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Let Zen/Dilithium be used in Exchange and allow for old zen ships to be sold back

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  • ooliteflightooliteflight Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    First, you don't own the ship, per the game license you have bought the right to use cryptics property in cryptics game for as long as cryptic chooses to let you use it. They have the right to cancel this financial agreement at any time and you have the right to walk away at any time.

    For the second idea, running the auction house on dil is a phenomenally bad idea. It means if I have money and you have time you can only buy 8k dil worth of my stuff per day. That's bad for you, bad for me, and very bad for cryptic. Right now you can buy 8k dil/day worth of my zen, plus as much of my zen items from the ah as you can farm in ec. That's a better system.

    And no, increasing the dil cap isn't god either, look at never winter where they allow you to refine three times as much, then charge eight times more for everything. Its not worth it.
    corelogik wrote: »
    Ridiculous idea is still ridiculous,..

    I am going to wrap this up.

    gavinruneblade
    I already covered your first point with post #21
    Your second point is valid
    I never proposed raising the Dil cap

    corelogik
    Then it should be really easy to prove me wrong
  • kavasekavase Member Posts: 771 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    I am going to wrap this up.

    gavinruneblade
    I already covered your first point with post #21
    Your second point is valid
    I never proposed raising the Dil cap

    corelogik
    Then it should be really easy to prove me wrong

    You didn't cover anything with post #21. You compared buying something that is digital to something that is physical.

    You buy land, your the deeded owner of said land, it can be taken away from you or you can sell it.

    You buy a ship in a game. You don't own it and never will. It is UNLOCKED to your account and you can therefore use said ship.

    Another words, you are given permission thanks to your purchase to use said ship. You cannot sell the permissions and you most defiantly cannot sell something you don't own.

    That's pretty much as simple and as clear as I can be, I really don't know what else to say. I've yet to see any game that allows you to have a 'partial refund' on digital purchases.
    Retired. I'm now in search for that perfect space anomaly.
  • ooliteflightooliteflight Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    kavase wrote: »
    You didn't cover anything with post #21. You compared buying something that is digital to something that is physical.

    You buy land, your the deeded owner of said land, it can be taken away from you or you can sell it.

    You buy a ship in a game. You don't own it and never will. It is UNLOCKED to your account and you can therefore use said ship.

    Another words, you are given permission thanks to your purchase to use said ship. You cannot sell the permissions and you most defiantly cannot sell something you don't own.

    That's pretty much as simple and as clear as I can be, I really don't know what else to say. I've yet to see any game that allows you to have a 'partial refund' on digital purchases.

    Some of your argument applies to c-store ships but not fleet ships. Ownership is the act, state, or right of possessing something. A lease is a contract by which one party conveys land, property, services, etc., to another for a specified time. But there is no specified time when buying c-store ships or fleet ships. You lose the ship if you don't follow the terms of service or you close the account.
  • bobbydazlersbobbydazlers Member Posts: 4,534 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    there is already a system to use dilithium & zen with the EC exchange.

    what to buy something on the exchange with zen/dil > exchange dil for zen - (skip to here if starting with zen) buy lockbox key - sell lockbox key for EC - spend EC on what you want.
    want to sell something on exchange for dil/zen > sell item for EC - use EC to buy contraband - convert contraband to dil with doff project - if you want zen convert dil to zen on dil<>zen exchange.

    selling unwanted ships to cryptic will never happen.

    When I think about everything we've been through together,

    maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,

     and if that journey takes a little longer,

    so we can do something we all believe in,

     I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.

  • buddha1369buddha1369 Member Posts: 386 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    The only time you might get a refund on a digital item is if that item was changed in some signiificant way from when you bought it. That isn't happening
  • ooliteflightooliteflight Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    there is already a system to use dilithium & zen with the EC exchange.

    what to buy something on the exchange with zen/dil > exchange dil for zen - (skip to here if starting with zen) buy lockbox key - sell lockbox key for EC - spend EC on what you want.
    want to sell something on exchange for dil/zen > sell item for EC - use EC to buy contraband - convert contraband to dil with doff project - if you want zen convert dil to zen on dil<>zen exchange.

    selling unwanted ships to cryptic will never happen.

    I am proposing a direct exchange from in game currency to goods
  • bobbydazlersbobbydazlers Member Posts: 4,534 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    I am proposing a direct exchange from in game currency to goods

    that will never happen eather, sorry.

    When I think about everything we've been through together,

    maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,

     and if that journey takes a little longer,

    so we can do something we all believe in,

     I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.

  • overlapooverlapo Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Anyone that considers Dilithium to be used in the exchange to be a good idea should take a really good look at what has this done for the economy of Neverwinter. Right now there are over 100,000 dollars worth of AD* being offered in exchange for zen at MAX price with no one paying Zen for them. And don't get me started on the AD* inflation in their exchange...

    *Astral Diamonds, the Neverwinter equivalent of Dilithium. 4 AD= 1 Dil
  • ooliteflightooliteflight Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    First, you don't own the ship, per the game license you have bought the right to use cryptics property in cryptics game for as long as cryptic chooses to let you use it. They have the right to cancel this financial agreement at any time and you have the right to walk away at any time.

    For the second idea, running the auction house on dil is a phenomenally bad idea. It means if I have money and you have time you can only buy 8k dil worth of my stuff per day. That's bad for you, bad for me, and very bad for cryptic. Right now you can buy 8k dil/day worth of my zen, plus as much of my zen items from the ah as you can farm in ec. That's a better system.

    And no, increasing the dil cap isn't god either, look at never winter where they allow you to refine three times as much, then charge eight times more for everything. Its not worth it.
    overlapo wrote: »
    Anyone that considers Dilithium to be used in the exchange to be a good idea should take a really good look at what has this done for the economy of Neverwinter. Right now there are over 100,000 dollars worth of AD* being offered in exchange for zen at MAX price with no one paying Zen for them. And don't get me started on the AD* inflation in their exchange...

    *Astral Diamonds, the Neverwinter equivalent of Dilithium. 4 AD= 1 Dil
    gavinruneblade convinced me that a dilithium exchange is a bad idea but I still am proposing a zen exchange
  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    I have not seen a Trade in Ship for Zen thread in a while, love the classics. :)
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