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Personal Shields and Kinetic Damage Bugged?
dabelgrave
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Are personal shields supposed to have higher unlisted resists to kinetic damage? Myself and a friend have been comparing various sniper rifles with the TR-116B. An energy weapon does a large amount of damage to the shield, and a very small amount to the health. The TR-116B does very little to the shield, and only a small amount more to the health. This suggests the personal shield is resisting kinetic damage much more than it resists energy damage. Are they supposed to do that?
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Well it would require some good testing, but from my understanding, the rifle only has a 20% shield bypass, so that means the other 80% is roughly absorbed by the PSG for damage.
Where as the standard energy weapon, has little to no innate shield penetration, and thus why the PSG suffers so much damage.
Remember even melee weapons can cause shield damage, as even they only have a 80% shield bypass.
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Shields only stop energy. They shouldn't stop kinetic nearly as well. Why else do melee weapons do so much damage?
This is just a long-range melee weapon. It shouldn't have a piddly 20% penetration value. It also shouldn't ever need remodulation.
I had high hopes for it. Now I'll skip it entirely.
Well, it makes about as much sense, as the change they did to the nano-pulse weapons, by turning them into straight energy melee weapon, hence why the borg can adapt to them. :rolleyes:
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It's not the shield resisting damage. It's just that the new rifle base damage is lower compared to other guns, because of its kinetic type. This seems to be by design.
Normal energy weapons, without any shield penetration traits or mods, have to completely deplete enemy shields before doing armor damage. The new gun allows 20% of the final damage to bypass shields and apply directly to armor first, the rest (80%) being countered by shields, and then any remaining damage to depleted shields applied to armor. I suppose that if you get enough damage buffs, it can become strong enough to deal decent damage to armor before shields.
The real advantage of the new gun seems to be that Borg won't adapt to it rather than its shield penetration mod. I have yet to see how good it is against players, but looking at the numbers, unless you get some insane damage buffs, it won't do much better, if any better at all, than the other good guns out there.
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Stats comparison with fleet and MACO sniper rifles: http://thephoenixdivision.com/forum/download/file.php?id=1220&mode=view
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Knowing cryptics/PWEs copy&paste-programming, thats most likely the case.
Quite enlightening ...
But I digress.
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The MACO battle rifle's only drawback is that you can't have it, the anti-Undine 2-piece bonus to Phaser damage, and Adapted MACO's Blood of the Warrior bonus to all damage running all at the same time.
...Well, that and it's the same damage type as the Adapted MACO pulsewave and Elite phasers, so you need to remodulate a little more frequently when fighting Borg...
don't confuse melee damage and kinetic damage, melee is physical, which is basically kinetic without the built in shield resistance. grenades and this rifle are what deal kinetic damage.
please tell me its to the innate kinetic resistance to shields. ALL shields. space shields mostly, don't care much for this toy gun.
torpedoes and their damage scaling will need to be overhauled as well, but a game were every build is best when it combines energy and kinetic damage, is a star trek game thats being done correctly. i just hope there's not already to many + to torp penetration things built in to make a rebalance like this impossible.
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I have a bad feeling about this becoming the next broken thing in GPvP.
EDIT: it was mentioned somewhere that ground shields also have the same default kinetic resistances (75%) that space shields have. I didn't notice it in my experience, but I haven't directly tested things either. I edited my previous response since now I'm not sure of it and it might be wrong info.
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(perhaps after the "improvement")
You know though, as much effort is needed to craft the TR-116B, it *should* be a reasonable option to Rep rifles. It doesn't have to be superior, nor a copy of one with a different skin. But currently, the difference between the two is literally night and day ... and it's laughably obvious.
Lol.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WPwxgml0Q3A
Data wants broken OP motivation plus an improved tr-116. Just let it shoot through walls even. Gpvp is a complete joke already.
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This.
The TR-116 should just have 80% pen like melee weapons, as currently its very, very underpowered.
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i mean, the sniper shot does what - 260 some damage at base? something like that going completely through shields seems a teeny bit overboard
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Definite borg killer now, with a 100% shield bypass.
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Fixed it for you.
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I don't care about PvP. It's so badly implemented in this game. This is a weapon entirely implemented for PvE. If they up the penetration from the lame-duck 20% it was then it becomes a weapon worth using against the borg (who can have thousands of hitpoints, and over 4000 for an elite tac drone).
I was thinking the same, but from looking at that shot, I think they have the nukara shield bypass ground trait slotted.
Because 20% Pen is ****e. And useless.
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Knowing Cryptic? No.
I'd like to be proven wrong though.
The offender here is the secondary shot, where autofire doesn't apply. (Autofire generally doesn't apply well to PvP in general.)
Tacs can gather a large amount of damage buffs and they can also debuff enemy resistance. This is just theorycrafting but I'm quite positive they can stack enough damage buffs and debuffs to one-shot *most players through full shields, with 50% kinetic res from armor and 100% dodge (50% avoidance).
Roughly, a 200 base damage would need to be enhanced by 1100% to reach 2200 final damage, which would translate to 600 after dodge and resists.
(* Edited)
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