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nymysys1nymysys1 Member Posts: 1 Arc User
Before season 9.5, you could level a character fed side without firing a shot by doing the non-combat exploration cluster missions (easy to know which was which if you had done enough of them) and/or patrol missions until level 4, then History 101/102 dailies to 11, then doffing the rest of the way.

Today I made a new character to see if I could figure out away to get to level 4 without firing a shot after the removal of the exploration clusters. Skipped the tutorial. Cannot recall if the Boothby accolade gave XP, but did it first anyway, as well as the three equipment missions before your offered Stranded in Space. Did Beytan and Pellme System Patrols (peaceful). Now I am stuck at 14,286 skill points, with 714 needed for level 4.

Anything I am missing? Keep in mind that while a mission may involve no combat, I may not have access to it at this low level (like other sector block system patrols). I could do it again with an XP boost on.
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  • coupaholiccoupaholic Member Posts: 2,188 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    I tip my hat to you, it's an idea I thought long and hard about attempting myself but have yet to go through with it.

    I got as far as asking the same question in the Foundry area, since the only other way I could think of getting EXP before doffing was unlocked was to use Foundry.

    Here is the thread. I basically asked if there was such things as peaceful Foundry missions and a few posters left some choices. Combined with the Officer Reports daily (which I'm still not sure when it's unlocked, but I think it is pretty early on) you could net some decent EXP.

    Hope it helps, good luck!
  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Well I suppose you could do Duty Officer missions for peaceful leveling... And there are still a handful of non-combat missions out there.

    But yes... Starfleet is now a full-blown military.

    That said: Wait for x2... Chances are there will be non-com missions in that.
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  • ashkrik23ashkrik23 Member Posts: 10,809 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    You must have the patience of the century to level 1-50 via non-combat missions.
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  • dirlettiadirlettia Member Posts: 1,632 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    You could always wait until the winter event then anniversary event to try and gain enough xp, or just team up and let somebody else do all the shooting until you can do doff missions :D

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  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    ashkrik23 wrote: »
    You must have the patience of the century to level 1-50 via non-combat missions.

    It actually wasn't that bad... The Exploration sectors made it possible, though obviously it took more time than running the regular missions.
    Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
    Let me put the rumors to rest: it's definitely still the C-Store (Cryptic Store) It just takes ZEN.
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  • rearllrearll Member Posts: 87 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    I managed to get my fed toon to lvl 50, at lvl 42 on the story line due to duty officer assignments.
  • nymysys1nymysys1 Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    coupaholic wrote: »
    I tip my hat to you, it's an idea I thought long and hard about attempting myself but have yet to go through with it.

    I got as far as asking the same question in the Foundry area, since the only other way I could think of getting EXP before doffing was unlocked was to use Foundry.

    Here is the thread. I basically asked if there was such things as peaceful Foundry missions and a few posters left some choices. Combined with the Officer Reports daily (which I'm still not sure when it's unlocked, but I think it is pretty early on) you could net some decent EXP.

    Hope it helps, good luck!

    Thanks! Yeah, I figured the Foundry would have something in it, but my admittedly brief attempt at searching for something appropriate found zilch.
    anazonda wrote: »
    Well I suppose you could do Duty Officer missions for peaceful leveling... And there are still a handful of non-combat missions out there.

    But to get to Doffs, I need to be level 11. I can get from 4 to 11 peacefully (though slowly) by doing History 101/102 at SFA. However, I need to be level 4 to have the History missions open up.
    ashkrik23 wrote: »
    You must have the patience of the century to level 1-50 via non-combat missions.

    Its not that bad, not my only character of course. I leveled my first VA almost exclusively through exploration cluster grinding, and another 50 on Tribble the same way testing the doffing system when it came out. Got to know what kind of mission it was going to be as soon as the first dialog came up on the screen.
  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    anazonda wrote: »
    That said: Wait for x2... Chances are there will be non-com missions in that.

    I wouldn't bet on that. They're not bringing exploration back. They removed diplomacy. They actually have reduced the available DOFFing content after 9.5. They commented that some of the expansion content is being held back for after release.

    I just am not hopeful that the status quo of 9.5 will change much at all in terms of non combat options.
    ashkrik23 wrote: »
    You must have the patience of the century to level 1-50 via non-combat missions.

    As stated above, prior to 9.5 it was pretty easy.
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  • ralphgraphiteralphgraphite Member Posts: 628 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Have you done the diplomatic mission on Vulcan? That should earn you a little more XP. Pretty sure that one's available right away, and doesn't involve combat.

    There's helping Brocal (sp?) on SB-39 with the Trade Conference as well - but I think you need to be a certain level or distance along in the story chain to get that one. A few on DS9/Bajor, but almost certain those are level/storyline locked.

    It's really too bad they turfed out the 5 diplomatic mission on Memory Alpha. The game needs more non-combat missions (if only quick ones like the Trade Conference etc). For those who want to have not violent character(s), and even to just expand the universe of those who don't care either way.
  • mightybobcncmightybobcnc Member Posts: 3,354 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    I wouldn't bet on that. They're not bringing exploration back. They removed diplomacy. They actually have reduced the available DOFFing content after 9.5. They commented that some of the expansion content is being held back for after release.

    Additionally, X2 content is probably all for level 50+ which isn't going to help him level a lowbie character anyway.

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  • coupaholiccoupaholic Member Posts: 2,188 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Additionally, X2 content is probably all for level 50+ which isn't going to help him level a lowbie character anyway.

    True.

    It's kinda annoying really that the Dyson Sphere and New Romulus are locked away until the endgame since both offer all sorts of non-violent options for experience. Even STFs are possible, just turn up in a full support ship and spend time tanking and healing, and leave the DPS to everyone else.
  • nymysys1nymysys1 Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Have you done the diplomatic mission on Vulcan? That should earn you a little more XP. Pretty sure that one's available right away, and doesn't involve combat.

    There's helping Brocal (sp?) on SB-39 with the Trade Conference as well - but I think you need to be a certain level or distance along in the story chain to get that one. A few on DS9/Bajor, but almost certain those are level/storyline locked.

    It's really too bad they turfed out the 5 diplomatic mission on Memory Alpha. The game needs more non-combat missions (if only quick ones like the Trade Conference etc). For those who want to have not violent character(s), and even to just expand the universe of those who don't care either way.

    I forgot Ancestral Sin, but that's only 260 skill points. However, it may be repeatable. I will test it to see.
  • rodentmasterrodentmaster Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    If it is the mission that grants 50 diplo XP, it is 1-time use.

    The old ways of levelling up I can all think of are gone. You could talk to egg-head on ESD and go deliver something to Memory Alpha -- oh, wait. That's gone.

    You could go explore clusters -- oh, wait... Never mind.

    You could... oh.. wait.


    I'm running out of things to list. Cryptic is doing their damnedest to kill off that part of the game. At your level do you have access to the Foundry missions? It might be your best bet.
  • nymysys1nymysys1 Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    If it is the mission that grants 50 diplo XP, it is 1-time use.

    I'm running out of things to list. Cryptic is doing their damnedest to kill off that part of the game. At your level do you have access to the Foundry missions? It might be your best bet.

    Yep, just tested "Ancestral Sin", one time mission and not enough to get me over the hump. Looks like two Foundry missions from Kirkspalt mentioned in the thread coupaholic linked will do; if you wanted to do it on pure Cryptic content, then you will need to do what I already mentioned on an XP boost.
  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    anazonda wrote: »
    Well I suppose you could do Duty Officer missions for peaceful leveling... And there are still a handful of non-combat missions out there.

    But yes... Starfleet is now a full-blown military.

    That said: Wait for x2... Chances are there will be non-com missions in that.

    I wonder if there are canonically any Starfleet Captains that have never had a fight till they made Captain. In fact, it seems unikely - at least if you're given command of a starship with heavy firepower. Not sure if there are unarmed freighters as part of Starfleet.

    If you never shown your ability to work in a combat environment and use this firepower correctly, would you really have a chance to qualify for such a post?

    I suppose the minimum would be combat training missions on the Holodeck or a bridge simulator.
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  • kirksplatkirksplat Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    nymysys1 wrote: »
    Before season 9.5, you could level a character fed side without firing a shot by doing the non-combat exploration cluster missions (easy to know which was which if you had done enough of them) and/or patrol missions until level 4, then History 101/102 dailies to 11, then doffing the rest of the way.

    Today I made a new character to see if I could figure out away to get to level 4 without firing a shot after the removal of the exploration clusters. Skipped the tutorial. Cannot recall if the Boothby accolade gave XP, but did it first anyway, as well as the three equipment missions before your offered Stranded in Space. Did Beytan and Pellme System Patrols (peaceful). Now I am stuck at 14,286 skill points, with 714 needed for level 4.

    Anything I am missing? Keep in mind that while a mission may involve no combat, I may not have access to it at this low level (like other sector block system patrols). I could do it again with an XP boost on.

    I have 3 non-combat foundry missions that should get you enough xp, plus use the "investigate officer daily" which is repeatable. I can't remember what level you need to get to in order to access Foundry, but if you can play these, it will help:

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    Explore Delta Volanis Mission 1
    The Needs of the Few

    See also "Forget Me Not" spotlight by SovereignX77 and Hippyjohn's new explore delta volanis mission.
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  • nymysys1nymysys1 Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    kirksplat wrote: »
    I have 3 non-combat foundry missions that should get you enough xp, plus use the "investigate officer daily" which is repeatable. I can't remember what level you need to get to in order to access Foundry, but if you can play these, it will help:

    by kirkfat

    The Return to Terra Nova
    Explore Delta Volanis Mission 1
    The Needs of the Few

    See also "Forget Me Not" spotlight by SovereignX77 and Hippyjohn's new explore delta volanis mission.

    Yep, doing Return now, thanks!
  • nymysys1nymysys1 Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    I wonder if there are canonically any Starfleet Captains that have never had a fight till they made Captain. In fact, it seems unikely - at least if you're given command of a starship with heavy firepower. Not sure if there are unarmed freighters as part of Starfleet.

    If you never shown your ability to work in a combat environment and use this firepower correctly, would you really have a chance to qualify for such a post?

    I suppose the minimum would be combat training missions on the Holodeck or a bridge simulator.

    You are quite right, every captain would have tactical training at the least, but they may not have the need to use it. I suspect many captains in canon are like that.

    I am not trying to be a true pacifist; I have made a Vulcan tac that will be a true blue isolationist, and will never be in a ship that's not a Vulcan design or a class with a Vulcan name; trying to see the best a D'kyr can do damage wise will be interesting.
  • kirksplatkirksplat Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    nymysys1 wrote: »
    Yep, doing Return now, thanks!

    Here is a few more I found in the Foundry UI

    "Shoreleave Under Siege" by JohnnySnowball
    "Your Mission Has Ended" by Isthisscience
    "The Galaxy's Fair" by Zorbane
    "A World Lost In Time" by AdmiralMurphy
    "Hidden Intelligence" by Bazag
    "Ghosts of the Polmar Rae" by Bazag
    "Uncharted Worlds 3" by patcrow

    These missions were found by searching "non-combat." It is possible though that an author labeled it non-combat because it was 95% story, with one fight thrown in. So, I can't guarantee that you won't fire a gun.
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  • rodentmasterrodentmaster Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    As far as "not needing" to fight before you're a captain of a starship? I seriously doubt it. Starships are a relatively rare and expensive commodity involving Billions of dollars of development for each one -- if they still used money, that is -- and of the thousands of starships potentially available for new captains, there can be BILLIONS of potential captains on countless Federation worlds waiting for their chance to command one.

    Only those that stand out will be given command. Only those that have the extra-curricular on their V.C. will be given the promotion.

    In short, when you have a guy that's been through battle and come out the better for it, and you have 100 guys that never have set foot in space, which would YOU prioritize for promotion?


    It's somewhat Darwinistic in nature. Those that HAVE the capability will have PROVEN they have it in some way, and will be moved into the fast-track.


    Thus, IMO, no real captain would reach captain and be given a ship without a minimum level of direct experience.
  • bernatkbernatk Member Posts: 1,089 Bug Hunter
    edited August 2014
    I wonder if there are canonically any Starfleet Captains that have never had a fight till they made Captain. In fact, it seems unikely - at least if you're given command of a starship with heavy firepower. Not sure if there are unarmed freighters as part of Starfleet.

    If you never shown your ability to work in a combat environment and use this firepower correctly, would you really have a chance to qualify for such a post?

    I suppose the minimum would be combat training missions on the Holodeck or a bridge simulator.

    Yep, and even there's a test for commanding officers to send a subordinate into his/her certain death.

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