If the concept art is any indication, I'll probably stick with/upgrade my current ships. I just hope the 'super-neghvar' is part of the same chasis so parts can be mixed and matched.
(Fed and KDF concepts had a very Dyson Science Destroyer vibe to them; Rom looked like a rigid/hard-edged cross between a Dhelen and To'duj fighter.)
If I told you I was convinced a ladder was going to break, and I STILL use the ladder to climb a tree, what does that make me?
Desperate for a ladder... I gave up on STO a while ago and just using it for time fill until something else comes along. I even still give them money sometimes. But if I have to replace all my ships and gear to be competitive with other players in PVP I'll find something else to do instead.
All the new levels are purely arbitrary. They are not necessary for anything. T6 ships and Mk XIV gear are there to extract $$ from players, nothing else.
Anybody who thinks there is any chance that the existing assets wont be obsoleted hasnt been paying attention. Look at Vesta and Avenger and Patrol Escort Refit obsoleting most of the other ships in their classes, no consideration or compensation or rebalancing. Look at Patrol Escort Refit rollout and how Cryptic treated customers who had previously bought the Fleet Patrol Escort. That is what to expect.
Desperate for a ladder... I gave up on STO a while ago and just using it for time fill until something else comes along. I even still give them money sometimes. But if I have to replace all my ships and gear to be competitive with other players in PVP I'll find something else to do instead.
All the new levels are purely arbitrary. They are not necessary for anything. T6 ships and Mk XIV gear are there to extract $$ from players, nothing else.
Anybody who thinks there is any chance that the existing assets wont be obsoleted hasnt been paying attention. Look at Vesta and Avenger and Patrol Escort Refit obsoleting most of the other ships in their classes, no consideration or compensation or rebalancing. Look at Patrol Escort Refit rollout and how Cryptic treated customers who had previously bought the Fleet Patrol Escort. That is what to expect.
Exactly. Some people here are living in a fantasy universe. This is what they have done since forever and now they are AMPing it up!
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
In case you're referring to me continuing to post on the forums, every good pessimist has some vain wish he is wrong.
I see you posting so often, you might think its not often... but it seems a little too often, since I think you are here more then me, and I love playing STO and just happen to be out of the loop at the moment since my PSU ate the big one last week. If I were you, instead of fighting an immovable wall, I would do something that makes me happy, it is one thing to speak your unsatisfactory, but, its another to come back day after day expecting change. Just an opinion but I would call it an unrealistic expectation if you have been here for years, and think xyz is going to happen because you will it to. Not trying to hurt your feelings, I just don't see the point.
Guys, it's okay. I for one find the game perfectly enjoyable flying a mirror escort I got for 50k EC, armed with a selection of the millions of mark XI purple items I got as a side effect of the undine rep. You don't need the "best" ship to have fun unless you do PvP. In which case you're a TRIBBLE. :P
Desperate for a ladder... I gave up on STO a while ago and just using it for time fill until something else comes along. I even still give them money sometimes. But if I have to replace all my ships and gear to be competitive with other players in PVP I'll find something else to do instead.
All the new levels are purely arbitrary. They are not necessary for anything. T6 ships and Mk XIV gear are there to extract $$ from players, nothing else.
Anybody who thinks there is any chance that the existing assets wont be obsoleted hasnt been paying attention. Look at Vesta and Avenger and Patrol Escort Refit obsoleting most of the other ships in their classes, no consideration or compensation or rebalancing. Look at Patrol Escort Refit rollout and how Cryptic treated customers who had previously bought the Fleet Patrol Escort. That is what to expect.
You just said the magic word though "If" which is speculation. You are literally working off speculation of a game that is built on code. If you feel that Cryptic is not meeting your specific needs, its time to go, its time to go yesterday. What it seems like to me, its like a person who eats lets say hamburgers at Mcdonalds, and they do nothing but complain about how bad their hamburgers are. Then someone ask you why, and you say because I love hamburgers, but I wish they would serve truffles on their burgers.
To that I say there are plenty of places (companies) that serve hamburgers (Games) and if this is really the last final zone for you as you have found every other gaming company unworthy of your quality & or expectations. I would have to say you probably need a break from games over all for a while. Why do you let the hate fester?
There are tons of games out there that are dirt cheap, and have tons of content. Go have some fun and relax, get immersed in those worlds, and when you come back to take a look, you can be pleasantly unexpectedly surprised, or not.
Question : How did you hear that gear would begin to cost money?
Question : Did you not expect Cryptic to continue sell ships like it has been doing for the last couple of years?
Regarding the previous purchase of the Fleet Patrol Escort, I agree it stinks that it wasn't replaced, but its hardly the whole of STO's existence. That being said, its pretty much a totally different ship, and sold for more fleet modules. Agree or Disagree, if you feel ripped off, whats the point?
Guys, it's okay. I for one find the game perfectly enjoyable flying a mirror escort I got for 50k EC, armed with a selection of the millions of mark XI purple items I got as a side effect of the undine rep. You don't need the "best" ship to have fun unless you do PvP. In which case you're a TRIBBLE. :P
This is the point though for me. It's not like you can't have fun if you don't have the best thing in the game. Hell this game is setup to allow you to buy truly everything for free. I cant count on both hands how many free ships I got in this game via dilithium / events / exchange / winning contest. its almost impossible to be unsuccessful at this game. Pvp is far from necessary, and I maybe have lost 1 out of 100+ pug elite borg events.
If you feel that Cryptic is not meeting your specific needs, its time to go, its time to go yesterday.
Kinda what I said? Your advice is a couple of months late. I'm just here killing time.
Question : Did you not expect Cryptic to continue sell ships like it has been doing for the last couple of years?
They dont need to make wholly arbitrary level changes.
You people keep trying to bargain around the edges of this thing, oh maybe cryptic will give us this little piece, that little thing, when the whole shift is the problem. Its made-up, invented, created out of thin air, does not exist or need to exist.
Kinda what I said? Your advice is a couple of months late. I'm just here killing time.
They dont need to make wholly arbitrary level changes.
You people keep trying to bargain around the edges of this thing, oh maybe cryptic will give us this little piece, that little thing, when the whole shift is the problem. Its made-up, invented, created out of thin air, does not exist or need to exist.
Killing time or inciting paranoia & or spewing vitriol? If you stopped playing... whats the point? Why are you torturing yourself, and why would someone go out of their way to make other persons experiences as miserable and cynical as your own?
Regarding changes : You are not a dev, you do not own anything or invested in anything regarding this game or IP, you don't even effectively know the changes that will take place. It's a cynical theoretical line of hyperbole that comes from a person self described as stopped playing months ago.
Whatever Cryptic does, you seem to not care, and heavily invested in their failure. I feel sorry that your existence on this forum seems to be void of hope. You claim that my positive point of view is that of ignorance and that I am bargaining in the favor of your own assuming hyperbole. I find it all quite absurd and completely lacking in any kind of self control or logic.
No nothing. Everyone will be after the T6 ships. It seems like a waste to me...
What about those lockbox and lobi ships? some of my fleetmates consider these unobtainable, so we helped them aquire them, obviously a t6 ship will be just as unobtainable for these folks, so will the incredibly expensive lockbox ships be outdated junk? or will they be upgraded to t6? or maybe a shipyard dude that could trade your lockbox or lobi ship with a t6 version?
What about those lockbox and lobi ships? some of my fleetmates consider these unobtainable, so we helped them aquire them, obviously a t6 ship will be just as unobtainable for these folks, so will the incredibly expensive lockbox ships be outdated junk? or will they be upgraded to t6? or maybe a shipyard dude that could trade your lockbox or lobi ship with a t6 version?
They are making stuff up drbitey, they know as much as you do. Don't give into the mob mentality.
What about those lockbox and lobi ships? some of my fleetmates consider these unobtainable, so we helped them aquire them, obviously a t6 ship will be just as unobtainable for these folks, so will the incredibly expensive lockbox ships be outdated junk? or will they be upgraded to t6? or maybe a shipyard dude that could trade your lockbox or lobi ship with a t6 version?
Lockbox ships will almost certainly be upgraded to Tier 6 just like they were back when fleet ships were given another console slot and a bit more hull. The master key sales would go down significantly if they didn't. Don't worry.
Guys, it's okay. I for one find the game perfectly enjoyable flying a mirror escort I got for 50k EC, armed with a selection of the millions of mark XI purple items I got as a side effect of the undine rep. You don't need the "best" ship to have fun unless you do PvP. In which case you're a TRIBBLE. :P
Thank you for this post.
Fly what you want to and have fun. People need to quit worrying about this TRIBBLE of "obsolete".
If you love the T5 ships, then you will still be able to play 'em at endgame after the level hike. I'm suspect that players will be able to equip the higher level components, weapons, and consoles, for level sixty endgame stuff, if the current Mk 11 and 12 items don't cut it for them.
I'm more concerned about the new skill tree. Are they going to turn a simple system into a convoluted mechanic, as they did with the duty officer UI and crafting system? I worry more about that than whether or not my Odyssey is going to become a "one-shot wonder" (which it won't).
... even though that's just what they did to those who had mastered the old crafting system. They got nothing in return for their previous time and $$$ investment.
Actually, I got a couple of titles and a blue quality doff who is an Aegis specialist, which was quite nice. Also, in terms of investing time and $$$ into the old system - you were obviously doing it wrong. It took all of 45 mins on defera and memory alpha for me to craft enough consumables to get to 1,650 general research skill on 6 toons, using just the data samples/borg bits that I had accumulated running defera for FMs or doffing for traces. I did not spend a single cent.
I was totally fine with where I started in the new system as I didn't really feel like I had accomplished anything before (incidently that's why it has been revamped). What was nice was getting a free upgrade to all the aegis sets I had created (yes, I did spend purple on those but I still have them and now they are better). What was not nice was the poor exchange ratio for trace particles into rare/v rare new materials, but nobody is perfect...
People need to quit worrying about this TRIBBLE of "obsolete".
Considering that a lot of ppl / fleets put an ungodly amount of time, energy and sometimes cash into finishing their Starbases & Fleet Assets to get those T.5 ships & equipment, I'm just curious as to why so many players seem to just shrug off that monumental effort that took the best fleets about 10 months and the rest over a year .
Some of us are not happy to see a year long grind go down the toilet .
Is that too hard to comprehad?
i predict everything will be as it is now just with us in t6 ships and content we inevitably just facerollkeyboard to play lockboxes will continue.
and anything that is already broken will stay that way anything that isnt will be *Fixed* and we will still for the love of trek stay despite every fiber of our being disliking cryptic.
life will go on and money will flow just enjoy the ride and remember the battle over terradome.
Considering that a lot of ppl / fleets put an ungodly amount of time, energy and sometimes cash into finishing their Starbases & Fleet Assets to get those T.5 ships & equipment, I'm just curious as to why so many players seem to just shrug off that monumental effort that took the best fleets about 10 months and the rest over a year .
Some of us are not happy to see a year long grind go down the toilet .
Is that too hard to comprehad?
Theyre not struggling to comprehend. They just dont care. Theyd rather claim youre over reacting or spreading doom rather then address the actual reasons people are upset.
Didn't they tell us there would be no T6 ships of any kind some time ago? I'm sure I remember them saying it in a podcast or a reply here or something. the idea was along the lines of horizontal progression instead of vertical progression. I'm probably misunderstanding something else said though knowing me.
Considering that a lot of ppl / fleets put an ungodly amount of time, energy and sometimes cash into finishing their Starbases & Fleet Assets to get those T.5 ships & equipment, I'm just curious as to why so many players seem to just shrug off that monumental effort that took the best fleets about 10 months and the rest over a year .
Some of us are not happy to see a year long grind go down the toilet .
Is that too hard to comprehad?
More than that, there are still small fleets grinding away in hopes to unlock the Tier 5 starbase. And I know many of us aren't happy at all that 2 years of hard grinding everyday came to be nothing but a waste of time.
Theyre not struggling to comprehend. They just dont care. Theyd rather claim youre over reacting or spreading doom rather then address the actual reasons people are upset.
we have a winner.
Anyway T6 ships will be like DSD with it's boff switching; their special features and abilities will be built into the ships themselves rather than requiring you to equip consoles. This is why you will really really want one and why the T5/5.5 ships will never be capable of doing what they do.
More than that, there are still small fleets grinding away in hopes to unlock the Tier 5 starbase. And I know many of us aren't happy at all that 2 years of hard grinding everyday came to be nothing but a waste of time.
Im currently in a Fleet that hasnt even broken Tier 3 on the Starbase and hasnt even put a dent in Tier 1 of the other Fleet holdings.
About a week ago I bought a Fleet Starship Module for the upcoming T3 rollover. But had to scrap that and sell the Module on the Exchange. Thankfully the price hasnt dropped too much just yet.
Honestly. Beyond my Fleets Starbase and other Holdings getting their makeovers and being a nice place to RP or hang out with other Fleeties. I cant possibly see why anyone would invest Dil, Fleet Creds/Marks or FSMs into these holdings now that T6 ships will strip Fleets of their relevance.
Didn't they tell us there would be no T6 ships of any kind some time ago? I'm sure I remember them saying it in a podcast or a reply here or something. the idea was along the lines of horizontal progression instead of vertical progression. I'm probably misunderstanding something else said though knowing me.
They did, so you put it in with the no leveling beyond 50, the no Ambassador, and the classic of We are not going f2p files. I think I am missing more we won't do that files but those were on the top of my head.
In all honesty, in any other mmo, top gear sets always are replaced with the addition of new expansions or large game add ons, that is their way of getting players to move on, but in this game we have to pay for it in one way or another, so I am hoping for a one-free per ship upgrade or at least a tier vi upgrade module for 300 to 500 zen if you own the c-store/fleet ship.
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(Fed and KDF concepts had a very Dyson Science Destroyer vibe to them; Rom looked like a rigid/hard-edged cross between a Dhelen and To'duj fighter.)
You have to play the game to see if it fails you.
Do you see me playing? :rolleyes:
Defending The Galaxy By Breaking One Starfleet Regulation After The Next.
All the new levels are purely arbitrary. They are not necessary for anything. T6 ships and Mk XIV gear are there to extract $$ from players, nothing else.
Anybody who thinks there is any chance that the existing assets wont be obsoleted hasnt been paying attention. Look at Vesta and Avenger and Patrol Escort Refit obsoleting most of the other ships in their classes, no consideration or compensation or rebalancing. Look at Patrol Escort Refit rollout and how Cryptic treated customers who had previously bought the Fleet Patrol Escort. That is what to expect.
Exactly. Some people here are living in a fantasy universe. This is what they have done since forever and now they are AMPing it up!
- Judge Aaron Satie
I see you posting so often, you might think its not often... but it seems a little too often, since I think you are here more then me, and I love playing STO and just happen to be out of the loop at the moment since my PSU ate the big one last week. If I were you, instead of fighting an immovable wall, I would do something that makes me happy, it is one thing to speak your unsatisfactory, but, its another to come back day after day expecting change. Just an opinion but I would call it an unrealistic expectation if you have been here for years, and think xyz is going to happen because you will it to. Not trying to hurt your feelings, I just don't see the point.
You just said the magic word though "If" which is speculation. You are literally working off speculation of a game that is built on code. If you feel that Cryptic is not meeting your specific needs, its time to go, its time to go yesterday. What it seems like to me, its like a person who eats lets say hamburgers at Mcdonalds, and they do nothing but complain about how bad their hamburgers are. Then someone ask you why, and you say because I love hamburgers, but I wish they would serve truffles on their burgers.
To that I say there are plenty of places (companies) that serve hamburgers (Games) and if this is really the last final zone for you as you have found every other gaming company unworthy of your quality & or expectations. I would have to say you probably need a break from games over all for a while. Why do you let the hate fester?
There are tons of games out there that are dirt cheap, and have tons of content. Go have some fun and relax, get immersed in those worlds, and when you come back to take a look, you can be pleasantly unexpectedly surprised, or not.
Question : How did you hear that gear would begin to cost money?
Question : Did you not expect Cryptic to continue sell ships like it has been doing for the last couple of years?
Regarding the previous purchase of the Fleet Patrol Escort, I agree it stinks that it wasn't replaced, but its hardly the whole of STO's existence. That being said, its pretty much a totally different ship, and sold for more fleet modules. Agree or Disagree, if you feel ripped off, whats the point?
Just food for thought.
Connies will sell.
Intrepids will sell (more so now that the model is getting a revamp).
Galaxy's will SELL. 'cause people want to play what they saw on screen.
Some of us buy ships for a role. Oh yeah, I said it.
Yes, there is a core group of customers who will buy the biggest and baddest ships, and a few of us who will buy almost anything just to try it.
But for every dude who takes a Scimidar to 75K dps, there are 10 who can't get it over 1.8K.
This is the point though for me. It's not like you can't have fun if you don't have the best thing in the game. Hell this game is setup to allow you to buy truly everything for free. I cant count on both hands how many free ships I got in this game via dilithium / events / exchange / winning contest. its almost impossible to be unsuccessful at this game. Pvp is far from necessary, and I maybe have lost 1 out of 100+ pug elite borg events.
They dont need to make wholly arbitrary level changes.
You people keep trying to bargain around the edges of this thing, oh maybe cryptic will give us this little piece, that little thing, when the whole shift is the problem. Its made-up, invented, created out of thin air, does not exist or need to exist.
rumormongering and scaremongering.. lets get some details first before you decide whats coming.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Killing time or inciting paranoia & or spewing vitriol? If you stopped playing... whats the point? Why are you torturing yourself, and why would someone go out of their way to make other persons experiences as miserable and cynical as your own?
Regarding changes : You are not a dev, you do not own anything or invested in anything regarding this game or IP, you don't even effectively know the changes that will take place. It's a cynical theoretical line of hyperbole that comes from a person self described as stopped playing months ago.
Whatever Cryptic does, you seem to not care, and heavily invested in their failure. I feel sorry that your existence on this forum seems to be void of hope. You claim that my positive point of view is that of ignorance and that I am bargaining in the favor of your own assuming hyperbole. I find it all quite absurd and completely lacking in any kind of self control or logic.
What about those lockbox and lobi ships? some of my fleetmates consider these unobtainable, so we helped them aquire them, obviously a t6 ship will be just as unobtainable for these folks, so will the incredibly expensive lockbox ships be outdated junk? or will they be upgraded to t6? or maybe a shipyard dude that could trade your lockbox or lobi ship with a t6 version?
They are making stuff up drbitey, they know as much as you do. Don't give into the mob mentality.
Lockbox ships will almost certainly be upgraded to Tier 6 just like they were back when fleet ships were given another console slot and a bit more hull. The master key sales would go down significantly if they didn't. Don't worry.
Thank you for this post.
Fly what you want to and have fun. People need to quit worrying about this TRIBBLE of "obsolete".
If you love the T5 ships, then you will still be able to play 'em at endgame after the level hike. I'm suspect that players will be able to equip the higher level components, weapons, and consoles, for level sixty endgame stuff, if the current Mk 11 and 12 items don't cut it for them.
I'm more concerned about the new skill tree. Are they going to turn a simple system into a convoluted mechanic, as they did with the duty officer UI and crafting system? I worry more about that than whether or not my Odyssey is going to become a "one-shot wonder" (which it won't).
Actually, I got a couple of titles and a blue quality doff who is an Aegis specialist, which was quite nice. Also, in terms of investing time and $$$ into the old system - you were obviously doing it wrong. It took all of 45 mins on defera and memory alpha for me to craft enough consumables to get to 1,650 general research skill on 6 toons, using just the data samples/borg bits that I had accumulated running defera for FMs or doffing for traces. I did not spend a single cent.
I was totally fine with where I started in the new system as I didn't really feel like I had accomplished anything before (incidently that's why it has been revamped). What was nice was getting a free upgrade to all the aegis sets I had created (yes, I did spend purple on those but I still have them and now they are better). What was not nice was the poor exchange ratio for trace particles into rare/v rare new materials, but nobody is perfect...
...#LLAP...
Considering that a lot of ppl / fleets put an ungodly amount of time, energy and sometimes cash into finishing their Starbases & Fleet Assets to get those T.5 ships & equipment, I'm just curious as to why so many players seem to just shrug off that monumental effort that took the best fleets about 10 months and the rest over a year .
Some of us are not happy to see a year long grind go down the toilet .
Is that too hard to comprehad?
and anything that is already broken will stay that way anything that isnt will be *Fixed* and we will still for the love of trek stay despite every fiber of our being disliking cryptic.
life will go on and money will flow just enjoy the ride and remember the battle over terradome.
Theyre not struggling to comprehend. They just dont care. Theyd rather claim youre over reacting or spreading doom rather then address the actual reasons people are upset.
More than that, there are still small fleets grinding away in hopes to unlock the Tier 5 starbase. And I know many of us aren't happy at all that 2 years of hard grinding everyday came to be nothing but a waste of time.
we have a winner.
Anyway T6 ships will be like DSD with it's boff switching; their special features and abilities will be built into the ships themselves rather than requiring you to equip consoles. This is why you will really really want one and why the T5/5.5 ships will never be capable of doing what they do.
Im currently in a Fleet that hasnt even broken Tier 3 on the Starbase and hasnt even put a dent in Tier 1 of the other Fleet holdings.
About a week ago I bought a Fleet Starship Module for the upcoming T3 rollover. But had to scrap that and sell the Module on the Exchange. Thankfully the price hasnt dropped too much just yet.
Honestly. Beyond my Fleets Starbase and other Holdings getting their makeovers and being a nice place to RP or hang out with other Fleeties. I cant possibly see why anyone would invest Dil, Fleet Creds/Marks or FSMs into these holdings now that T6 ships will strip Fleets of their relevance.
They did, so you put it in with the no leveling beyond 50, the no Ambassador, and the classic of We are not going f2p files. I think I am missing more we won't do that files but those were on the top of my head.
In all honesty, in any other mmo, top gear sets always are replaced with the addition of new expansions or large game add ons, that is their way of getting players to move on, but in this game we have to pay for it in one way or another, so I am hoping for a one-free per ship upgrade or at least a tier vi upgrade module for 300 to 500 zen if you own the c-store/fleet ship.