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So how about a Raider or fast Escort in "Dauntless Style"?

martin1701dmartin1701d Member Posts: 18 Arc User
edited August 2014 in Federation Discussion
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/USS_Dauntless

This would be my wish for a new ship for Fed in Delta Rising. It could act like the Breen Raider or the Risian Escort.

Why to bring this Ship?

As I understood in S10 we go back to the Delta Quadrant. Starfleet needs fast ships to pass those distances quickly. Voyager met this ship as an Alien designed ship. But of course brought some of the ship parameters back home.
Starfleet could now decide to build this ship with their own parameters and newest technologies.

So with this wish to you STO developers I mainly dont want to go in details like ship weapons, Boff Stations etc.

Its just a proposal from a big Trek Fan.

Sorry for my English, it is not my main language.
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,009 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    In my opinion:

    1. No raiders for feds. It's a KDF thing, because a) faction diversity (as little as there is) and b) Starfleet is not supposed to "raid".

    2. No need for new "fast escorts". And if any, nothing hints at the fact that the Dauntless design would be feasible for a attack ship. If the Dauntless would have been real, it would have been a courier or something along these lines.

    3. The Dauntless, like you point out yourself, was a fraud. And a bad one at that. Why should Starfleet decide to copy the design instead of constructing their own ships?
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  • tehbubbalootehbubbaloo Member Posts: 2,003 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    a fed raider :rolleyes:
    give it a couple months. i suspect cryptic are going to pull out all the stops for feddies in x2.
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  • yreodredyreodred Member Posts: 3,527 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    tehbubbaloo wrote: »
    a fed raider :rolleyes:
    give it a couple months. i suspect cryptic are going to pull out all the stops for feddies in x2.
    Please not.
    It's already too cheesy we have carriers and OP spacefighters (aka escorts) in STO.
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  • rmy1081rmy1081 Member Posts: 2,840 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    In the Star Trek Los Vegas podcast, Geko said something about revamping the Aquarius and making it a true raider; which is funny, because Bort has said the Aquarius isn't a raider, but whatever lol.

    Also, from what I could hear in the pod cast, he said the Dauntless class will be a tactical heavy science ship.

    As always, I can be 100% wrong. Those podcasts are long and I'm often doing something else when listening to them.
  • admiralq1732admiralq1732 Member Posts: 1,561 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    rmy1081 wrote: »
    In the Star Trek Los Vegas podcast, Geko said something about revamping the Aquarius and making it a true raider; which is funny, because Bort has said the Aquarius isn't a raider, but whatever lol.

    Also, from what I could hear in the pod cast, he said the Dauntless class will be a tactical heavy science ship.

    As always, I can be 100% wrong. Those podcasts are long and I'm often doing something else when listening to them.

    that makes sense since she's roughly the size of the Intrepid. escort doesn't fit.
  • kapla1755kapla1755 Member Posts: 1,249
    edited August 2014
    from this thread

    http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1200441&page=7


    it seems as if they might throw the cloaking treaty under the bus and at least give 1+ Fed ships a new Phasing cloak. only time and more Dev blogs will tell though.
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  • talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,257 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Fed raider?

    No, just no. Goes against everything the Federation stands for.

    Wow people will stop at nothing to turn the Federation into an Imperialist regime. Want a raider, go play KDF!
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  • dknight0001dknight0001 Member Posts: 1,542
    edited August 2014
    Wait are they really making a new Federation ship based off an alien's guess of what a Federation ship should look like based on his observations of Voyager?

    Their putting a Fake Federation ship into the game? Seriously. If it came in a Lockbox and everyone could get it, I honestly think it would make sense.

    So now the Dauntless is a Tac Heavy Sci ship? Didn't they just release 3 of those in the form of the Sci Destoyers. Can't the Vesta be turned into a Tac Heavy Sci ship? What niche is it trying to fill here?

    I suppose it's meant to be T6 so there's that but I know the people with Tac Heavy Sci ships would probably prefer to upgrade their T5's rather than buy a whole new ship.
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  • yreodredyreodred Member Posts: 3,527 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    rmy1081 wrote: »
    In the Star Trek Los Vegas podcast, Geko said something about revamping the Aquarius and making it a true raider; which is funny, because Bort has said the Aquarius isn't a raider, but whatever lol.

    Also, from what I could hear in the pod cast, he said the Dauntless class will be a tactical heavy science ship.

    As always, I can be 100% wrong. Those podcasts are long and I'm often doing something else when listening to them.
    Lol, this seems to be the answer o everything nowadays. If no one has already put a "escort" or "Dreadnought" sticker on it, just make it a "Science/Escort". :D
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  • xxxseadog117xxxxxxseadog117xxx Member Posts: 131 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Didn't one dev said that the dauntless is "inevitable?" I remember someone saying that..

    Other than that, a Fed. Raider seems waaay to unlikely. Fast escort, probably.
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  • coffeemikecoffeemike Member Posts: 942 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Well if the producers of ST: ENT used the Dauntless in the Enterprise-J sequence... why not? I'm more worried of what happens when the Sphere Builders are brought in-game.

    As for the Dauntless being too science-heavy... yeah, I'm curious how this will be presented based on the fact that we have Dyson Sci Destroyers & Vesta Class starships.
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  • martin1701dmartin1701d Member Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    So these two Jupiter and Typhoon ships are getting supported. I have never seen such an ugly looking ship like the Jupiter. And they are not more needed for variety than for example another escort.

    Perhaps the idea of a Fed raider was stupid. But we have so many cryptic creations here. And come on some of them look really strange and not trek like. Especially with the Voyager coined new season, this ship would be great in this game. But i start thinking i am one of less gamers with this wish.

    Never thought a "Dauntless" ship is getting only negative feedback.
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  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    kapla1755 wrote: »
    from this thread

    http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1200441&page=7


    it seems as if they might throw the cloaking treaty under the bus and at least give 1+ Fed ships a new Phasing cloak. only time and more Dev blogs will tell though.

    They're going to give Feds Phasing Cloak?

    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

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    Oh God, my diaphragm hurts :D It's one of the biggest recurring jokes on these boards for so long.

    I guess, it makes sense.

    We have Dinosaurs that shoot lasers from their heads.

    We have Starfleet, KDF, Romulan Navies flying around in non-faction ships.

    The Romulans are now flower picking, epohh licking space hippies (Herbert!).

    We have Borg that are as powerful and threatening as the ants we step on.

    We can fly around in 8472 BIO SHIPS.

    We have Starfleet acting like idiots.

    LOL, it just all goes together, in the end, I guess :D

    I wonder what else X2 would bring. Maybe X-Wing Fighters.
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  • simeion1simeion1 Member Posts: 898 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    A raider. I would have to say no to the federation. It is not what they are about. There is away to give a ship like the Aquarius the bonus of a raider. New ship class for the fed called a fast attack escort.
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  • simeion1simeion1 Member Posts: 898 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    coffeemike wrote: »
    Well if the producers of ST: ENT used the Dauntless in the Enterprise-J sequence... why not? I'm more worried of what happens when the Sphere Builders are brought in-game.

    As for the Dauntless being too science-heavy... yeah, I'm curious how this will be presented based on the fact that we have Dyson Sci Destroyers & Vesta Class starships.

    Support the Dauntless more of a cruiser/science ship.
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  • davidwforddavidwford Member Posts: 1,836 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    simeion1 wrote: »
    Support the Dauntless more of a cruiser/science ship.

    That is what it is more likely to be. What on screen would make anyone think the Dauntless would be an escort or raider? That is just pure fantasy on behalf of the max/min power gamers. Make it a cruiser with sci? Possibly, but the ship does not have the space for a huge crew as observed in "Hope and Fear" (Voy). Science with a very heavy engineering bent is the most likely as the Nova/Rhode Island fills the Sci/Tac role (The Nebula is eng heavy, but it really should be a flex-ship).
  • martin1701dmartin1701d Member Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    davidwford wrote: »
    That is what it is more likely to be. What on screen would make anyone think the Dauntless would be an escort or raider? That is just pure fantasy on behalf of the max/min power gamers. Make it a cruiser with sci? Possibly, but the ship does not have the space for a huge crew as observed in "Hope and Fear" (Voy). Science with a very heavy engineering bent is the most likely as the Nova/Rhode Island fills the Sci/Tac role (The Nebula is eng heavy, but it really should be a flex-ship).

    Very good idea.
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  • reginamala78reginamala78 Member Posts: 4,593 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    The MSD for the Dauntless shows thats its a tiny ship, 5 decks plus some ancillary space. Definitely not a cruiser.
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  • orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    edalgo wrote: »
    No you are right it was a Dauntless class in the 26th century. There were 2 ships in the shot a Promethious and a Dauntless.

    Perhaps with the expansion of slip stream technology Starfleet looked toward the design of the ship that introduced slipstream to Voyager. The design already having been proved to work.
    Tier 8 Dauntless & Prometheus retrofits to boot. ;)

    And I think the Prometheus was an Antiproton beam boat...
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  • mrbucbuckmrbucbuck Member Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    tehbubbaloo wrote: »
    a fed raider :rolleyes:
    give it a couple months. i suspect cryptic are going to pull out all the stops for feddies in x2.

    That'll be the day.....:cool:
  • mrbucbuckmrbucbuck Member Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    warmaker001b wrote: »
    They're going to give Feds Phasing Cloak?

    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

    x20

    Oh God, my diaphragm hurts :D It's one of the biggest recurring jokes on these boards for so long.

    I guess, it makes sense.

    We have Dinosaurs that shoot lasers from their heads.

    We have Starfleet, KDF, Romulan Navies flying around in non-faction ships.

    The Romulans are now flower picking, epohh licking space hippies (Herbert!).

    We have Borg that are as powerful and threatening as the ants we step on.

    We can fly around in 8472 BIO SHIPS.

    We have Starfleet acting like idiots.

    LOL, it just all goes together, in the end, I guess :D

    I wonder what else X2 would bring. Maybe X-Wing Fighters.

    So with that said....why not "Be" a Federation thats at war with everyone who's anyone....lol.
    Let's get back to "Exploration".....yeah right, hard to do when every other faction puts a bullseye on your back. No worries though, if there's any power creep toward the feddies....that will surely start a war on all fronts. It is, as it has always been.....crytic wants the money...p-e-r-i-o-d. I know, they got a large sum of mine..lol. Oh, Rommies picking flowers...that was just plain wrong!
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