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wellyukwellyuk Member Posts: 1 Arc User
Having seen the trailer for the new expansion, I have yet to see any ionfo regarding ships gained via progression rather than C store......Are there any? OR is this a mighty Craptic cash grab?
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  • vetteguy904vetteguy904 Member Posts: 3,963 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    wellyuk wrote: »
    Having seen the trailer for the new expansion, I have yet to see any ionfo regarding ships gained via progression rather than C store......Are there any? OR is this a mighty Craptic cash grab?

    they are non-upgradeable.

    you can still play them, but basically you will not be as effective as the others. think sci ship in a group of escorts
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  • rinksterrinkster Member Posts: 3,549 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    wellyuk wrote: »
    Having seen the trailer for the new expansion, I have yet to see any ionfo regarding ships gained via progression rather than C store......Are there any? OR is this a mighty Craptic cash grab?

    It's true that there's no upgrade path for vanilla tier ships without a fee.

    However, event ships like the Risian and Breen ones are ten console and get a free upgrade.

    So, it is possible to be flying a T5U11 day one for free.
  • wellyukwellyuk Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    No, you misunderstand me, I am not referring to upgrades or anything, what I am asking is, are there any NEW ships that can be gained via normal game/level progression to go along with the level cap increase?
  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    He means if there will be ships you get for free for being promoted ...the Answer is maybe
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  • rinksterrinkster Member Posts: 3,549 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    wellyuk wrote: »
    No, you misunderstand me, I am not referring to upgrades or anything, what I am asking is, are there any NEW ships that can be gained via normal game/level progression to go along with the level cap increase?

    Excellent question.

    We don't know.

    However, as I'm feeling fairly mellow about DR on the whole, I'd say there's a fair chance of either a T6 ship free at 50, or more possible a ship from an FE.
  • vegeta50024vegeta50024 Member Posts: 2,336 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    We do not have any info at this time how we are gonna be obtaining Tier 6 ships yet beyond the C-store.

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  • coolheadalcoolheadal Member Posts: 1,253 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    I sure Winter Event will be a Tier 6 Grind instead of Tier 5. Next Summer Event 2015 who knows? Just have to wait and see not even Sept yet. October still another month away. I am happy with my Risan LXC Battleship, now to see it will be getting a new console slot and extra perks on-top of what I was able to add to it. Still need more console slots I would like to add back my secret weapon console but had to ditch it for something better. Just never have enough consoles slots. ;)
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  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    rinkster wrote: »
    Excellent question.

    We don't know.

    However, as I'm feeling fairly mellow about DR on the whole, I'd say there's a fair chance of either a T6 ship free at 50, or more possible a ship from an FE.

    I kinda forgot, but we don't actually get a free ship when reaching 50 either, right? So, I don't think they'll give us a free lv 60 ship at lv 50, no less! Maybe at lv 60, though.

    P.S. These free ships are generally TRIBBLE anyway, so who cares?!
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  • moonshadowdarkmoonshadowdark Member Posts: 1,899 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    neoakiraii wrote: »
    He means if there will be ships you get for free for being promoted ...the Answer is maybe

    With Tier 6 being the endgame now, maybe they'll make some Tier 5 ships to act as freebies for Admirals.
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  • imruinedimruined Member Posts: 1,457 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    wellyuk wrote: »
    OR is this a mighty Craptic cash grab?

    Always astounds me that people begrudge a business a chance to actually generate revenue, because, guess what, without that revenue stream, there is no Star Trek Online - which is still the most generous F2PMMO structure I have yet seen... If you can get half of the content you get in STO on another F2PMMO (outside of the PWE network), without some pay-gate in the way, you're doing well...

    Take a look at The Old Republic if you want to see 'cash grabs' - they tried (but decided against it due to massive bad press) to actually monetise the ability to modify your action bar FFS!

    Even now, to use equivalent gear that STO allows you to use completely free (aside from dilithium and marks purchase) would require you to spend real money to unlock the ability to simply equip it!

    You want to change your character's appearance - monetised... You want to run more than a handful of instances per week - monetised... You want to use all available crafting slots - you guessed it, monetised...

    Stop being another one of the mindless mob with such inane, inaccurate, throw away jabs...
    With Tier 6 being the endgame now, maybe they'll make some Tier 5 ships to act as freebies for Admirals.

    Yeah, though purely speculation on my part, I had considered they might do something like the Veteran reward where by you receive a token allowing you to choose one of the 2k zen ships for free per character - not an account wide unlock, you can chose only one ship on a per character basis...
    The entitlement is strong in these forums...

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  • wellyukwellyuk Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    imruined wrote: »

    Stop being another one of the mindless mob with such inane, inaccurate, throw away jabs...

    For your info, I was here at beta and launch on my old old account (lost along the way) AND I remember the way Craptic handled the launch (or rather didnt handle it lol,) Anyone remember the 2 full factions at launch debacle? This was the first in a long line of "incidents" that affected my gameplay greatly and somewhat colored my judgement about Craptic. Having paid my due AND cash, I feel qualified to use such terms.......PWNED :)

    P.S. One of my fondest memories is the Fed players CRYING about the fact we Klingon players trounced them all the time at PvP......We told them to blame Craptic, as PvP WAS ALL WE HAD TO DO from lvl 1 to 50 anyone else remember these times?
  • imruinedimruined Member Posts: 1,457 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    wellyuk wrote: »
    PWNED :)

    A clear indication of maturity level right there...
    The entitlement is strong in these forums...

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  • qunlar2020qunlar2020 Member Posts: 281 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    wellyuk wrote: »
    For your info, I was here at beta and launch on my old old account (lost along the way) AND I remember the way Craptic handled the launch (or rather didnt handle it lol,) Anyone remember the 2 full factions at launch debacle? This was the first in a long line of "incidents" that affected my gameplay greatly and somewhat colored my judgement about Craptic. Having paid my due AND cash, I feel qualified to use such terms.......PWNED :)

    P.S. One of my fondest memories is the Fed players CRYING about the fact we Klingon players trounced them all the time at PvP......We told them to blame Craptic, as PvP WAS ALL WE HAD TO DO from lvl 1 to 50 anyone else remember these times?

    I do indeed remember these time. First you suffered 25 levels of feddie bear play to unlock klink. Than did a miner tutorial than you ran stait for the transporter pad. First city looked different than, also wasn't the wings on the B'rel able to be moved manualy? Would like that ability to comeback. In pvp it didn't matter wind or die we got skill points. I stayed in a B'rel until I reached level 40.
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Any new endgame ship introduced will be Tier 6. Therefore, all future Lobi Store, Lockbox, Grind, and endgame C-Store ships will be Tier 6. Also, it is likely they will introduce Tier 6 mission reward ships. As to whether there will be any free Tier 6 ships that are available when DR goes live or we have to wait for the Winter Event for the first "free" Tier 6 ship is something only the devs know.
  • blevokblevok Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    wellyuk wrote: »
    Having seen the trailer for the new expansion, I have yet to see any ionfo regarding ships gained via progression rather than C store......Are there any? OR is this a mighty Craptic cash grab?

    i doubt there will be any free t6 ships that can be bought with a ship token.


    and about t5 ship token ships, here's what they've said
    Tier 5 starships that have been omitted from this list, as they don’t qualify for an upgrade, are those that fall into one of the following categories:

    Starships with a Dilithium or Rank-Up Token cost
    Starships that cost Fleet Credits only
    Starships that are awarded from completion of an episode
    Mirror Universe Starships
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  • bendalekbendalek Member Posts: 1,781 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    You know ... after reading the blogs so far, and watching the vids of the STLV, I think the whole thing is going to be OK ...

    I'm thinking that Cryptic is going to do something in STO similar to what they have done in Neverwinter, That being a separate, totally optional, and totally distinct "zone" that is the Delta Quadrant for level 50+ players.

    You play the game from 1 -->50 exactly the same as now, in the Alpha Quadrant. You do all the reps and all the FE's in the Alpha Quadrant (and a little bit of Delta) and that's it!

    IF you choose to go to level 60, then you must go to the Delta Quadrant to do it, and the new abilities and ships will only be required* in the Delta Quadrant, so if you don't want to go there, or get the gear, don't bother!

    *This is of course for PvE. For PvP players, if the differences in equipment or stats is big enough, then you WILL have to upgrade to T6, but it's your choice!
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  • bendalekbendalek Member Posts: 1,781 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    starkaos wrote: »
    Any new endgame ship introduced will be Tier 6. Therefore, all future Lobi Store, Lockbox, Grind, and endgame C-Store ships will be Tier 6. Also, it is likely they will introduce Tier 6 mission reward ships. As to whether there will be any free Tier 6 ships that are available when DR goes live or we have to wait for the Winter Event for the first "free" Tier 6 ship is something only the devs know.


    This is completely incorrect ...

    The (so called)T6 ships are simply the next range of ships that will will be coming out post DR. The ships being launched at the same time as DR will have special abilities that only those ships have (a bit like the DSD's "Dual Mode") but they have stated that future ships WILL NOT necessarily have these "special" abilities, though 1 or two might.

    So it will be optional whether you get a ship with theses "special" abilities (T6-S?), or just a "normal" T6 ship

    They only thing 'standard' T6 ships will have is the slightly upgraded stats, and new trait mechanic, which most current "end game" ships can be upgraded with. Frankly I think Cryptic are being very fair by NOT forcing you to by a whole new ship.
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  • ussinterceptussintercept Member Posts: 627 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    I seriously doubt there will be. They had the opportunity to quiet peoples fears by making such an announcement.

    Telling the playerbase, that are obviously worried their current ships will only be 'competitive' with an Upgrade, 'We have In-Game T6 Ships in the works' would have quieted a lot of dissent.

    Instead we received a breakdown of how theyre going to pocket more money through double and even triple dipping on the same ships theyve sold to us in the past. While those who gambled/bought ships through the Exchange will continue to move forward with the Level Cap unhindered.
  • wellyukwellyuk Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    imruined wrote: »
    A clear indication of maturity level right there...

    Ahem, were you not the one using the terms "mindless" and "inane"......If you fire the first shot, dont be upset when someone is a better shot than you........ :)
  • zipagatzipagat Member Posts: 1,204 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    wellyuk wrote: »
    For your info, I was here at beta and launch on my old old account (lost along the way) AND I remember the way Craptic handled the launch (or rather didnt handle it lol,) Anyone remember the 2 full factions at launch debacle? This was the first in a long line of "incidents" that affected my gameplay greatly and somewhat colored my judgement about Craptic. Having paid my due AND cash, I feel qualified to use such terms.......PWNED :)

    P.S. One of my fondest memories is the Fed players CRYING about the fact we Klingon players trounced them all the time at PvP......We told them to blame Craptic, as PvP WAS ALL WE HAD TO DO from lvl 1 to 50 anyone else remember these times?


    I do and I remember all the crying about the KDF ships being OP that followed.
  • induperatorinduperator Member Posts: 806 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    wellyuk wrote: »
    Ahem, were you not the one using the terms "mindless" and "inane"......If you fire the first shot, dont be upset when someone is a better shot than you........ :)

    12 year olds on the internet never cease to amuse me.
  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Star Trek Online Advancement: You start with lowbie gear, you end with Lobi gear.
  • wellyukwellyuk Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    I remember that the KDF was so "awesome" that Cryptic was forced to auto level KDF characters to level 20 something upon creation in a desperate attempt to get people to play the KDF faction.

    If you were here since beta you'd know that. :rolleyes:

    I do remember that, I'm pretty sure they did that to offset the 25 lvls of fed play we had to endure to unlock klingon play...25 lvls of nothing but 3 pvp maps (which has not changed to a great degree) - along with the "darmok and jilard- eyes closed" badge they gave as an apology for another woopsie.....
  • bobbydazlersbobbydazlers Member Posts: 4,534 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    rinkster wrote: »
    Excellent question.

    We don't know.

    However, as I'm feeling fairly mellow about DR on the whole, I'd say there's a fair chance of either a T6 ship free at 50, or more possible a ship from an FE.

    I doubt there will be a free T6 ship at lv50 or any other level for that matter, there may be a free one Christmas 2015 but I would not count on that either.
    I should imagine it will be a good few years before the give any T6 ships for free, not unless they decide to up the ship levels to T7.
    I think the best we are likely to see as free ships for the foreseeable future is T5U.

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  • erei1erei1 Member Posts: 4,081 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    imruined wrote: »
    Take a look at The Old Republic if you want to see 'cash grabs' - they tried (but decided against it due to massive bad press) to actually monetise the ability to modify your action bar FFS!
    imruined wrote: »
    Always astounds me that people begrudge a business a chance to actually generate revenue
    Congratulation, you just answered yourself, and won the award of the worst example you could have given for your argumentation.

    Cash grab=/=running a business. If you don't know the difference, read your own post. Or ask your other you in your head to give you an answer, he seems to be right.
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  • wilbor2wilbor2 Member Posts: 1,687 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    At this time i would say a big fat NO to a T6 free ship just like at the moment u dont get a free T5 ship. at the moment the last free ship u get at the moment is a T4 ship. Your wishing for sonething thats not going to happen.
    They need too make money by getting people to spend money on zen why would they shot them selfs in there own wallet by giving away a free T6 ship to every player?
    At best they might be a dev comp with a pod cast were they give away a few but thats it.

    They need to make money to keep the tribbles fed or the game will stop running. Most people play sto for the ships so they need to keep selling ships its a business after all.
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  • thisslerthissler Member Posts: 2,055 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    bendalek wrote: »
    This is completely incorrect ...

    The (so called)T6 ships are simply the next range of ships that will will be coming out post DR. The ships being launched at the same time as DR will have special abilities that only those ships have (a bit like the DSD's "Dual Mode") but they have stated that future ships WILL NOT necessarily have these "special" abilities, though 1 or two might.

    So it will be optional whether you get a ship with theses "special" abilities (T6-S?), or just a "normal" T6 ship

    They only thing 'standard' T6 ships will have is the slightly upgraded stats, and new trait mechanic, which most current "end game" ships can be upgraded with. Frankly I think Cryptic are being very fair by NOT forcing you to by a whole new ship.

    No it isn't. Read what was posted. New endgame ships will be T 6. That's all the guy is saying.

    Any special designation you feel like giving them is 'some **** you made up. So...sure.

    You seem confused and not sure what is going on so here's the link, you can read what the differences will be between T 5 U and T 6.

    http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/7002133

    You did get something sort of right, you don't even need to upgrade a ship to do the story line content. You can use a T 5 ship.

    Peace.
  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    erei1 wrote: »
    Congratulation, you just answered yourself, and won the award of the worst example you could have given for your argumentation.

    Cash grab=/=running a business. If you don't know the difference, read your own post. Or ask your other you in your head to give you an answer, he seems to be right.

    ^Just to be clear.

    Is it "running a business" or "Cash Grab" to create a new expansion full of story missions and all that comes with that for free, and increase the level cap and a new tier of ships to the game, but require the new ships to be bought?
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  • jaguarskxjaguarskx Member Posts: 5,945 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    I would say a free T6 ship once you reach level 60 is not going happen.

    In reviewing the video interview from the ST convention in Las Vegas and some released statement the basic underlying comment was that players are not forced to upgrade their T5.5 ships or purchase T6 to do the new end game content. The current T5 ships are still considered viable for the new content after level 50.

    I expect that I will still be flying my free T5 (or mirror ships) when DR is released. I will buy a T6 ship if I feel the increase in overall performance and abilities justifies the price Cryptic will be charging. I might as well take advantage of the bonus Zen days.
  • corelogikcorelogik Member Posts: 1,039 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    wellyuk wrote: »
    Having seen the trailer for the new expansion, I have yet to see any ionfo regarding ships gained via progression rather than C store......Are there any? OR is this a mighty Craptic cash grab?

    Depends who you listen to. To some, this is an unmitigated cash grab. To the more realistic of us, it's simply a progression after a few years of stagnation,...

    I expect that similarly to T5, T6's will not be given away for free. You got a free T4 ship at your last promotion, expect that to move to T5 at some point and then T6 will be for Zen,...
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