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request to remoddle DS9 for better immersion
yuki109
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I didn't know where to write this so I will just write it here.
I have just finished watching DS9 and after the recent (actually not that recent) remaking of ESD this is a request for the devs to remake DS9 .
I am asking this because although the current in game DS9 is a good representation of DS9 there are some areas of DS9 that aren't accurately shown for example the security office and the prison cells, I think it would be more immersive if you could visit parts of the station that were in the show like this.
another thing I would like to see in DS9 is For quarks to be integrated directly onto the promenade and for one of the Holosuites to be running the Vic fontaine program so players can visit it.
it is these small immersive experiences that make players feel that they are on DS9 and not some other station that just looks like it.
I also think there should be a Transwarp to DS9 feature as DS9 is a station that more TREK fans will relate to rather than ESD.
I don't know if the devs will ever see this but I would really like to see DS9 the way it was in the shows and it seemed like a thing the devs could do before they HOPEFULLY before they add a cardassian faction
I have just finished watching DS9 and after the recent (actually not that recent) remaking of ESD this is a request for the devs to remake DS9 .
I am asking this because although the current in game DS9 is a good representation of DS9 there are some areas of DS9 that aren't accurately shown for example the security office and the prison cells, I think it would be more immersive if you could visit parts of the station that were in the show like this.
another thing I would like to see in DS9 is For quarks to be integrated directly onto the promenade and for one of the Holosuites to be running the Vic fontaine program so players can visit it.
it is these small immersive experiences that make players feel that they are on DS9 and not some other station that just looks like it.
I also think there should be a Transwarp to DS9 feature as DS9 is a station that more TREK fans will relate to rather than ESD.
I don't know if the devs will ever see this but I would really like to see DS9 the way it was in the shows and it seemed like a thing the devs could do before they HOPEFULLY before they add a cardassian faction
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"I rather believe that time is a companion who goes with us on the journey, and reminds us to cherish every moment... because they'll never come again. What we leave behind is not as important as how we lived" Picard to Riker
Tacofangs and others contributed discussion about a transporter room and other locations, as well.
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The general impression i got from that was that the enviroment guys admitted DS9 could be improved, but that they would be unable to commit to such a project at the time, what with the effort put into ESD and Expansion 2
I'd also guess that the environment team would need somebody up top to okay it for work time projects, and remoddeling an entire map in their free time would be a bit beyond the call of duty
DS9 needs some love. Both the location and the series IP.
Quark's should be back in the center of the promenade, that is something we know fits together anyway. However, I'm not really sure how we'd be able to do the holosuites. In the show, the holosuites, and Vic's, were all on separate sound stages, and not directly connected to Quark's (you never saw anyone walk directly from one to the other without a camera cut). So, while Quark's DOES fit inside the Promenade, Vic's wouldn't fit in there too.
At least, not if we want the promenade to be the full 360º that it was supposed to be. However, on the show, all of the Promenade we ever saw, was within about 120º arc of the full circle. So, if we just built that arc, we could make room for holosuites to be directly connected. But we'd also have to cut down on a lof of the potential businesses. (On the show, they just swapped out the same stalls for different things during different episodes).
Also note that the Security Holding Area was never directly attached to Odo's office. We'd have to invent how that worked.
Bajor should not be visible from DS9 (it was never shown on screen with the station, except for the first episode, and in that episode they use the engines to move the station something like 160,000km to the Wormhole.
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To play devil's advocate though...Quark's holosuites always looked pretty tiny when they weren't running a program. Perhaps the "empty" version could be squeezed in somewhere? My research suggests that they should be on the 2nd level, which is problematic since it's adjacent to the Promenade, but perhaps they could be included on the 3rd level, which has nothing else on it.
On the other hand, I'd be fine with closed "holosuite doors" which could be used for Foundry hookups and the like.
The DS9 Technical Manual floor plan is a pretty good layout guideline. It includes ways the holding cells could be connected to the Security Office, as well as the location and rough shape of the rarely-seen surgical unit of the Infirmary. It also has Quark's taking up a little less than half of the central core, so there could be room for expansion in there (including holosuites?). Of course, I have no idea how well that stuff would work when someone tried to build it to scale.
Indeed... I've seen this come up countless of times.. ;o
I've taken the DS9 Technical Manual image you linked, and applied some suggestions of the part that could be constructed (instead of having full 360-degree circle), as well as possibility for future expansion. Where the Technical Manual had names like Florist and Assayer's Office, I've instead applied names like Commodities Vendor and Bank/Mail Access.
Have a look (Tacofangs especially)
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Overall, I like it. I've long supported putting the bank, mail, and exchange into the Assayer's Office (and probably making it a double-sized shop to accommodate the player traffic), but I suspect they'd go the ESD route and scatter mail/bank terminals all over the place in the event of a revamp.
And as I said before, a lot of the "empty" shops could be filled with diplomatic facilities for the Klingons, Romulans, Deferi, and other non-Federation groups.
But why the heck would you want to relocate Captain Kurland to the Promenade? :P
That's not what it says in the image I linked.
I meant that Kurland should be relocated to being in the Commander's Office on the Ops Level, rather than standing out in the center of the Ops Level (where he currently resides) :P
some one who can recite all this when ever the topic comes up is the first person id want in charge of recreating canon locations
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With the above I would also like some away team content that npc's are not just waiting around for me to come kill them lol. Only mission comes close to this in the game so far is the Starbase Incursion lol.
Ah, I gotcha. I agree with that, but I do have a theory as to why he's out in Ops rather than in his office: the devs know every player is going to want the chance to sit in The Chair.
There's no question that Taco knows his stuff, and is dedicated to getting it right if he gets the opportunity.
As Earth's moon has an orbital radius of ~400,000 km and is well visible in our sky, it must have been more than that. The wormhole (DS9 being 1,000 km from its event horizon), is in the Denorios Belt, which, in turn is located between the orbits of Bajor IX and Bajor X. The Bajoran homeworld "Bajor" is Bajor XI (established on various okudagrams in the show), so the station was actually moved CLOSER to the Bajoran sun, across the orbit of Bajor X. As Bajor's planets seem to have stable orbits, I would estimate the station must have been moved several million kilometers closer to the Sol-like Bajoran sun.
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So Bajor shouldn't be seen from DS9.
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That said, it does seem like the Gamma Quadrant is a likely destination for future content. My guess is that in the next few years, as that area is fleshed out, they will probably also redo DS9 in the same way ESD was redone for S9.
My guess is that the Gamma Quadrant material will hook into two places--the Iconian Gateway discovered by Sisko in DS9 (destroyed, but proof of concept), and the Dominion case file on record in the Iconian observation area in the featured episode in S8.5. I can't imagine them inserting that if there weren't some plans for a fleshing out of the story involving the Dominion and Iconians, and probably also the Cardassians, which are perhaps the focus on the next expansion.
Derp. 160,000,000km. (57 mins into Emissary)
Though, as you mention, Bajor orbits its sun. We don't know if the wormhole orbits, or if it's stationary, or what. But presumably, Bajor grows nearer/farther from the wormhole as time goes on. We also don't know at what point in their respective orbits they were when the station was moved. That said, 160,000,000km means that Bajor may be visible from the station, but it would be a tiny dot, just like Venus or Jupiter are when viewed from Earth.
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They've said repeatedly that they will not be addressing that, as they feel that having the station scaled properly causes it to be completely lost/invisible in the massive cluster of player ships, and that it "feels" wrong to the average player.
I know a lot of people have a lot of feelings about that particular issue (myself included), but I think it's safe to say the final decision has been made.
A cop out as usual thou. Since the "sea of ships" could be reduced, by limiting the maximum number of players per map to a lower number than current. Only on extremely rare occasions did we ever see DS9 surrounded by dozens of ships (Way of the Warrior comes to mind). But generally, at most 5-10 ships around the station.
Alternative, what if the devs want us to see many other players in a social zone?
Not to disrespect your opinion, druhin, but your description of the decision as a "cop out" is just that - an opinion.
My own opinion is that there might be an acceptable middle ground - to have the station continue to be "too big," but perhaps a bit closer to its proper size than it currently is.
And as for Social Zone? Please. DS9 (interior, station map) is the Social Zone. Not a whole lot of socializing going on outside the station. If you consider the "RP" in MMORPG, our ships are NOT sentient. Our ships do not speak with each other. Our Captains do :P