't read. I think after looking at the t6 fed ships,more people would rather do this. I know i have a couple of ships i love flying and will do so over buying those ugly non fed looking t6 ships. And if the new content can only be completed using those t6 ships then i also think they will lose players buy forcing them to buy these ships.
In the theme of using T1-5 skins for new T6 ships, I'd love if the cosmetic skin was divorced from the stats entirely. I think if we did that, we'd see a lot more Fed ships flying around, and almost never the alien ones.
I agree with this as I pointed it as an option even in my OP. This would probably be the best time to allow this, when there are to be T6 ships none of which (or possibly just a couple that are left) are canon designs we as fans reckognize and love.
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Only the fish are all spaceships with ray-beams.
The lesson being, no one wants a minnow when they can have a whale. Especially a whale that shoots phasers and photon torpedoes.
I don't know why they just didn't offer this in the first place. Or are they worried no one would buy the new ships which is just silly. All you have to do is look outside of ESD to see this. Players will buy those new ships and be willing to pay to upgrade their favorite older ship to t6. It proves they don't know their own playerbase.
I don't understand why people can't get this through their heads; their are currently 5 tiers of ships, and each one has ships that don't progress any higher. With each tier, new ships are introduced, stronger than the ones of the previous tier. This has been the norm since the release of the game. Its only logical that it continues with delta rising and t6. New, more powerful ships will be introduced, and most old ones will be left behind.
And why is there all this talk of "I put so much effort and work into this ship" ? Its not like you can't take your equipment and use it on a t6 ship. Is everyone under the impression that this is the case?
Sorry, but you're flat out wrong on multiple accounts in this paragraph. You can check why for yourself in the following links:
LINK 1
LINK 2
You're still being wrong on so many levels. There are currenlty 5 tiers of ships and ships from all tiers can progress to end-game level via the fleet ship system. This was the entire premise behind the fleet ship system and building 5 tiers of starbases as a fleet.
You also might want to pay a bit more attention to the OP of the thread you're replying to. What I, and others here are asking for the chance to use skins at T6 in any possible way.
Why is Star Trek fans wanting to fly the iconic Star Trek ships and fully enjoy the new-end game with them, while willing to pay for the priviledge, difficult for you to understand?
I never said I have build and equipment problems, I honestly have no idea as to where did you come up with that. I even specifically said that I don't mind switching to a T6 setup if I can select a skin from a previously purchased ship on it.
I'm with this guy. The current return after paying again is far too small, give us the full benefits and make the difference between new and old be the new hybrid Boff alone. That by itself will entice plenty to pay for the new ships, despite the hideous screenshots of the few the devs have chosen to share.
^ this x1000
I think it's situational, and depends on the ship.
I'd love for my Sovereign to have an additional Ensign Science slot, as that would let me have Hazard Emitters while rocking 3 Superior Romulan Operatives. Contrarily, my JHDC has no use for additional BOff slots, and an extra console slot is a clear upgrade.
In the theme of using T1-5 skins for new T6 ships, I'd love if the cosmetic skin was divorced from the stats entirely. I think if we did that, we'd see a lot more Fed ships flying around, and almost never the alien ones.
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The only thing we're really loosing out on with T5-U is the 5th mastery level/trait (and for all we know those are directly associated with the new intelligence abilities). I would NOT want to have to worry about accommodating Intelligence officers on any of my current builds. Sure, some might want to play with the newest and shiniest toys on their current staple, whatever the situation, but me I'm more sensible.
I don't want to have to worry about cryptic substituting out the correct stations for the new officers on my Tempest or Sovereign just to use them in DR. Hell I don't even want to worry about how I might use an extra ensign Intel station or the option to use intel boffs in a universal slot if that's what they reduced a "full" T6 to. Its a balancing problem we don't need and I applaud cryptic for avoiding it. I just wished they didn't make a verbal distinction between T5-U and T6 (just call it all T6 and the new ships an intel class, analgous to (but with a bit more variety than) warbirds) given how far some people can take the mere appearance that 6 is better.
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And no to this as well. The design of almost all T6 ships reflects their new abilities. Its a visual distinction that supports gameplay. You may prefer something else but using, say, that constellation class at a competitive level is already an option via a T5-U Fleet Heavy Cruiser. We don't need to bury the new intelligence mechanics under a heap of alternate aesthetic preferences in order for people to continue using what they like (the Guardian class is already perhaps a step too far in that direction).
Take the romulan faction. Some people may have wanted to use singularity abilities but still stick with the Galaxy, Neg'Var, and so forth. Should Cryptic have accomodated them with some sort of option to use previous ships like a warbird? Hell no, because those new mechanics are part of a specially designed set of starships (in order to A. make them feel special and B. to more importantly reduce the scale of the balancing problem). Its the same situation here, only with more unfortunate branding.
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Unless Cryptic has 100+ extra ship traits to add to the T5's then an upgrade to full T6 can't happen.
Now instead if we were offered the chance to upgrade to something better than T5U, say Tier 6 Prototype that also included a 13th Boff ability; 1 existing Ensign is changed into a Lt. universal and cost an equivalent amount to what a fleet T6 would cost would that do it for you?
That is the ship + Fleet upgrade + T5U upgrade + T6P upgrade costing maybe 4000z.
As for putting the skin we want on the Tier 6 ships, there may be another problem with that.
A dev hinted that they wanted to show some love to the Vesta line as well as the Nebula and maybe other ships in the future.
What did they mean by that?
One possibility; Tier 6 Vesta Refit 3 pack and perhaps more Tier 5's simply re-released as Tier 6 Refits and Retrofits or Delta Grade ships, etc.
So they may eventually just release Tier 6 versions of all the Tier 5's with new console sets, stats, abilities, traits, while allowing use of the old consoles as well.
There may even be some sort of discount if you already own the Tier 5 depending on the level of outrage that would follow such an announcement.
T5U contains no level 5 mastery, you're correct. Mastery is not tied to specialist officer types (intelligence). Reaching level 5 mastery on a T6 ship grants you a new trait that goes into an entirely new set of trait slots.
T5U also gets no 13th BO ability.
Yeah, I don't get this disconnect they seem to have. If you quite blatantly increment the number on a system that everyone uses as a straightforward ranking of power, don't be shocked when people have trouble accepting your reassurances that they'll be on the same playing field.
It's a double-edged sword, trying to capture people with hype while simultaneously downplaying the impact of the hype.
if there is a DR rep of some kind my guess is any rewards from it will be higher end, many of the in game drops from DR content will also be higher end, if you stick with t5 ships and dont at least upgrade one ship to t5u or buy a t6 much of the higher levels of play in DR will be beyond your status.
with DR we have but two choices, upgrade or get left behind.
this is how i imagine it will be.
save your favorite ships for any stuff you enjoy now and at least have just one ship upgraded to t5u to play all the DR stuff.
if everybody just uses their t5u or t6 in DR content there should not be a problem.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
I agree with this as I pointed it as an option even in my OP. This would probably be the best time to allow this, when there are to be T6 ships none of which (or possibly just a couple that are left) are canon designs we as fans reckognize and love.